MagSafe Charger Only Charges at Full 15W Speeds With Apple's 20W Power Adapter [Updated]

[BeatCrazy]

One of my concerns about portless is that DFU mode may not be possible. When the whole OS is bonkers, including the network stack, today you can put into DFU mode and connect via lightning to a desktop and restore.

The lack of a port on the apple watch is likely why you have to send your watch to Apple just to downgrade watchOS.

I may not have all the terms right, but that is the gist.

Is that a real concern for even 0.05% of the population? I'm sure Apple will have a workaround.

 

[compwiz1202]

Well unless you have an iPhone 12 it’s not going to perform anything like a standard Qi charger and given the cable is 3ft long, I’m not sure how well you will be able to use it while charging

Yes almost seems like you would need a power bank. Where will a plug be that you won't have to sit on the floor to use the device?

Wonder if they will come out with Magsafe wireless power bank pucks with just enough power to charge the device once so they aren't huge. And they could have a dock for a bunch of them to charge on so you can just grab and go.

 

[Bluetoot-]

Wireless charging is still one of the dumbest ideas except for a small number of use cases (Watch, AirPods). Wireless charing makes sense of accessories, not devices IMO. I will never understand this craze.

 

[redbeard20]

If everyone was less impatient, they could see that in the long run as third parties develop more Apple certified MagSafe car charger options, there will be some great chargers that can simultaneously hold your device and charge at max wattage. Up until now this required a special case or putting a magnetic pad on the back of your device which would mar aesthetics, something Apple is loathe to do. Apple didn't want to let this all out in advance and spoil the surprise of MagSafe, so that's why it takes time for third parties to develop. The same was true when Lightning came out, and today there is a vast ecosystem of Lightning accessories. Give it time.

I hope you're right that there will be a magsafe car charger, especially since there are many reports on Reddit from iphone 12 owners saying the phone's magsafe is not strong enough to stick to their car charger's magnets, even without a case.

 

[xener]

Is that a real concern for even 0.05% of the population? I'm sure Apple will have a workaround.

It is probably a lot higher than 0.05% of iPhone users. I have had to DFU restore 3 times or so over 13 years.

I suspect that will find a way to alleviate somewhat the need, but restoring an operating system without a cable is impossible unless you have wifi or bluetooth working on the phone.

The apple watch has a tiny little hidden port in one of the watch band connection areas. I hope that is how they solve for iPhone.

 

[BeatCrazy]

Wireless charging is still one of the dumbest ideas except for a small number of use cases (Watch, AirPods). Wireless charing makes sense of accessories, not devices IMO. I will never understand this craze.

I go months at at time without plugging my iPhone 11 Pro in to charge, and know many others who have the same behavior.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Moto was insane with all those mods things that were insanely expensive

Moto?

They had nothing on the devices that Nokia created. Every conceivable keyboard layout on a phone - Nokia has done it.
They made a Taco phone.
They also made a lipstick phone.!!
Then of course the OG Matrix slider with a smack
First phone with a 'real' browser (or modern browser using WebKit as the engine) which guess what was created in partnership with Apple on the Nokia N80 and made it to the Nokia E62 that Jobs showed and made fun off on WWDC 2007 for the iPhone OG debut.

1) Affected Software

* Nokia Mini Map Browser (S60WebKit <= 21772)

The tested device has the following User-Agent:
Mozilla/5.0 (SymbianOS/9.2;U;Series60/3.1 NokiaE90-1/210.34.75
Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1) AppleWebKit/413 (KHTML)
Safari/413

Note: Although the Nokia Web Browser is built upon a port of the
open source WebKit used by Apple for its browser, the iPhone is not
affected (at least the iPhone firmware version 2.0.2(5C1))

^ factually incorrect on the text that's bold. Unfortunately Nokia has deleted their source page for Nokia Mini Map Browser

A piece of history: https://users.drew.edu/sbradsha/FromIPodsToMySpace/roto-MiniMap-CHI2006.pdf

 

[Billyk711]

You don't have to buy MagSafe, but you have to buy a new USB adapter, which many people don't have, to plug in the included USB-C cable.

