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I pretty much agree. Some of the things Google is doing remind me of Xerox circa 1970s ... Lots of activity into things that were not relevant to their business model or that they had no road map to market. Too much cash to throw around and no planning. By the late '70s other companies were beginning to eat their lunch.

Apple, also with too much cash, is sticking to their knitting. If Apple has locked up the bulk of small and medium touch sensitive LCD displays, as it seems it has, it won't matter whether Android is better then or as "good as" iOS if the other manufacturers have to buy second-rate resistive displays or pay a premium for whatever they can get.

Or Novell of the late 80's / early 90's with Eric Schmidt at its head. The guy has no vision. They had tons of cash and no vision. Now they are dead as dead.
 
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Yikes. A lot of hatred on these threads. I'm a big fan of Google search, maps, and docs. I prefer the iPhone, but some people prefer Android and I get it. It makes more sense for Google to make a more customizable phone for many handsets, rather than doing exactly like Apple. Going after the same customer would be dumb. Anyway, I think both Apple and Google are great companies with huge ambitions and the talent to realize them.

This seems to be the way of the world now. If you have a different view it is because you are ignorant of the facts. I make it my mission to educate you. If you don't accept my correct world view then you are an idiot.

Sad really because these huge companies that have my undying loyalty really only care about me enough to sell me a product.
 
This seems to be the way of the world now. If you have a different view it is because you are ignorant of the facts. I make it my mission to educate you. If you don't accept my correct world view then you are an idiot.

Sad really because these huge companies that have my undying loyalty really only care about me enough to sell me a product.

:rolleyes:

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Agreed... also...

I don't see it as Apple vs Google. Apple does not license it's OS or iOS. Google more competes with someone like Microsoft where there is licensing involved.

That is a limited understanding of business. Anything can be a factor. Gasoline prices are competition to computers for consumer dollars. Don't be fooled into thinking you have to compare companies with precisely similar products. Apple and Google are absolutely huge, direct competitors today. In many software types.
 
Eric Schmidt ran the once, all powerful Novell, into the ground, I guess Google decided to replace him before he does the same to them. The android OS is becoming a fragmented mess. Minus hacking its become the land of phones with no upgrade option, delayed upgrades, various GUI placed on top of the OS by manufactures. The OS is great in concept, the execution is sloppy at best.

he tried the Microsoft strategy on Apple but left in the part about why people dumped Novell in the first place.

i remember one time my employer bought a company that used novell and we had to copy all the data onto our NT servers. took me a few hours to do it manually via the GUI. the novell/unix guy who had to do half the users did what he knew to do. it took him 3 days to write a huge script to copy the users that ran for an hour or so while the process completed.

this is why everyone dumped novell. Windows NT wasn't as good technically but a lot of every day things were easy and fast to do. with novell i guess the answer was always i have to write a script and don't bug me for a few days.

NT/2000 was the iOS of it's day. it did a few things well and it took MS years to code features that the competition had for years but people bought it for the features that worked better than the competition. a killer implementation of a user directory and later ldap.
 
Eric Schmidt ran the once, all powerful Novell, into the ground, I guess Google decided to replace him before he does the same to them. The android OS is becoming a fragmented mess. Minus hacking its become the land of phones with no upgrade option, delayed upgrades, various GUI placed on top of the OS by manufactures. The OS is great in concept, the execution is sloppy at best.

Thank you. I thought I was in a Parallel Universe for a while. ;)
 
So long as the mighty Android continues to dominate im happy. Bring on honeycomb tablets omg.
 
Live by the Linux

The very nature of Linux politics is everyone takes the hit except Linus.
 
Welcome to the hive mind. Drones are welcome. I see you checked your brains at the door.

Yup bring on the Comb in a Tablet. It won't run on any current Android phone without Tegra. Looking forward to batt life in a Comb Tablet.

Comb=The Framented Android version of Vista.

The future is iOS, WIN7, and RIM. Talk in a year.
 
Amen. My father always taught me this very simple truth: "There's no such thing as a free lunch." Apparently some others' fathers forgot to mention this important fact.

My favorite Google analogy was posted a few days ago by another forum member (wish I remembered who), that of Pinocchio and Pleasure Island, where the Coachman plies the boys with all sorts of fun and freebies until they devolve into donkey slaves due to a magical curse.

Fear Google.
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That's a great forecast for a product they give a way free.

I think Google should patent this under creative accounting, they found a way to multiply by zero and get a much larger number then zero.
Wrong analogy - partly. Actually it's the tech version of the old "give away razors, sell blades" model. The original razor was the search function and the blades were the ads and along the way, the analytics they gather from the aggregate use of their products, etc.. Other "razors" ranging from wildly popular to clear misfires - are maps, mail, Docs, GTalk, G. Voice and, more to the current point, Chrome and Android.

