Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'

[zach-coleman]

Oh Mark Mark Mark. Did you learn NOTHING from Steve Ballmer's reaction to the first iPhone?

History is repeating itself yet again.

What else can he even do, though? They have no short term ability to copy anything like this, and I don’t think they have a long term ability either… gonna be hard to sell a device at $3500 without links to an existing ecosystem. In a Quest all you get is Facebook Messenger and Discord (via web browser) to speak to people on the outside…

 

[anthogag]

Sure, Facebook guy needs to make Quest 3 a piece of junk because it needs to be cheap so they can suck data and destroy privacy from as many users as possible, it’s their business model…make money from their users

 

[onFIRE]

No one trusts you Zuck and no one thinks Facebook is cool.

 

[dugbug]

this isn't a iPhone though, its a 3500 bucks device that has 2 hours of battery life that's seeking to solve problems that don't exist.

What problem was the iphone solving? Balmer had a phone for $99 and it had copy and paste!

 

[blazerunner]

To be fair, Apple's Vision is just a rich mans novelty toy. What practical use does it currently have? What problem does it solve that any of us need fixing for $3,500?

But go on, praise Apple for some reason!

 

[zach-coleman]

this isn't a iPhone though, its a 3500 bucks device that has 2 hours of battery life that's seeking to solve problems that don't exist.

iPhone 1G, notably a device that was never criticized for poor battery life!

 

[rjjacobson]

Let’s be real… what magical solutions has Zuckerberg offered to this world?

Facebook Ads, invading privacy, collecting users' data?

Precisely Zukerbergs bull about offering a cheap solution, yeah and instead in his pay me later model exactly what you said @TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ those are the costs to any users no thanks I want none of that.

 

[Rradcircless]

$399 headset from a company that makes billions mining user’s data.

$3,499 headset from a company that prides itself on user privacy, even with the cost of an utterly incompetent virtual assistant.

You buy what you pay for.

 

[klasma]

I’m very curious what he honestly means by the concept of the apple device being isolating,

I suspect he’s alluding to the fact that Apple didn’t show any use case of people interacting in a shared 3D environment. The only in-VR interaction was FaceTime, which basically is just talking heads. So he doesn’t see Apple infringing on his Metaverse vision of full-body avatar 3D presence, which he probably perceives as less isolating.

 

[spaz8]

Its really gonna come down to content.. and someone building a solid eco-system.. and perhaps killer app. I though given the amount of time the Vision Pro has been under wraps that there might be more of one than they showed. If only apple still made mac's that could do 3d for this spatial computing future lol.

 

[Whywutt]

But Apple doesn’t require a Facebook account; worth the price of admission

Nor does Meta Quest any more. First thing I did was delete me Facebook account 😂 Although to be fair, I dare say under the bonnet, a Meta account is still a "Facebook" account.

 

[deathcab]

More importantly, our vision for the metaverse and presence is fundamentally social. It’s about people interacting in new ways and feeling closer in new ways. Our device is also about being active and doing things. By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself. I mean, that could be the vision of the future of computing, but like, it’s not the one that I want. There’s a real philosophical difference in terms of how we’re approaching this.

So, uh, FaceTime video conferencing with loved ones (along with hyper-realistic 3D generated avatars) in other locations isn't about enabling the ability to interact "in new ways and feeling closer in new ways" in the same way that... chatting using cartoon, non-realistic armless and legless avatars in a virtual world of advertisements does?

Is Cuckerberg insinuating that the point of VR (let alone his product) to allow people to hang out in person using it? In my view, VR is intended to be a replacement for interacting with people and experiences that aren't otherwise physically possible at that specific time or location. If you're somewhere not "by yourself" where you could physically interact and do the things in the real world that you're doing in the VR world at the time, why are you using VR at that moment to begin with?

 

[haiggy]

sounds like cope

 

[zach-coleman]

I suspect he’s alluding to the fact that Apple didn’t show any use case of people interacting in a shared 3D environment. The only in-VR interaction was FaceTime, which basically is just talking heads. So he doesn’t see Apple infringing on his Metaverse vision of full-body avatar 3D interaction, which he probably perceives as less isolating.

You’re completely right, I had forgotten about this.

