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we're just trusting our memories

memories are factual
Yup like when I watched Mandela walk out of prison accompanied by a huge crowd including his then wife Winnie.

As for the rest of this thread:

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There is a Mandela effect I have come across roughly two years ago involving the song "Amerika" by Rammstein. It could have certainly happened before this, but two years ago was when I distinctly noticed the change. I am hoping that I can find corroboration or evidence to the contrary here.


Between Fall of 2010 and Spring of 2011 I remember vividly discussing the song with a good friend who was in the same college type class. "Amerika" had a notable and very distinct key change during the last chorus where it dropped a whole step down and continued the last chorus in a new, lower key after the bridge with the guitar solo and synth.

To clarify, we were and are, both musical and have a good deal of musical experience.

Two years ago I listened to Amerika again and was perplexed to find that the distinct key change was barely even noticeable. I wasn't in the mood at the time to think too much on it and blew it off at the time.

This week I re listened to the song again and jumped back and forth multiple times between the the first chorus, the last, and each one in between. There was no key change at all, anywhere in the song. Not in the official video, not the official audio, not a live performance, nothing. So far I haven't found anything via a google search.

I messaged my friend this morning whom I remember discussing the song with. He also remembered Amerika having a key change (To clarify, he couldn't remember if it was the middle or last chorus, but he distincntly remembers it having a key change after the bridge).

My roommate remembers the song having a key change as well.

Does anyone else have a similar experience?
Thank you

TLDR
"Amerika" by Rammstein had a key change in the song that is no longer there.
 
I look at Google Earth frequently…


I saw New Zealand a week before the shift


New Zealand shifted, perhaps I did
 
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I’m referring to what I have observe. Aren’t memories factual? ;)
And I continue to observe deception daily in American Politics, although this would not be technically part of the Mandella Effect, although the ME could be used as a deception strategy to help convince citizens that Trump really won the popular vote. Hence my comment. :)
You saying to remember something a certain way is true as long as you aren't lying, but whether or not that actually happened could be false. Just like if I argue about what I heard, I will always say I heard you say ABC, not you said ABC. It's always possible I heard them wrong or they didn't say what they meant.
 
this is not misremembering, this much we know

the evidence is overwhelming

you can check …
 
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You saying to remember something a certain way is true as long as you aren't lying, but whether or not that actually happened could be false. Just like if I argue about what I heard, I will always say I heard you say ABC, not you said ABC. It's always possible I heard them wrong or they didn't say what they meant.
I’m just saying if that is how you remember it, then you’d consider your memories to be true, while acknowleging you might not have an accurate memory about a certain event.
 
faith is the ability to accept the truth


especially a strange truth
 
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ELIZABETH LOFTUS IS AN AMERICAN COGNITIVE PSYCHOLOGIST AND EXPERT ON THE MALLEABILITY OF HUMAN MEMORY. A DISTINGUISHED PROFESSOR OF SOCIAL ECOLOGY AND PROFESSOR OF LAW AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, IRVINE (UCI), LOFTUS IS BEST KNOWN FOR HER GROUND-BREAKING WORK ON THE MISINFORMATION EFFECT, THE CREATION AND THE NATURE OF FALSE MEMORIES, AND THE WAYS IN WHICH THOSE EFFECTS INFLUENCE EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY.



 
memory is reliable, that's what it's for


you rely on memory, everyone relies on it
 
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what I find interesting is you can't accept the truth


because it's too far beyond the mundane
 
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I accept the fact that I can be wrong about many things. While there may be a few exceptional individuals in the world with flawless memory, the fact is that for most people memory is not reliable and even less so as time passes.

What's far more interesting is that you can't seem to accept the fact that you could be wrong.
 
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