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Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'

TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ said:
Zuckerberg is also afraid he will never come close to what Apple has to offer. See it for yourself.

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That's the amazing Apple strategy, they bide their time, essentially the other companies w/ the people who experience them, waiting for the best (in this case it took Visio Pro 8 years- that's a nice example of the virtue of patience) while each small part was being tested in other blockbuster gadgets, aka the iPhone (Face ID, ARM then  Silicon, AR, high res cameras) so it still makes money while it pieces things out (like the Infinity Stones), waiting for everybody to do their best, the pinnacle was Varjo and then at the right time, the make the best VR/AR in the Vision Pro- it's like the Gaunlet w/ all the Infnity Stones- this is how Apple disrupts and dominates. Elon Musk is different, give it all you've got now, improving as fast as possible that nobody can catch up and he also has the holistic approach and eco-system (the companies help out each other SpaceX, the satellites, SpaceX tech on Teslas and vice-versa, Tesla one Optimus path tracing A.I. and object idenfication, etc.). In short Apple wait until the best is made (Varjo AR/VR) and them it buids something better, making it best of the best at a lower price (Vision Pro is half the price of a Varjo). :)
 
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He should be worried about the Apple Vision SE that's eventually arriving.

However, I can imagine that the software development teams at Facebook and Instagram, etc. will be wanting to use them from home, rather than a MetaQuest.
 
Meta's goal with the metaverse is "fundamentally social," whereas the Vision Pro appears to be more isolating, according to Zuckerberg
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Well in my opinion both products fail on bringing people together. Technology does not bring people together, people do! Whether it’s the invention of the iPhone or these headsets, they will do nothing to bring ‚really‘ together. That only happens when you go out there and meet people IRL.
 
He’s pretty much correct in what he said. Neither solution works. Apple is going down the road of removing you from the real world and instead presenting you as a digital version, I find that really odd and freaky, I mean why try to make an avatar lifelike? If it’s fake make it look fake? Just looks damn weird otherwise.
 
zach-coleman said:
I’m very curious what he honestly means by the concept of the apple device being isolating, is his intention for people to walk around outside wearing the Quest 3? At least the Apple device has the ability to emulate eye contact, has pass through of people when immersed, and has a realistic look for you in FaceTime.

The price I suppose is true, but on the other hand, barely anybody bought a Quest 2 for $300, why would they buy a Quest 3 for $500? And then you have the obvious text clarity issues that make this a bad productivity device, something I can personally confirm to you as a Quest 2 owner. It genuinely hurts to read.
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Eye contact…..??? 🤣😂 if that’s what you call a digital 3D effect screen on the front projecting an image of your eyes then yes I suppose it does.. Personally I’d prefer actual real eye contact, for free.
 
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Zuck saw the high price coming so announced the $500 goggles in preparation. Just like Vision Pro, Zuck is being pretty transparent.
 
Art Mark said:
The -iPhone- doesn’t do anything our blackberry (or Nokia or Windows phone) can’t do. It’s not like Apple reinvented physics. You send email, look at the web and make phone calls. So what that it’s full screen - you give up real, tactile keys. The iPhone is nothing to worry about.
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... The iPhone can have more than three 3rd party apps installed. The Blackberry? Not so much.

I had a Bold at that time, I know. My nearly-obsolete Palm Centro at that time can run and hold more apps than the Blackberry Bold.
 
Motawa said:
I don't like the man but it's true. There is not one killer app.
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Not one, but several millions. Most iPadOS and iOS apps would run on the Vision Pro, unless the developer opts out.

On the flip side, Facebook and Instagram would probably run too, unless Zuck opts out.
 
Kissmo1980 said:
Zuckerberg is reacting to this, the same way Steve Balmer reacted to the iPhone - if you remember (just google Steve Balmer reacting to iPhone)

We all know Meta was doomed from the beginning.
I already said it before - When you try to change the Logo before changing your business ethics, sooner or later this is what happens.