Why doesn’t everyone use the cable and plug from last year?

 

[terraphantm]

What's the "significant" trade-off? Let's not say charging. Lots of people still use those 5W bricks, when Qi chargers go just as fast. And MagSafe is now available for those who need "fast charging".

I mean charging is one of those tradeoffs. A direct connection to the same brick that's required for the MagSafe charger is way faster - it's not even close.

Beyond that, data transfer is an issue. Wifi sync is still very flaky. And then device recovery is a big issue. Not everyone lives near an Apple store (and even if you do live near one, it usually takes forever to get through the genius bar). Right now if an update ****s up, I can just plug into my mac/pc and have it up and running in short order. Won't be the case on a portless device. CarPlay is also a big issue for many.

 

[TheSapient]

I go months at at time without plugging my iPhone 11 Pro in to charge, and know many others who have the same behavior.

More than that, I don't even think about my phone's charge. It's 5:30 pm here, and I'm at 93%. Why? Because my phone is constantly getting topped off by the wireless chargers I have in the places I normally set my phone down.

 

[dannyyankou]

Why doesn’t everyone use the cable and plug from last year?

Um because not everyone religiously buys a new iPhone every year or might be buying their first iPhone, or switching from Android? Those cables don't last very long, and if it breaks and I want to use the bundled cable, I have to go out and buy a new USB C adapter.

 

[PickUrPoison]

They could easily sell the bundle at $39 and still have an absurd margin. We're talking maybe $5 worth of materials here. More likely the price would have been $49 as a bundle.

They could also have priced a MagSafe at $79, but that’s beside the point of whether Apple sells them bundled with a power adapter or not.

Apple sells them separately. Are complainers seriously demanding Apple sell them only as a bundle? That’s just weird.

 

[terraphantm]

They could also have priced a MagSafe at $79, but that’s beside the point of whether Apple sells them bundled with a power adapter or not.

Apple sells them separately. Are complainers seriously demanding Apple sell them only as a bundle? That’s just weird.

It's more that they sell them separately for a ridiculous price. It should have been both together for $40 separate for $20 each. Probably should have just been bundled since you can't get the proper speed with anything other than the Apple adapter that came out literally last week.

 

[PickUrPoison]

It's funny because if Apple didn't promote it and give it a well loved and proven name, it would be a minor feature that no one cares about.

But because the iPhone 12 update was such a snore fest, it became a prominent feature, and now a prominent PR nightmare.

PR nightmare? In what world lol? Selling a charger separately from a power adapter is a nothingburger.

 

[PickUrPoison]

It's more that they sell them separately for a ridiculous price. It should have been both together for $40 separate for $20 each. Probably should have just been bundled since you can't get the proper speed with anything other than the Apple adapter that came out literally last week.

MagSafe is a new product, Anker and others will sell compatible adapters soon. If they sell it bundled you’re forced to buy Apple’s, then people would complain about that 🙄

Complaining about price is boring. If it’s too expensive, people don’t have to buy it. $39 for the charger is fine, it could have been $59 or $79. $19 for the adapter is fine too. Wait for a third party if you want it cheaper 🤷‍♂️

 

[PickUrPoison]

Apple's messaging with the charger has been a mess this generation.

What messaging lol? You guys have spun yourselves up about this all by yourselves 🤣

 

[terraphantm]

MagSafe is a new product, Anker and others will sell compatible adapters soon. If they sell it bundled you’re forced to buy Apple’s, then people would complain about that 🙄

Complaining about price is boring. If it’s too expensive, people don’t have to buy it. $39 for the charger is fine, it could have been $59 or $79. $19 for the adapter is fine too. Wait for a third party if you want it cheaper 🤷‍♂️

That's ******** and you know it. Apple could have and should easily made it USB-PD compliant instead of deliberately breaking the standard and forcing you to use their overpriced adapter. If they're going to force you to use their own brick, it should be bundled for free.