Right analogy - partly. The whole notion of things being "free" on the internet has cost us all. Both in ways we see and ways we (here mostly) know about but don't see. In the early days some advocated for a micro-payments model for accessing web content but were soundly trounced by egalitarianism. Resulting in a(n ugly,cluttered) web first filled with banner ads, then blinking ones, then "interactive" ones, personally targeted ads, clutter all over your YouTube watches, etc.

How much cleaner and leaner would the web have been if you paid a tiny amount for accesses? While you're waiting for a page to come up, note the order of loading of the elements - it's all the commercial bits loading first. How many hours (days, months, etc. cumulatively) of your life have you "paid" for this?

And the freeness vacuum was also filled with spam - spam loaded with ads, phishing schemes, malware, etc. and by marginal to criminal companies - which proliferated wildly by being subsidized by the rest of how the net was being paid for.

At one point the percentage of spam in email was what, well over 90%? What would that percentage have been if each sent email cost even a 10th of a penny? Certainly reduced by orders of magnitude. Ahh, but email was and is "free."

And those of us who don't bit torrent huge amounts of pirated content have also paid for the proclivities of those who do - with the costs of keeping the net robust enough to move all those bits (spam and piracy) reflected in our monthly access bills. No one can say for certain, but I'll propose that the net net cost to most net users today would be lower with a web that paid its own way from the start.

"Free everything" also helped the arts of analytics and targeted marketing advance leading to a massive loss of personal and demographic privacy.

Which is why facebook is a privacy sinkhole where you are routinely given the opportunity not only to give up your personal info to any barely-vetted outside company who'll give Mark Z. a few bucks for access to an "app," but that of all your friends as well.

But, while things would have been significantly better, at least in this respect, all roads lead to Rome. One of the benefits of "Pay TV" touted in the early days of big dish and then cable and satellite TV was that it would be commercial free. As if. Even HBO has long promotional periods, even if what they're promoting is only HBO content. Meanwhile the amount of content vs ads - ESPECIALLY on the "free" cable nets (compared to the broadcasters of even not that long ago) - has only shrunk to the point where re-runs have to be truncated to fit in all the ads. Which at least helps incremental sales of "uncut" Seinfeld DVDs, but what does it do for YOU?

So... ...much of what plagues us today would probably be entering our lives anyway - likely just more slowly and subtly.

Meanwhile, gotta wrap up. Going to a "free seminar" on some investing scheme. It includes lunch!!

I wonder if this has to do with the failed google tv and google phone?
And Buzz and Wave and more?

Maybe....

If not ads, how else do you propose to pay for the cost of running a search engine? Subscriptions? Donations?
Micropayments was, as noted above, the most likely alternative, but never really got off the ground. (Tho' I've heard the word circulating again recently.)

Google is doing it with more than just Ads ... Funny how there is no AdSpam on their own home page?

I do not trust Google ... they make Facebook seem like the Good Privacy Fairy.

I have no need for either company. :cool:
It's REALLY hard to make facebook seem like "the good privacy fairy." Google sells aggregate data about you while facebook essentially sells YOU and your own info.

And like it or not, you do "need" Google by the critical part it's become of what drives the very existence of the net in its current form. Remove Google all at once and you would quickly hear a vast sucking sound of business as usual imploding into a singularity.

I would gladly pay for a Google subscription if :
  • They didn't sell or share information on my search habits
  • Let me hide all the advertisements on the results pages
  • Let me select the types of sites to show in the results (online retailers seem to dominate my search results even when I'm not searching for something to buy)
Given all the trends in the development of the net, don't hold your breath.
 
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It's REALLY hard to make facebook seem like "the good privacy fairy." Google sells aggregate data about you while facebook essentially sells YOU and your own info.

And like it or not, you do "need" Google by the critical part it's become of what drives the very existence of the net in its current form. Remove Google all at once and you would quickly hear a vast sucking sound of business as usual imploding into a singularity.


lol ... I think you have bought into the Google Spam Scam too much ... and give them credit they have not earned or deserve.

The Internet would continue on just fine without Google.
 
lol ... I think you have bought into the Google Spam Scam too much ... and give them credit they have not earned or deserve.

The Internet would continue on just fine without Google.
In time, yes - but the immediate effect on netonomics and navigation would be notable enough. But, yeah, I confess to being too hyperbolic about a hypothetical. :rolleyes:
 
Sergey Brin seems to me the more public figure of the two and a more obvious choice as CEO, not that i know much about their strengths. Generally I think having a founder as CEO is good for a company.
 
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