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I am just returning MagSafe, as I intended to use with pass through charging on my iPad Pro and for this it does not work, although regular Qi charger, or direct plug in charging cable do. Something that I have not heard mentioned and not on Apple website.
 
I'm sorry, I've tried to love this product, and then I even tried to just like it, but its just absolutely terrible. Apple has effectively ruined wireless charging in their new devices all in the name of keeping things proprietary for them to keep the cash rolling in. Its is such a poorly done product that makes absolutely zero sense outside of Apple screwing over both the consumer, and manufacturers of Qi charging products.

I watched an interesting video on YouTube (SnazzyLabs) who theorized that Apple made MagSafe because they refuse to comply with the EU's new law that states that all manufacturers must now use the same chargers (USB-C). Apple will be forced after this year to make all of their phones with a standard USB-C charging cable. Well that would be a huge loss of income for Apple due to the fact that the lightning cable and 3rd party MFI (Made for iPhone) lightning cables is a billion dollar industry. Apple makes $4 for every single lightning cable sold in the world with the MFI logo on them. That is a massive amount of money lost if they had to comply to this new law in Europe. So to get around this law, they are going to make a portless phone that only charges with Magsafe next year. 3rd party Manufacturers will have to comply to Apple's standards and have the MFI logo put on any MagSafe alternatives to wirelessly charging, which keeps the cash in Apple's hands. I realize this is a business but they are forcing manufacturers to comply to a new standard of wireless charging while also making us as the consumer buy new wireless chargers if we want to get the full benefit out of them.

The other reason I hate Magsafe is that its crippled all of my other wireless chargers. Apple purposely made its new iPhones only capable of charging at a VERY low wattage on standard Qi charging pads. This is obviously done to push people to use MagSafe, or to buy the new wireless chargers that will have the (MFI) logo on them that comply to Apple's new wireless charging standards. My wireless chargers charge my iPhone 12 max so slowly now that its not really worth using them if I need to get a quick charge in.

Outside of those reasons above, I don't like it becuase its the same as using a cable, it heats up your phone way to much, the cord is too short, the cord gets in the way if not pointed directly down, it damages Apple's expensive leather case, and to me its a completely pointless accessory that Apple is shoving on us because they refuse to make a standard USB-C charging cable for their phones.

I'm sorry for the rant but I had to get that ou

I'm sorry, I've tried to love this product, and then I even tried to just like it, but its just absolutely terrible. Apple has effectively ruined wireless charging in their new devices all in the name of keeping things proprietary for them to keep the cash rolling in. Its is such a poorly done product that makes absolutely zero sense outside of Apple screwing over both the consumer, and manufacturers of Qi charging products.

I watched an interesting video on YouTube (SnazzyLabs) who theorized that Apple made MagSafe because they refuse to comply with the EU's new law that states that all manufacturers must now use the same chargers (USB-C). Apple will be forced after this year to make all of their phones with a standard USB-C charging cable. Well that would be a huge loss of income for Apple due to the fact that the lightning cable and 3rd party MFI (Made for iPhone) lightning cables is a billion dollar industry. Apple makes $4 for every single lightning cable sold in the world with the MFI logo on them. That is a massive amount of money lost if they had to comply to this new law in Europe. So to get around this law, they are going to make a portless phone that only charges with Magsafe next year. 3rd party Manufacturers will have to comply to Apple's standards and have the MFI logo put on any MagSafe alternatives to wirelessly charging, which keeps the cash in Apple's hands. I realize this is a business but they are forcing manufacturers to comply to a new standard of wireless charging while also making us as the consumer buy new wireless chargers if we want to get the full benefit out of them.

The other reason I hate Magsafe is that its crippled all of my other wireless chargers. Apple purposely made its new iPhones only capable of charging at a VERY low wattage on standard Qi charging pads. This is obviously done to push people to use MagSafe, or to buy the new wireless chargers that will have the (MFI) logo on them that comply to Apple's new wireless charging standards. My wireless chargers charge my iPhone 12 max so slowly now that its not really worth using them if I need to get a quick charge in.

Outside of those reasons above, I don't like it becuase its the same as using a cable, it heats up your phone way to much, the cord is too short, the cord gets in the way if not pointed directly down, it damages Apple's expensive leather case, and to me its a completely pointless accessory that Apple is shoving on us because they refuse to make a standard USB-C charging cable for their phones.

