Major problem with nvidia drivers in High Sierra.

Discussion in 'Mac Pro' started by Surrat, Mar 8, 2018.

  1. Surrat macrumors 6502


    Jun 20, 2014
    United States
    This is reposted from another thread, hopefully more eyes will see it and maybe make sense of it.

    In my 2009 MP, flashed to 5,1, I have tested dual K5000 mac edition cards, and 680 mac edition in the case, and two K5000 in an nvidia quadro plex. They work almost correctly in el capitan, but not in sierra, or high sierra.

    When using the built in high sierra driver, with for example two K5000 inside the tower, if I connect one cinema to either card, things are fine.
    If I connect two cinema to either card, things are fine.
    If however, I connect one display to each video card, when I plug in the second display, (dvi or dp), high sierra suddenly logs me out, and goes back to the login screen. If I try to login, it will load the desktop for a moment, then log out again.
    If I unplug one of the displays, things are fine and I can login.

    If I load the newest nvidia driver, including the one that just came out, things are different:
    Only one card will have desktop acceleration, and its never the card in slot 1, its the 'last' card in the chain.
    Two K5000 inside the tower - only card in slot 2 has acceleration, this includes 2 displays on it. Any display plugged into the slot 1 card has no acceleration and stutters/bad color/graphic errors. This happens even if I switch the cards around, only slot 2 works correctly.
    One 680 mac edition in slot 1, pcie breakout card in slot 2, two K5000 in quadro plex expansion unit:
    Testing with multiple display shows that only one card has acceleration, and its the second card in the expansion unit.
    The 680 has none, and first slot in expansion has none.

    In Sierra problems were a little different, but the computer was still unusable, as it would completely crash and reset about every 15 minutes when multiple displays were connected to separate cards.

    In El Capitan, things seemed ok, and I thought I had the problem beat, but no.
    Under heavy stress testing, meaning one display on each of 3 cards, and Heaven 3d benchmark running on each card with its own display, it ran for about 15 minutes, then the computer black screen crashed and reset.

    I havent tested this yet, but I think if I put the pcie breakout card in slot 1, a 680 mac edition in slot 2, and two K5000 mac edition in the quadro plex external, then I can connect displays to the 680 with acceleration, and the two K5000 will be available for cuda, but no acceleration for any displays on them.

    This has been EXTREMELY irritating, as I have spent literally hours trying different setups drivers, and three different versions of mac os.
  2. bsbeamer macrumors 68020

    Sep 19, 2012
    have you contacted NVIDIA at all about your issues?
    what method did you use for 4,1>5,1?
    any other device ID hacks?
    SIP enabled or disabled?
    APFS or HFS+ system drive?
  3. Surrat thread starter macrumors 6502


    Jun 20, 2014
    United States
    I did forward this post to their support page.
    Standard 4,1 to 5,1 flash, then APFS flash by High Sierra.
    No ID hacks.
    SIP is on.
    APFS on Sonnet PCIE Sata3 SSD.
    --- Post Merged, Mar 8, 2018 ---
    Things I'm thinking could be causing this:

    All 3 cards are official mac editions, maybe EFI conflict?
    I notice that the EFI option boot screen always goes to the last card, like in slot 2, or if all 3 cards are in, it will show up on the second card in the quadro plex. This is the same card that has acceleration using the web driver.
    Metal acceleration in high sierra not working on separate cards?

    This happens with a fresh high sierra install, with or without web driver.
    PCIE slot 1 is fine, if I run one card alone in it, no problems.
  4. bsbeamer macrumors 68020

    Sep 19, 2012
    There’s no such thing as a standard flash. DosDude or something else? There are more and more reports of some 4,1>5,1 machines having some deep issue. Maybe the flash itself causes some of this?

    Does SIP off do anything different? Hacked machines tend to prefer SIP OFF than authentic 5,1. Worth a shot if you can.
  5. Surrat thread starter macrumors 6502


    Jun 20, 2014
    United States
    Easy to find out, I have a 2012 MP, I"ll test in that over the weekend.
    Yes, it was the dosdude flasher, I dont know of any others.
  6. Surrat thread starter macrumors 6502


    Jun 20, 2014
    United States
    I just tested two Quadro K5000 Mac Edition in my 2012 12core MacPro...

    They show the exact same behavior as the flashed 2009 4,1 MacPro shows.
    I think this eliminates the 4,1-->5,1-->APFS flash as a source of the problem.
  7. Dr. Stealth, Mar 9, 2018
    Last edited: Mar 9, 2018

    Dr. Stealth macrumors 6502a

    Dr. Stealth

    Sep 14, 2004
    SoCal-Surf City USA
    I don't think it's an Nvidia driver issue. I think it's a High Sierra/Hardware/Software issue. They're are too many people running multiple Nvidia cards without any issues with the Nvidia web drivers (myself included). If they were GeForce cards I'd say, maybe, but running Quadros I don't think so. Nvidia puts major effort into insuring the Quadro drivers run very solid.
  8. Surrat thread starter macrumors 6502


    Jun 20, 2014
    United States
    Well, I tried my idea to get Metal acceleration on the desktop to the card I want.

    I put the Quadro Plex breakout card in slot 1, the 680ME in slot 2, and SATA boot card in slot 4.

    This worked, the 680 has acceleration for up to three displays I have tested, the two K5000 show up normally, but have no acceleration. I cant use them to run any monitors, but otherwise they are ok.
    They work fine for compute, and I tested them both in CUDA using geekbench 4.

    This is not what I wanted to achieve with this setup, but at least the crashing has stopped, and the Quadro Plex works as a CUDA platform.

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