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Mark Zuckerberg Says Apple Vision Pro Has No 'Magical Solutions'
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But Apple did address some issues common with headsets.
The 4K screens get rid of the screen door effect.
High latency make many nauseous after prolonged use of existing VR headsets. Vision Pro's latency is 12ms.
Early reviews also suggest that Vision Pro's tracking of eyes, hands, and fingers is spot-on accurate, something that Meta has yet to crack.
Being able to see the user's eyes via passthrough, that I could take or leave. If a non-pro model cuts that feature and also cuts the price, I'll happily accept that tradeoff.
Zuck's comments about his 'vision' of the future of computing being social is entirely self-serving. His company's business model depends on it. After he absolved himself of any and all responsibility for Facebook's role in societal turmoil in recent years, I don't believe for a second that he's doing any of this out of the goodness of his own heart. The only 'vision' he has is of dollar signs.
The 4K screens get rid of the screen door effect.
High latency make many nauseous after prolonged use of existing VR headsets. Vision Pro's latency is 12ms.
Early reviews also suggest that Vision Pro's tracking of eyes, hands, and fingers is spot-on accurate, something that Meta has yet to crack.
Being able to see the user's eyes via passthrough, that I could take or leave. If a non-pro model cuts that feature and also cuts the price, I'll happily accept that tradeoff.
Zuck's comments about his 'vision' of the future of computing being social is entirely self-serving. His company's business model depends on it. After he absolved himself of any and all responsibility for Facebook's role in societal turmoil in recent years, I don't believe for a second that he's doing any of this out of the goodness of his own heart. The only 'vision' he has is of dollar signs.
Maybe i really do not need a facebook on my headset. Comon i dont care about community, fake profiles and silly adverts and tiktok stupidities on my headset. It is a personal experience i will enjoy myself. Apple was never a company for budget concious people still then been successful.
Zuckerberg can be affordable together with android shi* because they know they cannot comlete witg apple on higher segments.
Zuckerberg can be affordable together with android shi* because they know they cannot comlete witg apple on higher segments.
I know it’s popular to hate on Facebook. My guess is, a lot of the Facebook haters here still have Facebook or Instagram accounts. People love to hate on them, but very few people will actually put their money where their mouths are…and delete their accounts.
What “magical” solution has Facebook offered the world? None. Just like Apple and all the rest. None of these solutions are “magic”. They are technology. Magic is a stupid word to describe technology. Facebook has built a platform that connects almost half the people on Earth, though. What have all the armchair pundits on Mac Rumors offered the world?
I could have not said it any better @Rradcircless I have always argued I get tons more value from Apple products in terms of quality (long term usability) and security and privacy so I am willing to pay for those things.
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Zuckerberg.. pay attention. This one is for you.
Menwhile in Menlo Park, the Zuck was spotted practicing a new Jiu Jitsu move he created:
If they were smart, they would do this. But even if they do, I don't think he could just walk on stage on today, June 8th, and say "We screwed up. Time to go back to the drawing board!" Especially after the flop of the Quest Pro, they can't really afford to abandon and restart their plans openly right now. That didn't work out well for Sega.When Google saw the original iPhone, they scrapped all their previous mobile OS plans and went back to the drawing board to create Android. Google were the only ones who took the iPhone seriously while every other phone maker laughed at it, and that's why Android shares a duopoly with iOS nowadays while Blackberry, Windows Phone, and Amazon Fire Phone are all dead platforms, and feature phones became a niche.
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The right answer would've been to congratulate Apple on the real publicly, but interally go back and rethink your approach. But of course Mark won't do that since he's on his Ready Player One LARP arc and wants to recreate the Oasis so badly, to the point he renamed his company and bet the farm on it, burning billions every quarter.
The moment the consumer model Apple Vision arrives, is when Mark's hubris is gonna come in full display.
The comparison is funny - what Meta wants is "virtually social" so, everyone sitting on their couch, talking to virtual friends, playing with virtual pets and decorating their virtual spaces. Apple's solution is meant to augment the world around you, while still keeping you connected with the real people occupying the same space.
The apple headset will have a "metaverse" - as some enterprising developer will create one, or existing ones will come over like Roblox or VRChat.
I think ultimately Apple made the right trade-offs (Basically...price.) I don't use my Quest currently because of the hoops I have to jump through every time I put it on (are you sitting or standing? need to redraw the guardian? You moved your chair over 1 foot, lets reconfirm your space.) Then also for whatever reason I can't just update the headset without putting it on, so my usage is to start 45 minutes before I actually want to use it and check for updates, and manually update apps. Then it is finally ready, I have to double tap to activate the barely passable passthrough mode to find the controllers that are right in front of me, then an hour later, I can play a VR game. Defaulting to AR is what will let Apple win this fight.
And...they are bringing the universe of iOS and iPad apps to the headset on day one, in addition to supporting Unity and having some really awesome new developer frameworks to create content for existing iOS developers. And they have the one killer app of extending your mac's display right out of the box (This exists for the Quest, but the resolution and screen door effect make it basically unusable.)
