Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'

[solq]

Google also got it wrong. They initially believed the blackberry model was the way and pushed keypads heavily. The first Android device was the HTC Dream which could have easily been a blackberry device, was announced nearly 2 years later. They changed direction and announced the Nexus one in 2010. 3 years after the launch of the first iphone. An eternity in tech.

It doesn’t matter, I wasn’t arguing who was first or who changed direction. Google understood immediately, like the users, and unlike Nokia and RIM, the way the market was going. They changed direction, and now Android is the #1 mobile platform.

My point was twofold. First, iPhone was a success, the only big success that Apple had after the iPod, it was properly understood by the market and its main competitor (Google). Not the case with Vision Pro, I get your enthusiasm but I think it’s misplaced and shallow. Second, the fact that the iPhone was a success doesn’t mean that the Vision Pro will be a success. Most Apple products are niche in fact, and some outright flopped.

Vision Pro is a spacial computer that you can operate within your own space or a completely virtual space. It doesn’t require other devices to function even though it can work seamlessly with them.

As far as pricing goes your comparison is missing context. Apple released the $599 iPhone into a market where the average phone was $100 The HTC

It’s amusing that you say I’m missing context when you’re missing the point completely.

I didn’t compare the iPhone with the average phone. The iPhone was a premium offering but it wasn’t particularly expensive compared to other premium offerings, and I gave you examples of phones I actually purchased, for which I paid more than the iPhone.

Even so, it was somewhat affordable in a way that a $3500 device simply is not.

You might get your kid an iPhone for Christmas, but for most people, a $3500 toy is simply crazy.

I’m not impressed with the “spatial computer” (you misspelt it) shtick. Sure, the Minority Report style photo viewing is very SciFi, but I don’t think it makes a good or even interesting product.

The one thing that hit me in the presentation was that those users seem incredibly alone, disconnected from the world, would be bored out of their minds with the device after a bit, and ultimately pathetic wearing that ridiculous mask.

 

[duervo]

I have no interest in either of their VR or AR products. They’re cool. They’re nifty. But it’s the type of thing that after a while, it’ll likely sit on the shelf unused in my home.

More valuable as an accessory for a Future Scuba Steve cosplay, IMO.

It’s just fun watching the show between the industry players now, and hilarious that Apple has decided to jump in. 🍿🍿🍿

 

[lysingur]

Let’s be real… what magical solutions has Zuckerberg offered to this world?

Facebook Ads, invading privacy, collecting users' data?

So Google and Meta are just supposed to not make money and offer their services free of charge to the world?

You need to get real if deep down inside that's where your expectation is at.

 

[chucker23n1]

He was probably scared Apple would make some revolutionary use for it (which they would have to copy) but in the end there’s nothing new. Just done much better.

"Nothing new, just done much better" describes most Apple products.

The Mac wasn't the first GUI, but it was the first really good GUI. The iPhone wasn't the first smartphone, nor the first touchscreen phone, but it was "done much better".

So, the Vision Pro is in good company there.

 

[robbietop]

You make it sound like you can have to choose one or the other. That's ridiculous. I can choose to sit on the couch alone for a couple of hours and enjoy some alone time, but at another point in time during the day meet with friends. It's not mutually exclusive. You are also making sweeping judgements without having spent 10 seconds with the device.

"Hey guys! Let's all go to the lake and wear our $3500 goggles and wave our arms around by ourselves!"

 

[robbietop]

It's a tool. If you see the tool and think "nihilism" that says more about you than the tool. I have a completely different vision, and am working on a creative project that is entirely about building real-world, actual community. This tool will help me do that. And the end product won't be virtual. It's truly social.

Have fun using your goggles with your "friends" at the lake

"Hi, we're totally not dorks right now wearing overpriced goggles at the lake looking at pictures and tidying up our file systems!"

 

[lysingur]

"Nothing new, just done much better" describes most Apple products.

The Mac wasn't the first GUI, but it was the first really good GUI. The iPhone wasn't the first smartphone, nor the first touchscreen phone, but it was "done much better".

So, the Vision Pro is in good company there.

You forgot to include Siri. 😂

 

[ninecows]

So 3000$ is the discount I get for letting that thing sell my thoughts to highest bid?

