Johnny Rico said:
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
See! - Look at the violence inherent in the system.
Edit: I agree with (most of) the first two paragraphs. I just think people have a little more inteligence than you credit them with.
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Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
See! - Look at the violence inherent in the system.
Edit: I agree with (most of) the first two paragraphs. I just think people have a little more inteligence than you credit them with.
pseudobrit said:
Exactly what I wanted to say: a pure, logical fallacy. Conflating his innate behavior with a chemical he is fond of? We all use chemicals. Even the guy who runs 5 miles a day is using the endorphins his body naturally produces. When I go to work in the morning I almost always have coffee. Yeah I love coffee, but the crap at work hardly qualifies as coffee -- I'm using the chemical caffeine.
Pot doesn't affect behavior any more than taking cold medication does. If you've never smoked it, you're really quite unqualified to make any comments about it. I don't care who you know or what story you've heard or what you read in the paper.
Now, to be fair, I know people who smoked it day-in and day-out for years and then finally realized that it a negative thing in their life. But I don't think pot ever turned anyone into a criminal. Money, perhaps, makes criminals out of otherwise decent persons, but a plant? Please--
Furthermore, you are claiming that your brother's pot use is so evil that it caused YOU to punch somebody in the face and it caused your dad to start cursing in front of your kid sister. That sounds more like problems with you and your dad.
obeygiant said:
Its hard to grow because it requires lots of sun and everybody in this country is forced to grow it indoors. But in south america they grow all of it outside. It's mad easy.
'Sup, Monty?Soton Speed said:Help! Help! I'm being repressed!
See! - Look at the violence inherent in the system.
everyone can argue the pros and cons of this drug, but here is something to think about.
The government COULD control the quality of bud, just like they can control the percetnage of alcohol in beer. They would also perfect the art of weed growing and only sell quality bud, which would put all weed dealers out of businesses because thier product wouldn;t be as quality as the mainstream product.
And for all you ******* who are throwing out family stories about weed ruining your life, shut up. Alcohol does the same, way worse. Weed is not physically addictive, its physcologically addictive, meaning the drug itself is NOT ADDICTIVE SO STOP SAYING IT.
Yes, it is mind altering, but it is also socially. sometimes not depending on the person. JUST LIKE ALCOHOL, it is a subjective drug, having selective effects on certian people, but also having alot of the same effects.
The government COULD control the quality of bud, just like they can control the percetnage of alcohol in beer. They would also perfect the art of weed growing and only sell quality bud, which would put all weed dealers out of businesses because thier product wouldn;t be as quality as the mainstream product.
And for all you ******* who are throwing out family stories about weed ruining your life, shut up. Alcohol does the same, way worse. Weed is not physically addictive, its physcologically addictive, meaning the drug itself is NOT ADDICTIVE SO STOP SAYING IT.
Yes, it is mind altering, but it is also socially. sometimes not depending on the person. JUST LIKE ALCOHOL, it is a subjective drug, having selective effects on certian people, but also having alot of the same effects.
Wow, sorry but that was the most illogical string of sentences I have read all day.savar said:
First of all, cold medicine DOES affect your behavior. Read the warnings on the back of a box.
The chemical argument makes no sense whatsoever. Water is a chemical. Ricin is a chemical. The latter kills you rather quickly.
I have never smoked pot but my uncle does and he is a criminal, and gone mentally. BTW, to argue that someone would be a criminal regardless of pot is besides the point. They need the money to buy more pot. Where do they get it if their too wasted to have a job? They knock over a 7-11.
Pot is scientifically proven to be a gateway drug to harder stuff, like meth and cocaine. Then you've got 15 year olds dying because their blood turned to jello.
cycocelica said:
Do you feel good about yourself by attacking people with familial problems?
You seem to place drugs in a higher regard than those who suffer. How delightfully ironic, coming from someone who is defending the benignancy of marijuana.
I don't believe there's much else to think or comment about your utterly moronic post.
Really, cause I know that all my friends and I are just itchin for some Arkansas crystal meth (apparently we got the good s***) after a bowl of marijuanaKingsly said:
. Although there have been many reports of scientists claiming this is true, when it comes down to it, no scientific evidence supports this claim. There is no way to say that marijuana was the cause of a person trying a second drug. Marijuana is the first drug most people try because it is hardly a hard drug and is usually the most common to obtain. Statistics have shown though that most marijuana users aren't on the harder drugs like you have specified. If that wasn't the cause, we would have at least 20 million people looking around for it, which is way below the estimated 1.5 million users of meth. I could have the same argument and say kids that drank milk or Dr. Pepper led them to marijuana and then so on.
jon
AND think of the logic behind that. If a person is willing to do cocaine or heroin, then it's a pretty good bet that they've done pot since these drugs are so much harder. If they have no regard for the **** they're doing, then of course they'll have done the safer one at one point.iJon said:Really, cause I know that all my friends and I are just itchin for some Arkansas crystal meth (apparently we got the good s***) after a bowl of marijuana
There is no way to say that marijuana was the cause of a person trying a second drug. Marijuana is the first drug most people try because it is hardly a hard drug and is usually the most common to obtain. Statistics have shown though that most marijuana users aren't on the harder drugs like you have specified. If that wasn't the cause, we would have at least 20 million people looking around for it, which is way below the estimated 1.5 million users of meth. I could have the same argument and say kids that drank milk or Dr. Pepper led them to marijuana and then so on.
jon
Heres 2 pro I think everyone can agree on:cycocelica said:
Person A has a stick up their @$$
Person A after marijuana: stick removed!
Person B is not very imaginative.
Person B after marijuana: can now do iTunes visualizer in their head!
