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Major gaming news at WWDC: Metal and New games
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Have to tried using either? Vulkan requires you to write pages and pages of convoluted boilerplate just to do the most basic stuff. I mean, performing the most fundamental of operations like creating a texture or binding resources to a shader need a dozen or two API calls, juggling multiple objects, and copying data back and forth.
Which features would those be?
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Steam now, Mac App Store later.
No Man's Sky launches for Mac today
Exploratory space sim No Man's Sky continues its slow march to out-Doom Doom - by being on every conceivable electronic…
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Well for starters Vulkan is open source, so you can squeeze a lot more potential out of it. Metal is not, you are at the mercy of what Apple adds to it and you will like it. It's why MoltenVK is not the be all end all solution to making Mac ports like people think it is, as all it does is translate Vulkan to Metal, but you're still at the mercy of Metal's limitations.
Vulkan is easily crossplatform across not just Windows, but Linux, and game consoles. Metal is limited to just Mac and iOS. OpenGL was crossplatform which made Mac ports a lot easier, but since Apple killed OpenGL in 2018, that makes things even more needlessly complicated
Vulkan offers a lot higher performance than Metal does. Metal holds your hand a lot while Vulkan leaves you responsible for everything. If you're a smaller fledgling developer you might prefer Metal, but if you're a lot more experienced than there's only so far Metal can take you, and if you want to go farther in pushing graphical fidelity well TOUGH
Metal 3 was a big step in the right direction, especially since it added upscaling technology as Apple's answer to DLSS and FSR, but it is still leagues behind Vulkan. Metal works perfectly for iOS and iPadOS, but on a Mac where you have a lot more power to work with and aren't limited to a small form factor, then Metal is severely limiting.
Vulkan is not open source. It's a specification developed by the committee, with a bunch of optional extension for advanced functionality. Sure, with Metal you are at the mercy of how Apple wants to do things, but with Vulkan you are at the mercy of the committee AND the driver implementors. Not to mention that Vulkan needs to target a wide class of hardware, which means making compromises.
A simple example: Vulkan has raytracing and mesh shaders as optional extensions, but they are implemented on only 3-4% devices according to the gpuinfo database. With Metal, you have them on all recent Macs.
Oh boy. OpenGL was notoriously different to debug and optimise. You had to test and optimise separately for bunch of different platforms and drivers if you wanted good performance. It's probably easier to port a mid-complexity game from DX12 to Metal than to write an OpenGL version that runs decently on all platforms.
This is simply not true.
This is also not true. Yes, Metal holds your hand. But you can tell it not to hold your hand and do the low-level memory and synchronisation management yourself. Vulkan simply doesn't give you any choice. Need to allocate a bunch of simple images on a non-performance-critical path? Good luck with your low-level allocations and DMA transfer setup. I mean, even C has malloc().
I would be curious to hear a concrete reason why you think Metal is limiting or what features Metal lacks. So far you have been speaking in very vague terms. If this is about low-level control, well, Metal has had it for a while.
In fact, I can probably give you at least half a dozen features that Metal has and Vulkan doesn't. Although I admit that I am not up to date with the latest Vulkan extensions.
No Man's Sky just dropped for Mac on Steam. Mac App Store version to come soon.
Thank god it's not exclusive like RE Village was. The Mac App Store is so garbage lmao
Good thing they didn't force you to pay a higher price on Mac app store since you can get Steam key from official sources for ~$23.
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No Man's Sky launches for Mac today
Exploratory space sim No Man's Sky continues its slow march to out-Doom Doom - by being on every conceivable electronic…
Steam now, Mac App Store later.
A bit surprising they released it now but they have another "surprise" to show on Monday.
The Steam release is great. Free access for previous owners and free update to Mac with Crossplay and Crosssave. Someone wrote their PC saves work all fine on Mac.
I wonder if it is the iOS version (not saying the VR version isn't coming).A bit surprising they released it now but they have another "surprise" to show on Monday.
The Steam release is great. Free access for previous owners and free update to Mac with Crossplay and Crosssave. Someone wrote their PC saves work all fine on Mac.
Looks like VR is already there for Mac as well. Support for Intel Macs too. They've done lots of work.
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That is weird, as in it already supports VR on PC, does that flag not show up on macOS if the game does support VR on the PC version?
Post-apocalyptic cat platformer ‘Stray’ coming for Apple silicon Macs - 9to5Mac
The Mac game train continues onward. Just one year after the announcement, No Man’s Sky dropped on the Mac this...
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interesting few weeks.
Okay uhh, we got breaking news
Last year's best indie game Stray is getting a Mac port
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Maybe Homy is onto something. Maybe Apple actually is serious about making Mac gaming a thing.
Last year's best indie game Stray is getting a Mac port
Hit cat game 'Stray' is coming to Macs
Feline-focused cyberpunk adventure ‘Stray’ is officially coming to Mac. The critically-acclaimed title will be available for all Apple silicon models, from the most powerful Mac Studio desktops to standard Macbook Air laptops. This release is only for silicon models, however, so older...
Maybe Homy is onto something. Maybe Apple actually is serious about making Mac gaming a thing.
Well, the screenshot shows that the games supports macOS and VR, not necessary both at the same time.
As I said, they went on a shopping spree again. Not just games.
They do have the money after all.
Also this:
https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/mj...tion-crossover-macs-directx-12-support-update
As I said, they went on a shopping spree again. Not just games.
They do have the money after all.
Also this:
https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/mj...tion-crossover-macs-directx-12-support-update
Oh my god...
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I’d be interested in any info on the shopping spree. Some evidence if possible, thanks. I know they’ve given direct dev supportAs I said, they went on a shopping spree again. Not just games.
They do have the money after all.
Also this:
https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/mj...tion-crossover-macs-directx-12-support-update
No idea, absolutely not my type of game. But Steam says it's DX11? Is that correct? If so, is it not working in current Crossover already?
Same as always. It's been discussed in and around Cupertino for a while now and people go in and out of Apple again, including Kojima. Keep your eyes (and more important ears) open at WWDC next week if you're not there already.
Well, the screenshot shows that the games supports macOS and VR, not necessary both at the same time.
No mention of Apple's headset on Steamdb. We'll see on Monday.
Post-apocalyptic cat platformer ‘Stray’ coming for Apple silicon Macs - 9to5Mac
The Mac game train continues onward. Just one year after the announcement, No Man’s Sky dropped on the Mac this...
interesting few weeks.
For sure and it's not even Monday.
Codeweavers too managed to keep their promise about DX12 support in Crossover 23. People thought it would take years if ever for such support on Wine.
I dunno I don't have CrossOver, and no one who owns CrossOver seems to have the game so they never tried it