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Mall Rats no more?

Seniors are there for a purpose, not to just hang-out.

They usually walk before the shops open, and have coffee and chat afterwards.

Hardly comparable.

A senior food fight might involve false teeth, not a pretty sight.
 
As a responsible, polite under 18 year old, I find is going a bit too far.

I realize that there are problems with "mall rats", but straight turning away people under 18 without a parent is crazy. Why don't they just get the security guards to patrol the mall and ask people to leave that are causing a disturbance.

Not all people under 21 that are creating problems anyway.
 
It is not the malls job to babysit. They can tell whoever they want to leave or not enter. It is not a public park.

Face it if you are under 18 you don't have rights. When will kids realize this. You are not entitled to anything.
 
c073186 said:
What about all the senior citizens who stroll the mall for hours just for exercise?
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They start fights??? :rolleyes:

Our local mall started a weekend chaperone policy a while back, and thank god for that. My wife and I stopped going to the mall because of the unruliness from all the teens riding in on the Metro. Fights (and I'm not talking about food) broke out on several occasions requiring police intervention & resulting in arrests.

If the kids don't want to be punished for the actions of some, then they need to apply some peer pressure, but I'm not going to feel so sorry for them that I have to worry about walking with my wife into the middle of a fight.
 
flyinmac said:
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I was going to post 'How will American capitalism survive?' till I read Flyinmac's lovely post. She answered it for me. It won't.

As someone who doesn't like malls much, I completely agree with this new policy. I hope teenagers finally learn to amuse themselves without needing to be surrounded by commercialism.

And these kids will grow up into adults who simply don't feel the need to be shopping shopping all the time like so many people do.

Yay. +1.
 
my parents usually take me, and i get most of my money from work.
i have respect for others things, and i just go to the mall as a fun hangout place. i dont break or destroy anything, i just talk to my friends and go store to store.
 
And they welcome you, Sunday to Thursday, but not Friday/Saturday, during the "witching hour".

Find a park to meet in, after Mommy feeds and burps you, and sends you out to play.

EDIT: The collective "you", not you particularly.
 
Just another manifestation of our growing police state. Teaching our children that they're guilty by association is a great way to jumpstart an Orwellian society.
 
Thanatoast said:
Just another manifestation of our growing police state. Teaching our children that they're guilty by association is a great way to jumpstart an Orwellian society.
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In my town we have a gang problem, where do they go, the mall. And what do gangs do, they fight. So why would some average person want to shop at a place where you have gang activity. The mall is for shopping not hanging out.
 
Thanatoast said:
Just another manifestation of our growing police state. Teaching our children that they're guilty by association is a great way to jumpstart an Orwellian society.
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I think that's being overly melodramatic. It's really a lot simpler than that. The adults don't want the teens coming to the mall, starting fights, and endangering their families, so the teens without supervision are banned. They can find something else to do for the weekend.
 
MacNut said:
In my town we have a gang problem, where do they go, the mall. And what do gangs do, they fight. So why would some average person want to shop at a place where you have gang activity. The mall is for shopping not hanging out.
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I don't see your counterargument. Prosecute the gangs. If there was a food fight in a mall, surely the police were called, people reprimanded, etc. and most likely given legal restraint orders not to frequent the mall again?

This is discrimination. So some kids make some shoppers feel uncomfortable, I'm betting some shoppers don't like Muslims either. Sorry to make a sensationalist point, but to me there is no difference.

And to be honest, some teenagers actually do have a substantial amount of money, at 16 I did because I was working full time and had few overheads to pay.
 
I think this is pretty ridiculous. Even when teenagers don't buy stuff from the stores, they'll usually buy a drink or food from the food court, therefore they are bringing in profit for the mall. Also some teens do have a lot of money, whether it's from work or parents.
Most teenagers are not trouble makers and this rule would be quite annoying for both the parents and the teenager. Also, teenagers often can get to the mall by themselves. Where I live, there are two malls within walking distance and two more within biking distance.
 
egor said:
I don't see your counterargument. Prosecute the gangs. If there was a food fight in a mall, surely the police were called, people reprimanded, etc. and most likely given legal restraint orders not to frequent the mall again?