I had ZERO interest and excitement about Apple's VR.
After the keynote and reviews - I realize that this has an iPhone potential.
Even Mr Z knows it - he should have kept his mouth shut and make no public statement.
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Did someone say Kodak? 😁
 
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Alvin777 said:
That's the amazing Apple strategy, they bide their time, essentially the other companies w/ the people who experience them, waiting for the best (in this case it took Visio Pro 8 years- that's a nice example of the virtue of patience) while each small part was being tested in other blockbuster gadgets, aka the iPhone (Face ID, ARM then  Silicon, AR, high res cameras) so it still makes money while it pieces things out (like the Infinity Stones), waiting for everybody to do their best, the pinnacle was Varjo and then at the right time, the make the best VR/AR in the Vision Pro- it's like the Gaunlet w/ all the Infnity Stones- this is how Apple disrupts and dominates. Elon Musk is different, give it all you've got now, improving as fast as possible that nobody can catch up and he also has the holistic approach and eco-system (the companies help out each other SpaceX, the satellites, SpaceX tech on Teslas and vice-versa, Tesla one Optimus path tracing A.I. and object idenfication, etc.). In short Apple wait until the best is made (Varjo AR/VR) and them it buids something better, making it best of the best at a lower price (Vision Pro is half the price of a Varjo). :)
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Apple plays The Long Game.
 
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ANd with what benefit except looking stupid while working? And ignoring the fact that most productive Tasks still require MacBooks/Full Stack Applications and not iOS Apps.
 
I don't plan on buying a Vision Pro but I'd rather spend $3500 buying one instead of anything made by Facebook. If the headset was $7,000 and Facebook paid me to use theirs I'd still go with the Vision Pro.

I refuse to use anything to do with Facebook. The world would be better off if they didn't exist.
 
kiensoy said:
We can hate on LeZuck all we want but he has a valid point. He was probably scared Apple would make some revolutionary use for it (which they would have to copy) but in the end there’s nothing new. Just done much better. I think developers is what will make Vision Pro shine
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Nothing new? Name the device with finger only control (nothing handheld). Or the device that is an actual computer for productivity? Or the one that seamlessly moves from AR to VR and is aware of people around you? Or duplicates your face on the front? If you saw nothing new you weren’t paying attention.
 
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Problem of isolation is common to both headsets. Interacting with 3d characters is not “being social” Zuck needs to come out of his metaverse and realize it
 
Anyone wanting to venture into VR are not going to purchase Apple's Vison Pro because it is being seen as far too expensive compared to what is already out there. People are going to purchase one of the cheaper options, mainly the Quest (formally Oculus). People may hate Zuckerberg but he is right, people will much prefer to purchase a $500 VR headset than a $3499 VR headset, plus it only works on a mac thus a person would need to purchase mac computer for it to work on thus more high expense. Also the biggest draw for many with regards to VR is gaming, something that has already been established with the PC market for years, tried and tested for years thus buyers are going to know it's is going to work on the games they chose. Apple's Vison Pro has only just been announced thus how it will fair with games is anyone's guess. A bit risky when you look at the price of the Vison Pro.
 
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I think there is a reason why there is a Pro in the end.

Look to next summer or the one after and do not be surprised if there is also an Apple Vision device available at a lower price point in addition to the Pro.
 
I will argue this:
- metaverse and all other "VR social media" are a niche at best dead end most likely
- VR has some appeal to gaming but still a niche (at least now). Has been tried so many times and never really caught on.
- VR has use in design and architecture... and that's also a niche!
- porn? Niche.

So far I have yet to hear anyone say ANY major selling points for ANY VR sets. Apple has made a good product but at best the customer base will be as microscopic as the Mac Pro base. If not less, because again... niche. Very few people have need for it. I will actually bet a lot of orders that will be placed would be out of curiosity and not out of actual needs.

Apple has stagnated under Cook's leadership that lacks imagination and has shifted somewhat into a service provider rather than a manufacturer. It has yet to release ANY game-changing product under Cook, so far it has been gradual improvements and gimmicks.
 
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I’m not siding with the Facebook man here, but I will say that on the hardware side there is nothing revolutionary about the AppleVision.

Yes, you throw three and a half grand at a problem and you make very nice hardware with lots of cameras and great screens. It was sad to see that this headset is ‘just’ the best current generation headset money can buy rather than forward thinking hardware for the next leap in VR. In a world where Bigscreen Beyond already exists, this headset looks awfully clunky.

Where I think Apple differs impressively here is it’s grounding of a user in the real world rather than a full VR experience. A lot of ‘norms’ will get nauseous if you dump them straight into a hectic VR environment but let them choose their level of immersion with the dial and they can explore at their own pace. On the software side giving users a gentle introduction to VR is going to be the smartest choice for future adoption.

Also gesture only controls takes the learning curve out of usage. Pinching zooming tapping etc are all much more approachable than giving someone a lightsaber hilt and asking them to figure out what button does what. Also you can’t take them around with you.

I was initially flummoxed why Apple showed no VR games, but it makes sense - anyone who already wanted to play games on VR over the last 7 or so years already has. It’s everyone else Apple needs to win over.
 
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