Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'

[Blakjack]

In a companywide meeting with employees today, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg responded to Apple's announcement of the Vision Pro, according to The Verge's Alex Heath. Zuckerberg said the Vision Pro has no "magical solutions" that Meta has not thought of, and "costs seven times more" than its recently-announced Quest 3 headset.

Zuckerberg added that Apple's announcement "really showcases the difference in the values and the vision that our companies bring to this," noting that Meta's goal is to offer products that are "accessible and affordable to everyone." Vision Pro will be priced at $3,499, while the Quest 3 will be priced at $499 and the Quest Pro costs $999.

Meta's goal with the metaverse is "fundamentally social," whereas the Vision Pro appears to be more isolating, according to Zuckerberg. He admitted that Apple's approach "could be the vision of the future of computing," but is "not the one that I want."

Zuckerberg's full comments, as reported by The Verge:Just days before WWDC, Meta previewed the Quest 3, its next-generation mixed reality headset. Launching later this year, the headset features a 40% slimmer and more comfortable design, a higher-resolution display, and up to twice the graphics performance as the Quest 2. The headset will start at $499 with 128GB of storage, and the company plans to share more details about it at an event on September 27.

Apple said the Vision Pro will be available in the U.S. in early 2024.

Article Link: Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'

Zuckerberg is living in 2006/2007. He acts like he doesn’t know apps are what will allow Vision to become more social. He also seems to not understand how Apple operates. There will be a cheaper version For the masses at some point. I’m confident in that.

Apple’s first AR/VR device i think is simply a device to enter the space and show the world what’s possible. They know the masses won’t buy this iteration. But now the masses are aware and there will be a commitment to patience causing us to choose Apple over the rest. I for one won’t be purchasing anything but Vision. I’ll just wait until i can afford the current one or the cheaper version to come.

Vision is a work of art. It urinates on the competition. Apple put everybody else on notice. They have made them realize their attempts in this space so far has been one big joke. The polish at which Vision does what does is amazing. Zuckerberg needs to be quiet because he sounds ridiculous.

 

[Blakjack]

As much as I don't like him, he didn't lie and made a few good points.

People in this thread tend to get very defensive, but he didn't criticize Vision Pro, just said that meta had different values and vision when it came to designing such device and that's it...

Zuckerberg’s wrong about what people want. Meta wants people to live in an alternate universe. It sounds cool and exciting, but is that really what we want. I don’t think so. And i think Apple knows it too.

I think we truly want to live in our current world but a version thats enhanced. By enhancing our real world, it can become more social by coupling products like facetime and content.

Metas busy trying to create a virtual world with avatars…….why?!?!?! People already exist. What’s the point in creating a fake versions of them?

Meta’s direction is different, but it’s pointless i think.

 

[Bug-Creator]

Metas busy trying to create a virtual world with avatars…….why?!?!?! People already exist.

*shrug* It would be just a game, a bigger WoW or something like that.
Looking at WoW you did see (and still see) people "living" in there.
Looking at the people "living" in WoW I'm not so sure I would want to be a part of it.

Not sure if I will care much about Apple's idea if it ever becomes affordable.

 

[iBluetooth]

Just a note, Apple is the main driver of high prices on mass produced none premium handsets (iPhone is not premium, doesn’t come made of gold or encrusted with diamonds like others do). They are the only ones who took the market to 999 priced devices and then beyond too. Obviously people pay that or more yearly, but what makes you think Apple will want the price of its VR equipment to come down? I mean they did just replace the Mac Pro, made it half as upgradable AND put the price up on it even though they make the chips themselves thus cutting costs.

The component cost of chips and computers has increased a lot. Apple has high margin on the iPhone as the market allows them, but on other components that are new products, they usually start at low margin above components because they know that the component cost will come down with increased volume. One thing Apple does is not skimp on is components, they make sure to have good speakers, cameras, screens etc. and overall quality components.

 

[laptech]

I would rather buy a VR with 4K resolution, immersive sound system and be able to enjoy movies, use it as a monitor replacement etc. People are so focused on only comparing prices, but yet the Vision Pro has 21 sensors and cameras for input and then complain about the price (which is probably at cost or under). The same was said when the iPhone came, too expensive compared to the other phones, until people realised it was just so much more than other phones!

And this is where people are making the mistake. They are rubbishing Zuckerberg and the quest but then they go onto to list very specific requirements as to why the Vison Pro would suit them more so than the Quest. This is not what Zuckerberg is talking about. He is talking about a headset that caters for all needs, price, visual screen quality, sound quality that someone who has not tried or it not sure about VR, can go out and purchase a cheap unit to try it out. The Vison Pro is currently not built with all that in mind because the price is way to high. Once the price drops to a manageable price then yes we can all revisit the discussion about Apple's headset and other manufacturers headset.

