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With their core business revolving around a lack of privacy.., low prices and high user base is meta’s wheelhouse. I would have been shocked if Apple chose to compete for that market, and I’m thrilled they are already mentioning privacy protections for focus monitoring.
 
To be fair, Apple's Vision is just a rich mans novelty toy. What practical use does it currently have? What problem does it solve that any of us need fixing for $3,500?

But go on, praise Apple for some reason!
People seems to focus on the wrong thing. Not everything is created to solve a problem. Most of the amazing inventions are created to improve solutions.
 
It is what youtube reviewers who played with the device and journalist opinion articles from press are saying..

It is depressing sitting alone on a sofa.

They didn't demo a single game that can use the hand motion.
Again more silly comments. I don't feel depressed when sitting alone on a sofa. I sometimes welcome it after often being surrounded by family and friends. I don't get this all or nothing talk. A dystopic world coming as if these headsets will be glued on!
There is nothing depressing about alone time unless you intrinsically have a problem that results in you being alone. There are many reviewers who have described much more positive experiences with their demo.
 
Didn’t Apple show an ad with a dad and his kid playing catch while wearing the Visions Pro? How is that ”isolating” and sitting on a couch?

Let’s be honest. After Apple’s presentation, I was thinking how screwed Meta and Zuckerberg is. Who really wants to make an avatar to go to a virtual office to sit next to your coworker who decided to be a cow today? Even before Apple’s presentation, Metaverse came off as just Second Life with VR headset, stuck with Facebook in the 2000s.

It comes down to VR vs AR. I am banking on AR. Yes, the Visions Pro is expensive and a bit big still. Give it 5 to 10 years, the tech will advance and the price will come down… notice the “pro” naming? There will be a non-pro version 100%.

I think this is the fundamental difference. Facebook showed their headset providing a virtual environment for people to work in (like second life for corporate), and I don’t know of anybody who would like to work like that, vs simply communicating via zoom.

Mark Zuckerberg knows he has nothing on what Apple is selling - immersion. Apple is showing how people can wear the Vision Pro and still interact meaningfully with their environment. Sure, using it to record your kid’s birthday party may be creepy, but if it can provide you with an immersive memory that you can go back and access in the future, why not?
 
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Too stiff a price for me, but I imagine there are countless scenarios where a device like this could be fantastically useful. For example, imagine an architect being able to design and demonstrate a photorealistic 3D environment with one of these things. Engineering component design and visualisation could be much easier. Virtual tours of just about anywhere on Earth. I only thought about it for a minute but I imagine there will be many applications for this device.
Construction business already use VR for BIM and collaboration. It is much easier to build it in Revit or any 3D modelling, bring it to VR and finding out any clashes within the design. This is happening right now. Basically we go to an empty lot where a 9 floors parking building is going to be built, wear a VR headset and the virtual building as it was designed appears in front of us with all the cable runs, CCTV and lightings installed. We can walk through the door (obviously only first level) and it looks as real as an actual model. This way it saves tons of money and time before even the building is built to find out any mistakes and correction.
 
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If anything, the Vision Pro will help sell Quests-- for a while at least.

When little Jimmy gets excited about the Vision Pro and can't have one because it's over $3000, he's going to have to settle for the cheaper option if he wants any kind of VR experience.
Well the vision pro seems to be a fully functional computer hardware wise and you run with what two 7k displays and apparently accurate enough to not need joysticks to function. Essentially a mac studio strapped to your head
 
Why do people think the price will go down in 5 to 10 generations, when the iPhone only went up in price, it's not $650 anymore.
 
Why do people think the price will go down in 5 to 10 generations, when the iPhone only went up in price, it's not $650 anymore.
I think it’s because they started at the pro level which is usually the most expensive.
 
But Apple doesn’t require a Facebook account; worth the price of admission

But it requires an iCloud account, pick your poison. Power corrupts.


You know he is not wrong. He made very reasonable arguments, he even mentioned he will see how it goes. Do not forget when iPhone launched it had no app store so it was locked to just a phone with built in apps. No one can tell the future but we can only judge with what we know so far.
 
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Why do people think the price will go down in 5 to 10 generations, when the iPhone only went up in price, it's not $650 anymore.
because Apple keeps their older products at a cheaper price. the newest iPhone may be more expensive than the original, but it has way more features and you can buy previous models for less.
 
Some of these comments are wacky! I have no love for Zuck or Meta, but his remarks seem entirely reasonable (especially for a competitor). Seriously, the hater-ade here is unbecoming.
 
I’d probably be most interested in it for watching movies (in 2D or 3D on a large-scale IMAX-like virtual screen), but hopefully I’d find myself doing other things on it. I guess FaceTime would be fun? Recording and playing back 3D videos would be cool. They really need to put AAA games on it. I could just pair it with a controller. The demoes were pretty solid during the presentation, so I see it has potential.
 
I suspect he’s alluding to the fact that Apple didn’t show any use case of people interacting in a shared 3D environment. The only in-VR interaction was FaceTime, which basically is just talking heads. So he doesn’t see Apple infringing on his Metaverse vision of full-body avatar 3D presence, which he probably perceives as less isolating.
True. Apple clearly doesnt care abour VR games and VR spaces. Thats why so many VR people are confused about the device. They dont understand whats the point of a 3500$ VR headset…because it’s not a VR headset. It’s something new.
 
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Some of these comments are wacky! I have no love for Zuck or Meta, but his remarks seem entirely reasonable (especially for a competitor). Seriously, the hater-ade here is unbecoming.
His comments sound like a kid claiming they can dunk when they can’t reach the rim.
 
True. Apple clearly doesnt care abour VR games and VR spaces. Thats why so many VR people are confused about the device. They dont understand whats the point of a 3500$ VR headset…because it’s not a VR headset. It’s something new.

There's going to be plenty of VR aspects, especially 3rd party. That's why it's called a Mixed Reality headset.
 
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To be fair, Apple's Vision is just a rich mans novelty toy. What practical use does it currently have? What problem does it solve that any of us need fixing for $3,500?
For you, it offers you something about which you complain. For me and my colleagues, it offers a virtual production headset for less than we currently pay.
But go on, praise Apple for some reason!
I will.
 
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Zuck is a wanker and I don't like his products or his view of the world, but he's not wrong that these are fundamentally different devices for different uses, and, probably, for different people. I'm not sure they'll ever be in direct competition.
 
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