I'm sorry for the rant but I had to get that out.
And....you neglect to mention one other startling fact. Range. I have bought every single iPhone since the 6 except the XR/S. I have bought and put each one of them in an Amovo wallet, which has a case for the phone that has magnets in the back of it. These magnets allow the case to stick and be removed from the overall wallet. They are strong, and the case mounts nicely on a window/suction magnet in the car for GPS guidance etc while driving. I own several Qi charging devices...the best 2 of which are a mouse pad with a charging spot in the top right, and a stand that this case sits beautifully on with an upright reading angle. The 12 Pro Max moved the coils slightly lower rendering the stand useless, but the mouse pad still works great-THROUGH THE CASE-as always. I brought my 12 Pro Max to the Apple store to try the Magsafe charger ring...not 1 blip of connection of the magnets or commencement of charging. The case would have to come off every time. Soooooo....no Magsafe for me...no thanks.
 
I am just returning MagSafe, as I intended to use with pass through charging on my iPad Pro and for this it does not work, although regular Qi charger, or direct plug in charging cable do. Something that I have not heard mentioned and not on Apple website.
When you say "pass through charging" do you mean plugging the device into your laptop's open USB-C ports? I don't think the MacBooks output enough power this way. If I recall, the 16 inch MacBook Pro can output a max of 15 watts to another device. I could be mistaken as it may be less than that.
 
And....you neglect to mention one other startling fact. Range. I have bought every single iPhone since the 6 except the XR/S. I have bought and put each one of them in an Amovo wallet, which has a case for the phone that has magnets in the back of it. These magnets allow the case to stick and be removed from the overall wallet. They are strong, and the case mounts nicely on a window/suction magnet in the car for GPS guidance etc while driving. I own several Qi charging devices...the best 2 of which are a mouse pad with a charging spot in the top right, and a stand that this case sits beautifully on with an upright reading angle. The 12 Pro Max moved the coils slightly lower rendering the stand useless, but the mouse pad still works great-THROUGH THE CASE-as always. I brought my 12 Pro Max to the Apple store to try the Magsafe charger ring...not 1 blip of connection of the magnets or commencement of charging. The case would have to come off every time. Soooooo....no Magsafe for me...no thanks.
I had a similar situation with my Pixel 4XL and google's pixel stand. The damn thing would not charge my pixel phone when I had my thin TPU case on. I got constant "re-align phone for wireless charging" message on the screen. Take the case off, and it works fine. I think some chargers / phones are more "picky" when it comes to charging at a distance. Obviously for those chargers that still work, the efficiency will go down and heat will increase with distance. My guess is that some manufacturers take a more conservative approach to this, setting thresholds that the thicker cases may not be able to meet. In your shoes, I'd also return the Magsafe.
 
I literally HATE Qi chargers and think they are an idiotic idea with great marketing, because that is NOT "wireless charging" (not claiming MagSafe is, obviously it is not WIRELESS)
I have used nothing but Qi charger since the iPhone X came out. Just lay on charger when not in use and phone is charged when you do want to use, without ever having to worry about plugging in to charge. I have Qi in my home, office and car and my iPhone literally never runs out of charge. Shows we are all different, but Qi works for me perfect!
 
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I'm sorry, I've tried to love this product, and then I even tried to just like it, but its just absolutely terrible. Apple has effectively ruined wireless charging in their new devices all in the name of keeping things proprietary for them to keep the cash rolling in. Its is such a poorly done product that makes absolutely zero sense outside of Apple screwing over both the consumer, and manufacturers of Qi charging products.

I watched an interesting video on YouTube (SnazzyLabs) who theorized that Apple made MagSafe because they refuse to comply with the EU's new law that states that all manufacturers must now use the same chargers (USB-C). Apple will be forced after this year to make all of their phones with a standard USB-C charging cable. Well that would be a huge loss of income for Apple due to the fact that the lightning cable and 3rd party MFI (Made for iPhone) lightning cables is a billion dollar industry. Apple makes $4 for every single lightning cable sold in the world with the MFI logo on them. That is a massive amount of money lost if they had to comply to this new law in Europe. So to get around this law, they are going to make a portless phone that only charges with Magsafe next year. 3rd party Manufacturers will have to comply to Apple's standards and have the MFI logo put on any MagSafe alternatives to wirelessly charging, which keeps the cash in Apple's hands. I realize this is a business but they are forcing manufacturers to comply to a new standard of wireless charging while also making us as the consumer buy new wireless chargers if we want to get the full benefit out of them.

The other reason I hate Magsafe is that its crippled all of my other wireless chargers. Apple purposely made its new iPhones only capable of charging at a VERY low wattage on standard Qi charging pads. This is obviously done to push people to use MagSafe, or to buy the new wireless chargers that will have the (MFI) logo on them that comply to Apple's new wireless charging standards. My wireless chargers charge my iPhone 12 max so slowly now that its not really worth using them if I need to get a quick charge in.