Complaining about price is valid. Apple products have always been expensive, but they've never been so transparently greedy as they have been. Even as an AAPL stockholder I'm disgusted with their recent behavior.

 

[The Game 161]

MagSafe is a new product, Anker and others will sell compatible adapters soon. If they sell it bundled you’re forced to buy Apple’s, then people would complain about that

Complaining about price is boring. If it’s too expensive, people don’t have to buy it. $39 for the charger is fine, it could have been $59 or $79. $19 for the adapter is fine too. Wait for a third party if you want it cheaper

I swear people would rather apple charge £58 with the power brick than at £39 and make you buy it separately

 

[boss.king]

I swear people would rather apple charge £58 with the power brick than at £39 and make you buy it separately

I think they'd just rather their charger work with their exisiting power bricks as any sane person would expect. It's crazy that a 60W+ charging brick for a laptop apparently can't correctly power a 15W wireless charger.

 

[PickUrPoison]

That's ******** and you know it. Apple could have and should easily made it USB-PD compliant instead of deliberately breaking the standard and forcing you to use their overpriced adapter. If they're going to force you to use their own brick, it should be bundled for free.

Complaining about price is valid. Apple products have always been expensive, but they've never been so transparently greedy as they have been. Even as an AAPL stockholder I'm disgusted with their recent behavior.

Oh please. Find something else to be offended about. You’re being ridiculous. It’s an optional charger. It’s $39. Get over it.

No one has proved it isn’t USB-PD compliant in the first place, and $19 is cheap anyway.

 

[BigMcGuire]

That's ******** and you know it. Apple could have and should easily made it USB-PD compliant instead of deliberately breaking the standard and forcing you to use their overpriced adapter. If they're going to force you to use their own brick, it should be bundled for free.

Complaining about price is valid. Apple products have always been expensive, but they've never been so transparently greedy as they have been. Even as an AAPL stockholder I'm disgusted with their recent behavior.

No one is forcing you to buy this... And if you were really a stockholder... then you'd be really happy about this... This is a very Apple like move ... how does this not compute?

 

[Zadigre]

Hello everyone... I don’t know if this has been reported by others....

I can get 18-19w charge with a non Apple desktop charger (https://www.imuto.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_28&product_id=69)

this is my iPhone 12 Pro with MagSafe charger powered by this imuto charger I bought 3 years ago.

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[travelsheep]

4. Isn’t the box still wrapped in plastic? Apple still provides you plastic bags to carry their products out. Why not jute or paper? How many millions of products are sold? Run these numbers too.

- Oil is cheaper than trees
- Paper is not just made from "trees" but also from chemicals
- Plastic is needed as fuel to burn garbage in burning facilities (if too little plastic they need to add combustibles)
...

 

[kstotlani]

- Oil is cheaper than trees
- Paper is not just made from "trees" but also from chemicals
- Plastic is needed as fuel to burn garbage in burning facilities (if too little plastic they need to add combustibles)
...

You cannot plant oil.

 

[Dephibio]

That's ******** and you know it. Apple could have and should easily made it USB-PD compliant instead of deliberately breaking the standard and forcing you to use their overpriced adapter. If they're going to force you to use their own brick, it should be bundled for free.

Complaining about price is valid. Apple products have always been expensive, but they've never been so transparently greedy as they have been. Even as an AAPL stockholder I'm disgusted with their recent behavior.

It has been shown twice in this thread that the original video gives false information. Other people were able to get even 18W through 3rd-party charger connected to MagSafe. But the thing is the iPhone starts to throttle when the temp exceeds 39°C.

i did my own test it turn out completely differently. my 3rd party chargers works at 18 watts even.

do take a look!

Hello everyone... I don’t know if this has been reported by others....

I can get 18-19w charge with a non Apple desktop charger (https://www.imuto.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_28&product_id=69)

this is my iPhone 12 Pro with MagSafe charger powered by this imuto charger I bought 3 years ago.

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