 

[lysingur]

Yeah right Mark. This is exactly like the iPhone keynote days. Everyone thought Windows CE and Blackberry were smartphones, the industry was complacent. Even if this 1st generation product isn't the hands of every interested person this is shifting the expectations. The original iPhone wasn't a mass mass mass product until 3G, exploded by 4, and talks of iPhone being a niche product evaporated. History is repeating itself right now, Mark - you're on the wrong side of history here.

So you're saying Vision Pro will only get more expensive like the iPhone but somehow it will explode when it is priced at more than $4K by ver. 4? 😂

The iPhone's success is in large part due to the App Store, which had matured by 2010, and along with 4G, iPhone 4 can be said to be in the right place at the right time. The lack of apps is what caused the downfall of the Windows Phone, despite it being more technically impressive than its Android counterparts. I'm afraid Vision Pro is more or less on the same trajectory. It's really bizarre that people are heaping praises on Vision Pro despite Apple's inability to improve the much less technically involved Siri under Tim Cook. For a company that can't fix its voice assistant, you really think it's going to have a wild success on its AR headset? Seriously?

 

[snoonw]

I have been using VR for 6yrs now. i started with daydream on pixel2 phones even even samsung had gear VR which was basically facebook gave to samsung similar to quest 2 now but the resolution was lower and now i have the quest 2. so i was hoping there was much more i could do with the quest 2 compared to daydream from 6yrs back and to my surprise it is almost the same functionality. I was very disappoined with my quest 2.

I also saw the presentation of vision pro and it is basically the same functionality as the daydream from 6yrs back so there is nothing new here too.

meta verse will not take off for another 100yrs the reason is simple its immersive but not to the level it feels u r there in the room with someone else

 

[currocj]

He's right except for 1 thing: resolution.

 

[TechnoMonk]

I’ve seen a few people make this comparison, but it’s not really accurate to do so.

Microsoft didn’t already have a phone of their own, let alone a revolutionary touchscreen one, when the iPhone came out.

If he were saying VR/AR wasn’t the future, then it’d be comparable. But, it’s quit the opposite actually. The guy literally bet his whole company on it.

There were plenty of windows phones. You must have never heard of Samsung blackjack. A Windows Blackberry clone by Samsung, which had real keyboard, exchange integration and some apps.Motorola had few windows phones too.

 

[code-m]

I have been using VR for 6yrs now. i started with daydream on pixel2 phones even even samsung had gear VR which was basically facebook gave to samsung similar to quest 2 now but the resolution was lower and now i have the quest 2. so i was hoping there was much more i could do with the quest 2 compared to daydream from 6yrs back and to my surprise it is almost the same functionality. I was very disappoined with my quest 2.

I also saw the presentation of vision pro and it is basically the same functionality as the daydream from 6yrs back so there is nothing new here too.

meta verse will not take off for another 100yrs the reason is simple its immersive but not to the level it feels u r there in the room with someone else

Well only two senses are being captured a more immersive sight and sound, touch, smell and taste are omissions but who knows when this product grows tactile feedback might be possible and smell/taste.

If Apple had all this now where else could the product improve after every generation just look at the iPhone it took over 15 years to get us here and some features are still not standard like on competitors. 😝

 

[code-m]

He's right except for 1 thing: resolution.

Zberg is just acting like the elder child when a baby is born there is a lack of attention on the elder child so their act out pretending everything is okay but reality is insecurity and that is evident here.

 

[ticzon]

Jobs address the prices on computers:

 

[code-m]

You forgot to include Siri. 😂

I don’t use any voice assistant so it’s all the same to me a void.

 

[neuropsychguy]

Have fun using your goggles with your "friends" at the lake

"Hi, we're totally not dorks right now wearing overpriced goggles at the lake looking at pictures and tidying up our file systems!"

You could take it to the lake with your friends and take some pictures and video. Then you could put it away and hang out more. If there's down-time, maybe you put it back on. People don't have to be social all the time.

 

[code-m]

Jobs address the prices on computers:

Maybe he was also considering inflation. I would not be surprised if Apple was looking to price VisionPro at $2499 but decided with inflation and other rising cost of manufacturing and a healthy profit margin and support/development for a new product it went $1K more to be a viable product line.

Have to factor in discounts from 3rd party after weeks from release, refurb pricing, corporate volume pricing etc it makes sense. Kuo mentioned an affordable Vision headset being developed maybe that will be priced at $2499 and lower with the aforementioned discounts.