 

[michelb76]

what else would he say lol. I guess this us-vs-them trope is doing well here.

 

[Pezimak]

The component cost of chips and computers has increased a lot. Apple has high margin on the iPhone as the market allows them, but on other components that are new products, they usually start at low margin above components because they know that the component cost will come down with increased volume. One thing Apple does is not skimp on is components, they make sure to have good speakers, cameras, screens etc. and overall quality components.

Not really, the M2 costs them peanuts as it’s in so many devices, the R1 they make themselves too. Cameras are cheap, really not worth a lot. the case is not worth much. The main cost are the internal screens, the external one is utterly pointless and may be good quality but it’s nothing new. Apple buys all its components in, they aren’t some sort of special magic Apple exclusive quality either, they fail just the same.
So it’s the internal displays are where the cost is. Most of the cost is the R&D of the device.

 

[genovelle]

Motte and bailey.

Sure, RIM got it wrong, and so did Nokia. They paid for it.

But not everybody got it wrong. Google didn't, and most importantly, the users didn't. The users recognized (me included) the immediate advantage of having this type of touch interface which let you have an all-screen phone, which was great. They jumped on the bandwagon, with iPhone or the Android phones, immediately.

No such thing happened with VR with the notable exception of the Valve Index. Even Meta, who's got the most popular product in the segment, cannot say it really flies off the shelves and it remains at niche adoption. At this stage, it's obvious that Meta's social-VR bet is a really expensive flop. There's no reason to think that people really want immersive social media.

This new Vision Pro device that you're sure will handsomely succeed cannot do the core function of VR, which has always been gaming. From a high-end device I'd expect a high-end gaming experience. Yeah, I get it, it's not VR, it's something else. Like what? A super high end photo viewer? Is that what the market wants?

Then many people are mistaken on the price. The original iPhone was $599, the Nexus One was $530. This wasn't out of the ordinary, compared to high end handsets at the time. Before the iPhone I had an Ericsson R380 which was a lot more expensive, followed by a Nokia E71 for which I paid about $700. When the iPhone came out, I didn't go "whooa this is way too expensive". It just wasn't.

But one will need quite a bit of disposable income to spend $3500 on a thing that's very slick and otherwise not sure.

At least the HomePod, which is technologically a very good product that was rendered nearly useless by the lack of connectivity and interoperability and thus was a big flop, isn't ridiculously overpriced.

Google also got it wrong. They initially believed the blackberry model was the way and pushed keypads heavily. The first Android device was the HTC Dream which could have easily been a blackberry device, was announced nearly 2 years later. They changed direction and announced the Nexus one in 2010. 3 years after the launch of the first iphone. An eternity in tech.

Vision Pro is a spacial computer that you can operate within your own space or a completely virtual space. It doesn’t require other devices to function even though it can work seamlessly with them.

As far as pricing goes your comparison is missing context. Apple released the $599 iPhone into a market where the average phone was $100 The HTC with a retail price of $179 was announced towards the end of 2008 nearly two years later and the Nexus was announce in January of 2010. Exactly 3 years later for the $530 you mentioned.

If you compare the first Android intended to compete with iphone, the iphone was 3.34 times more expensive but beat them handily. With headsets, the top Quest is 999. VisionPro is 3.5 times more expensive, but in the same way it’s not comparable.

 

[jingbugle]

Where the innovation is headed is only scary. More than this, Musk's brain machine interface with Neuralink is going to be much more advanced. Musk uses the argument that this is to offset the threat with AI and machines. What makes that future guaranteed is human greed and selfishness. Unfortunately, there is no solve for that.

 

[Bmoreguy03]

Sounds like a hater to me

 

[adib]

@adib

ANd with what benefit except looking stupid while working? And ignoring the fact that most productive Tasks still require MacBooks/Full Stack Applications and not iOS Apps.

The benefit of having multiple displays to run your apps. Sure, you can also buy multiple 4k displays and attach them to a mac, but this setup won't be as portable as the Vision Pro. Even multiple portable 4k displays (which would be ~15 inches each at this time of writing).

 

[kenny7]

When your competitor is so strong that you have to acknowledge that they’re only limited by the laws of physics.

 

[StevieD100]

Where the innovation is headed is only scary. More than this, Musk's brain machine interface with Neuralink is going to be much more advanced. Musk uses the argument that this is to offset the threat with AI and machines. What makes that future guaranteed is human greed and selfishness. Unfortunately, there is no solve for that.

