Gonna keep piling on with my discontent - wife and I both received 12 Pro Max's last week. I have Quadlock, she has a standard hardshell case. Wireless charging does not work on any of our 5 wireless charges with either phone in a case (they all work with the phones naked, I don't know at what rate). We're both using the same case brands we did previously. It's an Apple change, not a case change. They've hosed us (well, at least my family) out of $200 worth of wireless chargers, AND the ability to use the cases we purchased if we did want to blow cash on magsafe. This is the first true "F you, Apple" moment I've had in a decade.
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MagSafe is the worst thing Apple has made maybe ever
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My point is that the definition of a "common" or "standard" charger, has always been an end to end device comprising the actual charger and the cable at the phone end. Throughout all of the documents I have read, including the one you have referenced, I have only found references that point to the correctness of my assumption and none to disprove it.
Of course I accept that I could be wrong, but not on the basis of an opinion.
It seems quite obvious to me that standardisation of charging has to be end to end.
MagSafe isn't for you. So get a 20W adapter and stop whining. Or return your 12 and get an 11. You don't have to use every feature that Apple gives you. There's something that measures the length of tables in my iPhone. I've never used it. I'm not crying about it.
Further to my previous reply, I have found the Commission response document to the text adopted, that you have referenced.
This can be found via this link, at the bottom under "Documentation Gateway", the "Commission response to text adopted in plenary" was published on 8/5/2020 and is the latest document so far regarding this matter.
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In this document they reference an impact study published in January 2020, where it is clearly stated that the standardisation extends to the plug at the device end.
https://op.europa.eu/en/web/eu-law-...lication/c6fadfea-4641-11ea-b81b-01aa75ed71a1
1. Too expensive and slow (I plug in when I need a fast charge)
2. Generates too much heat
3. Qi charger stays on the table when I take my phone off. I personally hate this design decision
4. Doesn’t leave marks on my leather case
The magsafe doesn’t solve any current problems that I have. I don’t have an issue aligning my phone on my nightstand or my car. Qi just works for me.
This insistence of apple to live with Lightening is just dumb. My new MBP is all USB C, so is my iPad Pro but no my iPhone has to be lightening... DUMB. Just make the iPhone USBC so we can remove one extra cable from our bags.
Points out that the use of wireless charging technology entails additional potential benefits such as mitigating e-waste; highlights that many mobile telephones already use wireless charging methods and that fragmentation in this area should be avoided; calls, therefore, on the Commission to take measures to best ensure the interoperability of different wireless chargers with different mobile radio equipment;Further to my previous reply, I have found the Commission response document to the text adopted, that you have referenced.
This can be found via this link, at the bottom under "Documentation Gateway", the "Commission response to text adopted in plenary" was published on 8/5/2020 and is the latest document so far regarding this matter.
Procedure File: 2019/2983(RSP) | Legislative Observatory | European Parliament
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In this document they reference an impact study published in January 2020, where it is clearly stated that the standardisation extends to the plug at the device end.
https://op.europa.eu/en/web/eu-law-...lication/c6fadfea-4641-11ea-b81b-01aa75ed71a1
That’s how they’ll stop Apple from using a proprietary wireless charging method.
But Magsafe equipped iPhones can still be charged with standard wireless chargers.
magsave is a JOKE! How can they make something THEN FIND OUT IT LEAVES MARKS on the already high priced products! like WWWTTTFFFF such idiots over there! steve jobs is ROLLING in his ****ing grave! smfh
Numbers. you keep saying 'slower' without saying how much slower. I don't notice any speed difference with the handful of wireless charges I own (nomad etc) and my iPhone 12 max pro. Not saying this isn't a problem for some chargers, but its not for the ones I use. Shrugs.
Thanks for mentioning this. I have a 2015MBP which is the last generation with Magsafe and I also have a 2018MBP that Uses USB-C. Magsafe and me 2015 has saved my butt many many times over, there were several times something caught the cord on my 2018MBP and the unit went flying off the table. Also having USB-C on the MPB doesn't mean you can use any charger to charge it so it defeats the purpose of universal compatibility.
Alignment a pain in the butt with anything that's not a stand that use the stand as a guide for alignment. I bought a wireless charging batter pack from Anker aligning the circular pad on the battery with the charging pad on my iPhone is slow and defeats the point of wireless charging.
What utter nonsense. Haven’t you ever used a Siri Remote, or any mouse Apple have ever made?