Outside of those reasons above, I don't like it becuase its the same as using a cable, it heats up your phone way to much, the cord is too short, the cord gets in the way if not pointed directly down, it damages Apple's expensive leather case, and to me its a completely pointless accessory that Apple is shoving on us because they refuse to make a standard USB-C charging cable for their phones.

I'm sorry for the rant but I had to get that out.
As soon as I got to "I've tried to love this product..." I knew it was going to be an emotionally subjective argument over an objective one, but I read on.

it costs me about $750 a year to stay up with Apple cell phone tech, and I do this full well knowing that Apple does not care about its users, it cares about its profits, and all businesses have to walk that spectrum. A fully satisfied customer often tears at the financial successes of the companies that serve them, but those satisfied customers also come back.
To me Apple and a few others buck the trend. Apple's loyalists/cultist are going to buy the product because they are true believers. I buy them because I want a unified platform, which should lend to simplification as time goes on.

This year has been a tough one for me to upgrade too (M1). I know all of the M1 upgrades are at the bottom of the performance pond for what is to come next year, and as a tech forward guy, if I buy M1 this year, I know I'll be drawn to upgrade again next year.

I have the luxury of not having a need for Magsafe, and since I don't (my wife does) have an iPad, I don't have the need for USB-C no matter how much I prefer it.

Now for a couple facts - Apple uses both Lightning and USB-C. Apple has a very Chinese centrist view of customer service (build only to the highest level of quality needed, insure the product has a short life-cycle - life-cycle is subject but can be made objective over time). Apple is focused on keeping all revenues in house. Apple has long preached a "simplified user experience," but as time goes by and NeXT/BSD/OSX continue to bloat, the OS becomes less simple. Apple does not view themselves as 'in competition' with other personal or business computer makers (there has never been anything like Apple?), as such they don't make cell phones to compete with other brands, and don't use the same hardware matrices, or performance comparisons (only with previous Apple products until this year). This year you hear a lot of "faster than the fastest Intel computers,) whose, yours or HP, DELL, Lenovo, et al? Some will love Magsafe, and others will hate it, and often the reasons will be the same producing opposed emotional responses.

The wall that Apple has built between itself and it's users has a once way door, if you enter you are largely trapped until and if you reach the point of frustration. If you do, you are back with some Android or mixed solution (Windows, Android, Chrome). There is not now, nor will there ever be a winner except Apple.
 
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Link to the EU resolution is below.

All I see is that they wish the charger (that plugs into the wall) to standardize on USBC. I can find no requirement about device or phone port type. Thus USBC to Lightning cable would meet the charger requirement.

Maybe I'm misreading it, or maybe there's a different resolution?

Because it seems a lot of the internet misunderstood that resolution, resulting in completely false premises such as what you outline above.

So if you could point to the source document(s) showing that phone ports must standardize, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks!

Look at this page:

Note the feedback from Apple:
"Regulations that would drive conformity across the type of connector built into all smartphones freeze innovation rather than encourage it."

Note the Document "Inception impact assessment - Ares(2018)6473169":
"The main scope of the Memorandum of Understanding was to guarantee interoperability between chargers and
mobile phones on the market, therefore reducing the need to buy or exchange continuously chargers AND CABLES" (my capitalisation)
The rest of the document makes quite clear that the initiative is for the standardisation of all chargers and phone connectors.
 
MagSafe is terrible (good idea but bad implementation so far). It’s definitely not the worst Apple product ever though.

For me it’s just made me appreciate my Qi wireless charger more than ever.
 
"The main scope of the Memorandum of Understanding was to guarantee interoperability between chargers and
mobile phones on the market, therefore reducing the need to buy or exchange continuously chargers AND CABLES" (my capitalisation)
Well, Apple did a good job in reducing the number of chargers produced this year, didn't they?
 
I'm fully embracing MagSafe. I have an Apple silicone MagSafe case coming tomorrow. I'm eyeing this for my home office. I'm interested in a future MagSafe dash mount for my car.
Completely unrelated to the content of this thread but I’m so used to people erroneously writing “Apple Silicone” when referring to Apple Silicon that it completely threw me for a loop for a second when you wrote about a legitimate Apple silicone product.
 
Irritated that ALL my current Anker and Samsung wireless chargers, which worked flawlessly with every previous generation of wireless charge capable iphone. Will absolutely not work with the wife and I’s new 12pm’s. Magsafe wont work through any case that offers real protection(otter defender pro for us). Sooo, back to wired charging until they take the port from us.. oh well, better for the battery anyway I suppose.
my anker wireless charger works with my 12pm even with a 3rd party nonmagnetized case.
 