Musk's brain thingy can't be removed/switched off. Once inside you, it is there for good. A headset can be removed.
There is no way that I'd let any device associated with Musk into my body. These things are opening up a whole new attack vector for hackers. Hack yours and you will do anything it tells you to do. That is the stuff of horror stories yet people will pay to be controlled by a musk bot? madness.

 

[iCyprus]

Zuck go fix WhatsApp bugs and leave Mother Apple alone. Thanks, bro.

 

[k1121j]

Jealous much

 

[Duncan-UK]

Regardless of what Facebook say, there is no denying the eye watering price of the vision pro. In the U.K. for example it’s going to be £4,000 after adding on value added tax.

Even if Apple have a cheaper gen 2 version it’s still only going to be relatively cheaper. Which means it will still be appallingly expensive.

Frankly I’m not interested until it gives me 95% of the capabilities for 25% of the cost.

 

[medazinol]

Damage control

 

[krbrock1]

this coming from a company that sells it's user data to a third party, got caught, and....yea, ok.

 

[cfountain72]

I've never had a Facebook account, nor have I ever used any of their products. But, from a philosophical point of view, he's not wrong. The Vision Pro appears to be an incredible device that pushes the boundaries of what anyone thought possible at this time. But Apple's own demo's highlighted the fact that, for better or worse, it basically isolates you into a world of your own. The Metaverse has always struck me as silly, but (setting aside their obvious business interests) its goal is/was to bring people together in a virtual environment. We will see if the Vision Pro evolves into a more social device...

 

[4odomi]

In a companywide meeting with employees today, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg responded to Apple's announcement of the Vision Pro, according to The Verge's Alex Heath. Zuckerberg said the Vision Pro has no "magical solutions" that Meta has not thought of, and "costs seven times more" than its recently-announced Quest 3 headset.

Zuckerberg added that Apple's announcement "really showcases the difference in the values and the vision that our companies bring to this," noting that Meta's goal is to offer products that are "accessible and affordable to everyone." Vision Pro will be priced at $3,499, while the Quest 3 will be priced at $499 and the Quest Pro costs $999.

Meta's goal with the metaverse is "fundamentally social," whereas the Vision Pro appears to be more isolating, according to Zuckerberg. He admitted that Apple's approach "could be the vision of the future of computing," but is "not the one that I want."

Zuckerberg's full comments, as reported by The Verge:Just days before WWDC, Meta previewed the Quest 3, its next-generation mixed reality headset. Launching later this year, the headset features a 40% slimmer and more comfortable design, a higher-resolution display, and up to twice the graphics performance as the Quest 2. The headset will start at $499 with 128GB of storage, and the company plans to share more details about it at an event on September 27.

Apple said the Vision Pro will be available in the U.S. in early 2024.

Article Link: Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'

Nothing Zuckerberg says, is worth listening to, he's just a self centred manipulator and is rarely anywhere near the truth!
Vision Pro has ensured, Apple will take at least 50% of quest buyers and he'll end up trying to give it away.
BTW "Accessible" means Cheap & "Cheap" means, Not very good (to put it mildly)

 

[Sami13496]

Meta crap is ”free” or ”cheap” because users are the product. Mark really thinks everyone are stupid huh? In addition they don’t even respect our privacy as advertised. We read about privacy problems and huge fines all the time in the news. I really hope EU bans Meta. I will never use any Meta products or services.

 

[laptech]

I have no doubt the designers of other vr/ar headsets could use all the high tech hardware that Apple has used but they don't because they realized to use such hardware would increase the cost of the headset therefore having to compromise. Apple know they never have a price problem with their products because they know their core fan base will buy Apple products regardless of the price and knowing that means they can go ahead and put expensive tech inside their headset.

 

[4odomi]

We can hate on LeZuck all we want but he has a valid point. He was probably scared Apple would make some revolutionary use for it (which they would have to copy) but in the end there’s nothing new. Just done much better. I think developers is what will make Vision Pro shine

It sounds like, either you didn't watch the Apple presentation or you don't know how the quest works 😏

 

[obviouslogic]

I don't like the man but it's true. There is not one killer app.

It doesn’t need one. The “killer” part is the experience of using all your normal apps in this type of environment.

The iPhone didn’t have a killer app when it debuted. It was a success because of the way it worked - multi-touch based that was flawlessly executed.

 

[bunce66]

Sounds almost exactly like Steve Ballmer when the iPhone was announced. Meta will be absolutely buried by Vision Pro.