Sounds fine to me!
aquajet said:
ok smartass lets actually look at what I said then think about it. When did I ever say I put drugs ina higher regard that those who suffer? never.
And on that discussion, I think those who suffer need to be treated and such to get better and recover, my arguement was simply that alcohol causes far worse negative results than pot. So before you reshape my words and ideas, pull your head out of your ass and read what I said.
I wasn't attacking families who have suffered, I was just making a point that everyone reacts differently. you made a good point though, good job.
anti-mairjuana activists can site as many scientific research documents as they want about marijuana being a "gateway" drug, but in all seriousness, the first time I smoked marijuana was out of a personal curiosity, I was also in Amsterdam at the time which was another key factor in the matter.
I found it to be a beautiful feeling, very relaxing and a whole bundle of fun.
Though you could say that was the first illegal drug I ever took, all other drugs were taken after weeks of preperation, planning and research. And all through curiosity and in the name of fun, not through a drug crazed hunt for some hard **** to cure raging urges to escape from real life and fry my brain .
Marijuana is a fun way to enhance an experience, taking it to, sometimes, surreal proportions.
The only person that marijuana affects is myself and, for me, not for all people, the positive far out weighs the negative effects of marijuana use.
For all those australians out there, I finished the VCE with a 91 enter score (of 100) while smoking, alot less in that year, but still having joints on weekends and such.
@Johnny Rico: Nice bong dude, The last one I had was a beautiful foot long triple chamber glassy with a tar catcher, where the glass would change colour due to light and heat.
I found it to be a beautiful feeling, very relaxing and a whole bundle of fun.
Though you could say that was the first illegal drug I ever took, all other drugs were taken after weeks of preperation, planning and research. And all through curiosity and in the name of fun, not through a drug crazed hunt for some hard **** to cure raging urges to escape from real life and fry my brain .
Marijuana is a fun way to enhance an experience, taking it to, sometimes, surreal proportions.
The only person that marijuana affects is myself and, for me, not for all people, the positive far out weighs the negative effects of marijuana use.
For all those australians out there, I finished the VCE with a 91 enter score (of 100) while smoking, alot less in that year, but still having joints on weekends and such.
@Johnny Rico: Nice bong dude, The last one I had was a beautiful foot long triple chamber glassy with a tar catcher, where the glass would change colour due to light and heat.
Wow this thread is rapidly becoming an example of how quickly a simple discussion can become a full fledged flame war.
My 2¢: Anyone who is dependent on drugs (alcohol, cigs, pot, meth) to feel good about themselves/family/work/world or loosen up at a party is stupid and should see a therapist.
I am now leaving the discussion, have fun flaming people you don't even know and trying to convince them that [place discussion topic here] is good/bad.
My 2¢: Anyone who is dependent on drugs (alcohol, cigs, pot, meth) to feel good about themselves/family/work/world or loosen up at a party is stupid and should see a therapist.
I am now leaving the discussion, have fun flaming people you don't even know and trying to convince them that [place discussion topic here] is good/bad.
Kingsly said:
Brilliant.
The point is that just because someone smokes does not make them a dropout needing to rob your car stereo for a "fix".
You are succumbing to the rediculous pot fiend media stereotype.
I know many many professionals that smoke daily that contribute to society possibly more than a lot of non-smokers.
The bottom line here is that people should be allowed to do what they like, prohibition just doesn't work and costs govts that have to uphold these laws (not to mention the loss of potential taxes).
And to other posters with assertions that alcohol is fine in society don't wash with me. I have personal experience of two families wrecked by alcohol.
Show me the proof.Kingsly said:
What proof do you have that someone who smokes pot will be lead to use cocaine? I have friends who smoke pot and the only other drug it has lead to has been tobacco.
That someone who chooses to try drugs might start with the most available/cheapest/'safest' option is hardly surprising and if you base scientific findings on that then you're some kind of idiot.
When people are killed by those who drive drunk you hear calls for drinking to be further controlled. Why? Surely it not the drink that killed its the car, so surely you need to ban cars not booze. People have been drinking for thousands of years but deaths by drink driving have only occurred in the last hundred or so since the car was invented. Hows that for scientific proof.
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mpw said:
When something of this sort does happen (and I'm sure it's not unheard of) it might have something to do with the fact that the some of the guys who sell weed offer other products.
So there's another nod for legalization and regulation when's the last time you went to the liquor store only to be told they ran out of all the booze but howsabout a bump of coke instead?
What proof do you have that someone who smokes pot will be lead to use cocaine?
Reminds me of that Derek and Clive sketch.
Never open an umbrella in the house, it's very bad luck.
Yeah?
Yeah my grandfather did that in his youth and 53 years and 82 days later, he died.
Really
Walking on a stage wearing ridiculous clothing leads inexorably to chronic cocaine abuse. Look what happened to Kate Moss if you don't believe it.
Cocaine is just natures way of telling you, you have too much money
Reminds me of that Derek and Clive sketch.
Never open an umbrella in the house, it's very bad luck.
Yeah?
Yeah my grandfather did that in his youth and 53 years and 82 days later, he died.
Really
Walking on a stage wearing ridiculous clothing leads inexorably to chronic cocaine abuse. Look what happened to Kate Moss if you don't believe it.
Cocaine is just natures way of telling you, you have too much money
I know more than 20 people who smoke pot, none of them touch crack/cocaine/heroin and I know 3 people who've been killed on motocycles while sober and another who died in a car wreck while sober and had never touched any drugs at all.Hector said:
Statistics are usless without shed loads of data to back them up.
Wow, I just love all the misconceptions about pot and whatnot. I don't think I ever had the urge to rob a store because I ran out of reefer. That is the funniest thing I've heard in ages...I'm crying I'm laughing so hard. Seriously, crying, hard.