Who needs a foldable, flip or rollable phone when one can dial into reality or out of in seconds. No more bent necks and heads staring at a screen people will be sporting the new ski goggle tan lines. 😁

 

[code-m]

You could take it to the lake with your friends and take some pictures and video. Then you could put it away and hang out more. If there's down-time, maybe you put it back on. People don't have to be social all the time.

People on this forum think that everything Apple releases is for them and complain when their are unable to afford it with hyperbolic scenarios 😝

I would gather some of these forum posters are walking AppleStores opening up their trench coat in summer asking if you want to see what products their have 🤪

 

[lysingur]

People on this forum think that everything Apple releases is for them and complain when their are unable to afford it with hyperbolic scenarios 😝

I would gather some of these forum posters are walking AppleStores opening up their trench coat in summer asking if you want to see what products their have 🤪

And you seem to think everything people say on this forum is for you. Strange how that works, no?🤣🤣🤣

 

[djphat2000]

It's more like the other way around.

Vision Pro is no iPhone. It's more akin to those prohibitively expensive Macs introduced by Apple under John Sculley. If Apple insists on a high-profit margin above all else when it comes to Vision Pro and its future iterations, it will lose its chance of ever becoming a dominant player in AR/VR.

Steve Jobs learned from his mistakes and applied the lessons to the development and marketing of the original iPhone. Alas, these lessons were again lost on Tim Cook, who was so eager to head off potential competitors in Meta that he inadvertently led Apple in the same direction as Meta. Vision Pro is technically impressive but isn't a paradigm-shifter like the iPhone was. Finger gestures and touchscreen change the way we interact with our phones. You can't say the same about Vision Pro. The development of Vision Pro was so rushed that there is hardly any stock app specifically created for it. Hardly any games. Hardly any specific use case Apple can come up with in its marketing.

Why people think it's Apple's next cash cow like the iPhone was is anybody's guess.

Have you used it? AFAIK. No one outside of those demos have used it to provide any insight into the product (especially Mark).
For those that have demoed it. Have all basically stated the same thing. It's a wearable computer that provides as advertised AR experience. Better than any other they have used. It's still not yet available to know what we saw is "it" or if there will be any changes.

There is one application that stuck out to me "DJ by Algorithm". For the price Apple is charging. I would purchase it so long as I can get very low latency audio out of the device to a sound system. I wouldn't need 2 or more turntables, a mixer or a laptop/ipad/computer. Mic and headphones, monitors. All of which can cost well over $3500.

The added benefit of it being an extension of my desktop with a supersized screen. I have limited space for a large monitor let alone two or more. And when I want to watch a movie away from home or while traveling.

Apple will sell a million of these easy.

 

[Wahlstrm]

M.Z has been trying to convince the world for a decade now that they need this at a price point of about $350 and people have mostly laughed at him.

Apple coming out now saying it’s should cost at least $3500 is the biggest win M.Z has had in a long time.

99.5% of humanity can’t afford Apple’s version and M.Z sells the one they can and for a huge majority his version will be more than “good enough”.

 

[talhashah]

Won't buy anything from Facebook and can't afford Visio Pro. My only magical solution is to live and experience real life like real life.

 

[5232152]

I will argue this:
- metaverse and all other "VR social media" are a niche at best dead end most likely
- VR has some appeal to gaming but still a niche (at least now). Has been tried so many times and never really caught on.
- VR has use in design and architecture... and that's also a niche!
- porn? Niche.

So far I have yet to hear anyone say ANY major selling points for ANY VR sets. Apple has made a good product but at best the customer base will be as microscopic as the Mac Pro base. If not less, because again... niche. Very few people have need for it. I will actually bet a lot of orders that will be placed would be out of curiosity and not out of actual needs.

Apple has stagnated under Cook's leadership that lacks imagination and has shifted somewhat into a service provider rather than a manufacturer. It has yet to release ANY game-changing product under Cook, so far it has been gradual improvements and gimmicks.

That’s kind of what this whole conversation is, right. Zuckerberg was doing exactly that.

Pretty certain he was comparing Oculus with Vision Pro.

 

[jinnj]

this isn't a iPhone though, its a 3500 bucks device that has 2 hours of battery life that's seeking to solve problems that don't exist.

Like every cellular manufacturer back then. "All people want is to make calls!" RIP Nokia