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Major gaming news at WWDC: Metal and New games
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3 decades later and Linux on the desktop is still... a running joke. 😂
True, but that's a new reality we have to get used to. If Apple invests in exclusive games on MAS it's only natural they don't want to share the profit with Steam, just like Epic and their exclusive deals. We'll see if these exclusive titles are time limited or will stay on MAS forever. For Apple it's a win-win deal since they will get 30% of the earnings.
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I hope they're timed exclusives and RE8 will come to Steam in time. Would be annoying if it were on the MAS forever 
Not entirely. Only if the Mac user base would decline or remain unchanged but it still would be a good sign if the numbers increased.
I hope they're timed exclusives and RE8 will come to Steam in time. Would be annoying if it were on the MAS forever
I hope so otherwise it would be a very expensive deal for Apple since Steam and Epic are popular stores but I wouldn't be surprised if we never would see MAS exclusive titles anywhere else.
macOS % has fluctuated around where it is now for a really long time. Sadly Steam doesn't seem to retain prior months/years stats for review. I'm hoping macOS can hit 3% but we seem to flirt where we are now.
I can offer from October 2020 to now, for Mac, Win, Linux and Combined, or something more comprehensive.
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An interview with senior Apple execs about gaming, among other things:
“With Capcom bringing Resident Evil across, and other titles starting to come along, I think the AAA community is starting to wake up and understand the opportunity. Because what we have now, with our portfolio of M-series Macs, is a set of incredibly performant machines and a growing audience of people who have these incredibly performant systems that can all be addressed with a single code base that is developing over time."
"And we’re adding new APIs in and expanding Metal in Metal 3, etc. And then if you think about the ability to extend that down into iPad, and iPhone as well, I think there’s tremendous opportunity."
"The story starts many years ago, when we were imagining this transition. Gamers are a serious bunch. And I don’t think we’re going to fool anybody by saying that overnight we’re going to make Mac a great gaming platform. We’re going to take a long view on this.”
"We weren’t going to design GPUs for that space that were unnecessarily complicated, that had features that were not relevant to iOS, but as we looked at the Mac, we realized that this is a different beast. There will be different expectations over time — let’s make sure we have our toolbox complete. And so we did very directed work to make sure that the GPU toolbox was there — working super closely with our Metal partners. We worked hand in hand to make sure that they were going to have all the tools that they needed to accelerate the important APIs that we’re going to deliver to [companies like] Capcom, for example. So that when Capcom approached us, it wasn’t going to be this awkward port for them. It was going to be a very natural ‘Ah, you do support these modern APIs that gamers are needing. This is interesting.’”
"My team spends a lot of time thinking about how to make sure that we’re staying on that API curve to make sure that we’re giving Metal what it needs to be a modern gaming API. We know this will take some time. But we’re not at all confused about the opportunity; we see it. And we’re going to make sure we show up.”
"The other thing we wanted to do, and I think we have hopefully done, is to seed the Mac, the full Mac lineup, with very capable GPUs, whether it be the MacBook Air, obviously, all the way up to the beast, Ultra chips that we can put in our Mac Studio. Because until you do that, until you have a population distributed, developers are going to be wary about making a big investment and kind of focus on Mac.”
"Game developers have never seen 96 gigabytes of graphics memory available to them now, on the M2 Max. I think they’re trying to get their heads around it, because the possibilities are unusual. They’re used to working in much smaller footprints of video memory. So I think that’s another place where we’re going to have an interesting opportunity to inspire developers to go beyond what they’ve been able to do before.”
“With Capcom bringing Resident Evil across, and other titles starting to come along, I think the AAA community is starting to wake up and understand the opportunity. Because what we have now, with our portfolio of M-series Macs, is a set of incredibly performant machines and a growing audience of people who have these incredibly performant systems that can all be addressed with a single code base that is developing over time."
"And we’re adding new APIs in and expanding Metal in Metal 3, etc. And then if you think about the ability to extend that down into iPad, and iPhone as well, I think there’s tremendous opportunity."
"The story starts many years ago, when we were imagining this transition. Gamers are a serious bunch. And I don’t think we’re going to fool anybody by saying that overnight we’re going to make Mac a great gaming platform. We’re going to take a long view on this.”
"We weren’t going to design GPUs for that space that were unnecessarily complicated, that had features that were not relevant to iOS, but as we looked at the Mac, we realized that this is a different beast. There will be different expectations over time — let’s make sure we have our toolbox complete. And so we did very directed work to make sure that the GPU toolbox was there — working super closely with our Metal partners. We worked hand in hand to make sure that they were going to have all the tools that they needed to accelerate the important APIs that we’re going to deliver to [companies like] Capcom, for example. So that when Capcom approached us, it wasn’t going to be this awkward port for them. It was going to be a very natural ‘Ah, you do support these modern APIs that gamers are needing. This is interesting.’”
"My team spends a lot of time thinking about how to make sure that we’re staying on that API curve to make sure that we’re giving Metal what it needs to be a modern gaming API. We know this will take some time. But we’re not at all confused about the opportunity; we see it. And we’re going to make sure we show up.”
"The other thing we wanted to do, and I think we have hopefully done, is to seed the Mac, the full Mac lineup, with very capable GPUs, whether it be the MacBook Air, obviously, all the way up to the beast, Ultra chips that we can put in our Mac Studio. Because until you do that, until you have a population distributed, developers are going to be wary about making a big investment and kind of focus on Mac.”
"Game developers have never seen 96 gigabytes of graphics memory available to them now, on the M2 Max. I think they’re trying to get their heads around it, because the possibilities are unusual. They’re used to working in much smaller footprints of video memory. So I think that’s another place where we’re going to have an interesting opportunity to inspire developers to go beyond what they’ve been able to do before.”
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Capcom approached Apple? That is an interesting tidbit, I would have figured Apple approached them (with some money, lol).
I wonder if Capcom will approach further. I want to play Street Fighter on my Mac 👀
Dunno, if not I guess that’s just another thing Capcom approaching them could achieve ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They are talking the other way around; if latency is too big on macOS for fast fighting games.
Yeah Modern SF games are very input latency sensitive. It is what allows you to potentially interrupt your opponent beating on you.
Heck games like Guilty Gear (really any fighting game by Arc System Works) are also very input latency sensitive.
If there wasn't an issue with input latency (I guess you could call it lag) it seems odd that there are tips and tricks on how to improve it... 🤷♂️
The OS can parse and redistribute input in different ways, and there can be room for plenty of optimizations depending on how Apple implements things. Remember we are talking in miliseconds.
I don't see anything in this video suggesting that there is an OS-level issue with input latency. Can you point to a relevant part?
Yeah nothing suggests that macOS has an input latency problem as an OS level issue. You are correct there. It was meant as a general question for fighting games where that kind of thing is important. I have SF4 and SF5 but don’t have crossover to see how they play on macOS.
How would you quantify just how important the issue of input latency is on Mac-compatible online competitive twitch games (aka CS:GO, Fortnite etc) vs an offline-only fighting game like Street Fighter?