This is discrimination. So some kids make some shoppers feel uncomfortable, I'm betting some shoppers don't like Muslims either. Sorry to make a sensationalist point, but to me there is no difference.

And to be honest, some teenagers actually do have a substantial amount of money, at 16 I did because I was working full time and had few overheads to pay.
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Police have to be hired to control the peace because of the kids, that is more tax dollars being wasted baby-sitting. Something the parents should be doing, not the mall. Not the people shopping at the mall. Why do teenagers feel entitled to everything.

You cant be discriminated if you don't have a legal right. If you are under 18 you don't have rights. It is that simple.
 
MacNut said:
In my town we have a gang problem, where do they go, the mall. And what do gangs do, they fight. So why would some average person want to shop at a place where you have gang activity. The mall is for shopping not hanging out.
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So kick out the gang members. Your argument is like kicking out all the muslims because terrorists blow stuff up. Punishing an entire class of people for the actions of a few is bad policy from legal and moral angles.
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I think that's being overly melodramatic. It's really a lot simpler than that. The adults don't want the teens coming to the mall, starting fights, and endangering their families, so the teens without supervision are banned. They can find something else to do for the weekend.
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As long as it inconveniences someone else it's okay, right? So maybe the few "good" teenagers will have to find something else to do. As long as we get to browse American Apparel in peace we don't care what happens to the innocent people who didn't do anything to deserve this, right?

It's amazing how many people are willing to demonize and restrict the rights of an entire group of citizens because of the actions of a few. Even in the extreme circumstances mentioned I'll lay down money that the majority of the teenagers who went to the mall caused no trouble at all. This is why I said we're entering a police state. Too many people seem to be willing to give up other people's civil rights for their own convenience and comfort.
 
So every kid under 18 has just as many rights as an adult now? When did this start?
 
MacNut said:
Police have to be hired to control the peace because of the kids, that is more tax dollars being wasted baby-sitting. Something the parents should be doing, not the mall. Not the people shopping at the mall. Why do teenagers feel entitled to everything.
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Can't you just "call" the police if something happens over there? That's what we do, we don't have police roaming every single place that may require supervision.

And you can always pass laws that prosecute the parents.

Teenagers feel entitled to everything? Do they? Is there a poll on this?

With regards to these rules, I think it is understandable that anyone should feel entitled to not be discriminated based on age, race, etc.
 
MacNut said:
So every kid under 18 has just as many rights as an adult now? When did this start?
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Well, where I live the only thing they can't do is make a porno, drive a car or drink booze in public.

Unsurprisingly, basic civil liberties and rights remain.
 
It is a private building, the owners can say who and who can't enter. If the majority of kids are driving business away then they will set rules. Nobody is saying that kids are not welcome. They just need an adult.
egor said:
Well, where I live the only thing they can't do is make a porno, drive a car or drink booze in public.

Unsurprisingly, basic civil liberties and rights remain.
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In CT no underage person can drink anywhere. Not even in private. Parents found supplying will go to jail.

Again Kids are not banned from the mall if they have a parent present.
 
MacNut said:
It is a private building, the owners can say who and who can't enter. If the majority of kids are driving business away then they will set rules. Nobody is saying that kids are not welcome. They just need an adult.
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so if i own a restaurant and it being private property, i can say no black people can come in because they are black and driving away white customers?

i dont buy that argument as its discrimination. you should not be able to discrimintate based on age
 
MacNut said:
It is a private building, the owners can say who and who can't enter. If the majority of kids are driving business away then they will set rules. Nobody is saying that kids are not welcome. They just need an adult.
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Are they allowed to stick up one of those signs which says "No Dogs, Blacks or Jews" too? This is actually mental, I mean we have laws making sure shops are accessible to the disabled, I can't see how banning teenagers doesn't go against that same moral basis.
 
dukebound85 said:
so if i own a restaurant and it being private property, i can say no black people can come in because they are black and driving away white customers?
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If they are causing a problem yes. Anyone can be removed for causing a disturbance. The difference is an adult can be out at 2 am. I don't know many 15 year olds that are allowed to be.
 
MacNut said:
If they are causing a problem yes. Anyone can be removed for causing a disturbance.
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Being black isn't something that causes a disturbance, the cause of any disturbance would be racist notions of other people. Likewise, being a teenager in itself does not cause a problem.
 
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