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I read the EU regulation and for a transitional period Apple would only have to include a USB-C adapter in the package, not necessarily a phone with USB-C/Thunderbolt ports. So your argument is moot.
 
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Have fun degrading the hell out of your battery using this. It'll be at 90% in a year vs like 98% with the cable.
 
MagSafe is terrible (good idea but bad implementation so far). It’s definitely not the worst Apple product ever though.

For me it’s just made me appreciate my Qi wireless charger more than ever.
I'm genuinely curious, what aspects of old-fashioned QI chargers do you like better than the Magsafe charger? I get the "puck" form-factor is sub-optimal for some use cases, but I'm sure in 3 months time there will be a plethora of form-factors on the market.

I use a QI charging stand (pictured upthread) to keep my phone charged while I work, and also angled towards me so I can quickly see notifications. I like the stand form-factor more than the puck, but from a QI charging standpoint, the Magsafe is just QI + magnets... so not sure what is so bad about the technology. Do you not like the current puck? Or is it something else?


Have fun degrading the hell out of your battery using this. It'll be at 90% in a year vs like 98% with the cable.
That may be. For me, I upgrade every 1-2 years. If somehow I find self-control this time and keep the phone for 2+ years, I'll just pay to replace the battery. If I was really intending to keep my phone 3,4,5 years... then I'd probably take a more conservative approach to charging and jump through more hoops. I'd rather just not obsess about battery health and just use my phone. For now, the convenience factor is worth $79 battery replacement cost over 2 years, to ME.

God I miss user-replaceable batteries.
 
Look at this page:

Note the feedback from Apple:
"Regulations that would drive conformity across the type of connector built into all smartphones freeze innovation rather than encourage it."

Note the Document "Inception impact assessment - Ares(2018)6473169":
"The main scope of the Memorandum of Understanding was to guarantee interoperability between chargers and
mobile phones on the market, therefore reducing the need to buy or exchange continuously chargers AND CABLES" (my capitalisation)
The rest of the document makes quite clear that the initiative is for the standardisation of all chargers and phone connectors.
Yet that appears to be a 2018/2019 impact assessment & feedback that was performed prior to the 2020 resolution I cited. I'm pretty sure Resolutions supersede impact assessments / feedback solicitations?

Was there a later Resolution than what I posted? EU doings don't exactly top the news cycle over here.

BTW the paragraph prior to the part you quoted states that the quoted text references the 2009 Memorandum of Understanding and not something recent... From the referenced Inception impact assessment - Ares(2018)6473169 English document:


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Good luck not getting in an accident everytime the phones comes of the mount in the car and searching for it.

I'm more worried about the hospital needing to remove an iPhone firmly implanted in my skull after it tomahawks off the magnetic charger and ping-ponds around the car during a car accident.

My primary criteria of a phone holder in a car is that it grips the phone firmly enough that I am fairly sure it won't come loose during an average car accident.
 
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I'm more worried about the hospital needing to remove an iPhone firmly implanted in my skull after it tomahawks off the magnetic charger and ping-ponds around the car during a car accident.

My primary criteria of a phone holder in a car is that it grips the phone firmly enough that I am fairly sure it won't come loose during an average car accident.
just my opinion, but I don't think any common phone mount will hold tight in any accident severe enough to cause a phone-impact injury.
 
I think the OP needs to consider the possibility that we all have different lives and differing needs and expectations. I personally love the convenience of using MagSafe in my car. I have it stuck in place under the armrest where the phone sits quite securely.
Magsafe works extremely well in certain circumstances, but there's no reason to throw out all of you existing charging solutions to replace them all right now. If the product doesn't suit your needs, don't buy it, but don't pretend that makes it a bad product!
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just my opinion, but I don't think any common phone mount will hold tight in any accident severe enough to cause a phone-impact injury.
I mean, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek with the mention of an iPhone being lodged in someone's brain. But even in a relatively minor accident, a brick of glass and metal hurling through the car can cause some serious pain.

Thus, I think mounts should be physically connected to the car in a way that won't pop-off. I use the ProClip mounting base, and to that I attached with screws a QI charger that grips the phone from 3 sides; not just with tension, the grips actually bond over the front of the phone slightly, so it cannot get loose unless the plastic grips break.

I obviously haven't tested it, but it feels very solid. I'd wager it wouldn't go anywhere in a 30mph accident. After that, all bets of off anyway.
 
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