 

[Contact_Feanor]

" It’s about people interacting in new ways and feeling closer in new ways. Our device is also about being active and doing things. By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself. I mean, that could be the vision of the future of computing, but like, it’s not the one that I want."

how does he think people use his product exactly?

 

[CapitalIdea]

If anything, the Vision Pro will help sell Quests-- for a while at least.

When little Jimmy gets excited about the Vision Pro and can't have one because it's over $3000, he's going to have to settle for the cheaper option if he wants any kind of VR experience.

Nope. No kid wants the Toshiba Handibook.

 

[Criss P.]

In a companywide meeting with employees today, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg responded to Apple's announcement of the Vision Pro, according to The Verge's Alex Heath. Zuckerberg said the Vision Pro has no "magical solutions" that Meta has not thought of, and "costs seven times more" than its recently-announced Quest 3 headset.

Zuckerberg added that Apple's announcement "really showcases the difference in the values and the vision that our companies bring to this," noting that Meta's goal is to offer products that are "accessible and affordable to everyone." Vision Pro will be priced at $3,499, while the Quest 3 will be priced at $499 and the Quest Pro costs $999.

Meta's goal with the metaverse is "fundamentally social," whereas the Vision Pro appears to be more isolating, according to Zuckerberg. He admitted that Apple's approach "could be the vision of the future of computing," but is "not the one that I want."

Zuckerberg's full comments, as reported by The Verge:Just days before WWDC, Meta previewed the Quest 3, its next-generation mixed reality headset. Launching later this year, the headset features a 40% slimmer and more comfortable design, a higher-resolution display, and up to twice the graphics performance as the Quest 2. The headset will start at $499 with 128GB of storage, and the company plans to share more details about it at an event on September 27.

Apple said the Vision Pro will be available in the U.S. in early 2024.

Article Link: Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'

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‘They bark, Sancho, a sign that we’re moving’...​

 

[dampfnudel]

Translation: Why did Apple have to give me another headache.

 

[NovaNation07]

Zuck's Ballmer Moment ftw

 

[rjjacobson]

Overall not saying he is wrong with the pricing, but I chuckle at this statement "We innovate to make sure that our products are as accessible and affordable to everyone as possible, and that is a core part of what we do."

Right, because with Meta YOU are the product.

Precisely in a consumer world there are two paths… pay me now (apple way and you get a lot of value and respect for privacy ect) or pay me later—- by letting me sell you as the product and invade your privacy.

 

[klasma]

What problem was the iphone solving? Balmer had a phone for $99 and it had copy and paste!

To be fair, I only started considering buying an iPhone once it had copy & paste.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

What else can he even do, though? They have no short term ability to copy anything like this, and I don’t think they have a long term ability either… gonna be hard to sell a device at $3500 without links to an existing ecosystem. In a Quest all you get is Facebook Messenger and Discord (via web browser) to speak to people on the outside…

When Google saw the original iPhone, they scrapped all their previous mobile OS plans and went back to the drawing board to create Android. Google were the only ones who took the iPhone seriously while every other phone maker laughed at it, and that's why Android shares a duopoly with iOS nowadays while Blackberry, Windows Phone, and Amazon Fire Phone are all dead platforms, and feature phones became a niche.

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The right answer would've been to congratulate Apple on the reveal publicly, but interally go back and rethink your approach. But of course Mark won't do that since he's on his Ready Player One LARP arc and wants to recreate the Oasis so badly, to the point he renamed his company and bet the farm on it, burning billions every quarter.

The moment the consumer model Apple Vision arrives, is when Mark's hubris is gonna come in full display.

 

[Analog Kid]

Zuckerberg said the Vision Pro has no "magical solutions" that Meta has not thought of

"We thought about all that stuff, Apple just actually did it. That's the only difference."

"People, sitting on sofas, quietly keeping their data to themselves... It was so sad for me..."

 

[Quu]

Meta's VR/AR ambitions will be dead by 2030. This is Nokia, Blackberry and Windows Mobile vs the iPhone all over again.

I suspect only Google combined with the hardware of Samsung will compete and end up a second fiddle to the Apple Vision series of headsets in the coming years, as per usual.

 

[surfzen21]

The Zuck also thinks he can surf and the Hawaiian people welcomed him with open arms, so its clear nothing coming out of his mouth is true.