MagSafe is better than other wireless charging because it gets rid of the alignment issue that makes other wireless chargers a pain in the arse to use. Like other wireless chargers, it really has no benefit I can see over wired charging with a lightning dock, but given that MagSafe doesn’t stop you using any other option the complaint makes no sense.
MagSafe is better than other wireless charging because it gets rid of the alignment issue that makes other wireless chargers a pain in the arse to use. Like other wireless chargers, it really has no benefit I can see over wired charging with a lightning dock, but given that MagSafe doesn’t stop you using any other option the complaint makes no sense.
And...how are we supposed to use Apple CarPlay with no port on the phone? Some cars allow CarPlay via Bluetooth but many require a wired connection.
I have both MagSafe and other QI chargers. The QI chargers don't work any differently now compared to before. MagSafe just offers another option, which I suppose is paving the way for the replacement of Lightning.
Faster wireless charging is a double-edged sword. If it comes at the cost of excessive heat, that damages long-term battery health. iPhones are used much longer than most other phones, so screwing up the batteries will be a real concern in the long term. It's a real trade-off that has to be managed. If you have decent battery life on a devices, the number of instances where a 'quick charge' is needed become fewer. 50% battery (equal to half a day of use) from 30 minutes charge is good enough, IMHO.
Completely agree. I think the problem is people are conflating two very different issues because Apple stuck a trademarked name on their QI chargers.
- Wireless Charging sucks compared to wired charging. I don't think ANYONE refutes the fact that wired charging is:
- Faster
- More efficient
- Safer for the battery
- More common
- Cheaper
- If you are someone who LIKES wireless charging, then MagSafe offers you optionality.
- If you like old fashioned QI chargers, you can keep using them as you always have.
- If you had issues with QI chargers due to alignment (like me), then the simple addition of magnets solves that issue
- The magnets and puck design allow for two types of usage:
- You can pick up the phone to check texts etc, without having to do the alignment dance again. This beats QI chargers IMO.
- If you want the puck to stay put (like traditional chargers) you can:
- Tape the damn thing down
- Wait for weighted Magsafe accessories from 3rd parties.
- Get one of the plethora of "holders" that I'm sure will be out shortly where you'll be able to insert the Magsafe puck into a weighted base of some sort.
For those who DO like QI charging...little has changed. ALL of my existing QI chargers still work, and the ones I can test with USB-C tester are performing at the exact same 7.5 rate they did with previous iPhones. I get that there are some existing chargers that don't work due to a variety of reasons, which I guess is a legitimate complaint, but also is the REASON the magnets are so vital. There is a severe lack of standardization as to where exactly on the phone vs charger the coils are, hence why the "better" chargers often have 3-5 sets of coils. At least for iPhone, the magnets in Magsafe will drive standardization of accessories...even ones that charge at the old 7.5w rate.
Yes and when the iPhone is portless there will be a official one that works.
That's fine but when the cost of your iPhone goes up don't complain. If Lightning goes away and that cash cow for Apple goes away, the revenue has to get made up elsewhere.
Lightning isn't "dumb". It's smart. It makes Apple money instead of the USB-C consortium which means better R&D and superior products for Apple consumers. What, you think benevolence is what built Apple Park and put all the best minds in the industry in there? Money. That's what gives Apple the advantage over their competitors. The money to buy talent. The money to do extensive R&D.
You'll take whatever proprietary charging/data solution Apple gives you and you'll like it. If you want a cheap phone made by less passionate companies, go buy an Android, there are dozens of them.
But just think how much power the M1 saves in, say, a MacBook Air, compared against the Intel version!
Swings and roundabouts.
Millions of iPhones with wireless charging only will lead to energy waste.
debugger.medium.com
Wireless Charging Is a Disaster Waiting to Happen
We crunched the numbers on just how inefficient wireless charging is — and the results are pretty shocking
debugger.medium.com
Nearly every phone made in the last decade has had wireless charging. Apple adds a ring of magnets around said wireless chargers and all of a sudden it's the end of the world?Millions of iPhones with wireless charging only will lead to energy waste.
Wireless Charging Is a Disaster Waiting to Happen
We crunched the numbers on just how inefficient wireless charging is — and the results are pretty shocking
I agree that wireless charging is wasteful, but we all know why these articles come out now. They are riding the hype-wave to get clicks.
With a dongle, one would assume, like in any number of situations where wireless peripherals are connected to computers that don’t have the right radio built in, eg controllers, headphones, even some mice and keyboards with bespoke connectors.