The apple headset will have a "metaverse" - as some enterprising developer will create one, or existing ones will come over like Roblox or VRChat.
I think ultimately Apple made the right trade-offs (Basically...price.) I don't use my Quest currently because of the hoops I have to jump through every time I put it on (are you sitting or standing? need to redraw the guardian? You moved your chair over 1 foot, lets reconfirm your space.) Then also for whatever reason I can't just update the headset without putting it on, so my usage is to start 45 minutes before I actually want to use it and check for updates, and manually update apps. Then it is finally ready, I have to double tap to activate the barely passable passthrough mode to find the controllers that are right in front of me, then an hour later, I can play a VR game. Defaulting to AR is what will let Apple win this fight.
And...they are bringing the universe of iOS and iPad apps to the headset on day one, in addition to supporting Unity and having some really awesome new developer frameworks to create content for existing iOS developers. And they have the one killer app of extending your mac's display right out of the box (This exists for the Quest, but the resolution and screen door effect make it basically unusable.)
That kind of makes me chuckle. Okay, your teams explored and "thought of" these ideas, but did they deliver on them? It's like someone saying in response to the unveiling of the iPhone, "I thought of that too!!" Okay, but did you make it? No, Apple did. Someone needs to tell him you don't get credit for "thinking of" what would make an amazing product, you get credit for executing on it.
’Ol Zuck sounds defensive here. Apple‘s Vision Pro leverages an ecosystem and ties to people’s everyday life. No, it’s not for everyone - and it doesn’t need to be. Zuck’s add revenues are not what they once were and he’s had two rounds of haircuts to his over-bloated workforce And he’s bet the farm on this Metaverse thing that has seen less than spectacular uptake. Wonderboy’s baloon is deflating ….hissssssss
Zucc's about to get his meats smoked and he knows it.
This is exactly the same way I feel about the Quest 2 as a fellow owner. I think people who have never owned a current VR headset truly don't understand how inept the software of the Quest is. And that's the only standalone headset that is any real competition to Apple. The PSVR and Index aren't even in the running here.
There will be tons of people ahead of him. I've worked in electronic manufacturing long enough to know that when a new product comes out, the first people to get their hands on it are it's competition who want to dismantle it to see how it's made and what parts are used. iFixit will get their hands on one to break it down into it's individual parts as it's done with lots other Apple products. Then it will be youtubers who will do the same thing as iFixit, make a video of it being broken down to it's individual parts. Then what ever is left will go to genuine users.
No, what he means is that at Meta they are trying to build a 'place' where people socialise virtually. So you sit at home, put on the headset and you go to some Jetsons-style plaza, our lounge or cinema or whatever. You hang out with your social circle on Meta's 'property'. So, just like Facebook really, but with 3D graphics - they're harvesting users, herding them into their manipulation zones. On the Quest they've been trying it all kinds of ways over the years, but it's the same core objective every time.
Apple didn't showcase anything like that at all, it's was actually much better IMHO. You just brought FaceTime callers into your own space (your actual house), not into some 3rd party space full of ads and exploitation. It's kinda 'social' but private, like real social interactions are. It's a pretty stark difference between the two. Zuck just can't understand why/how people could socialise without him being there to mush them together like dolls.
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Too stiff a price for me, but I imagine there are countless scenarios where a device like this could be fantastically useful. For example, imagine an architect being able to design and demonstrate a photorealistic 3D environment with one of these things. Engineering component design and visualisation could be much easier. Virtual tours of just about anywhere on Earth. I only thought about it for a minute but I imagine there will be many applications for this device.
I think it's so funny he said "we explored and thought of" these issues/solutions too. Okay, good job "thinking of" solving these problems I guess. But there's a pretty big difference between "thinking of" solving these problems and actually solving them, and Apple actually solved them.
The guy is a totalitarian militant freak.
In a companywide meeting with employees today, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg responded to Apple's announcement of the Vision Pro, according to The Verge's Alex Heath. Zuckerberg said the Vision Pro has no "magical solutions" that Meta has not thought of, and "costs seven times more" than its recently-announced Quest 3 headset.
Zuckerberg added that Apple's announcement "really showcases the difference in the values and the vision that our companies bring to this," noting that Meta's goal is to offer products that are "accessible and affordable to everyone." Vision Pro will be priced at $3,499, while the Quest 3 will be priced at $499 and the Quest Pro costs $999.
Meta's goal with the metaverse is "fundamentally social," whereas the Vision Pro appears to be more isolating, according to Zuckerberg. He admitted that Apple's approach "could be the vision of the future of computing," but is "not the one that I want."
Zuckerberg's full comments, as reported by The Verge:Just days before WWDC, Meta previewed the Quest 3, its next-generation mixed reality headset. Launching later this year, the headset features a 40% slimmer and more comfortable design, a higher-resolution display, and up to twice the graphics performance as the Quest 2. The headset will start at $499 with 128GB of storage, and the company plans to share more details about it at an event on September 27.
Apple said the Vision Pro will be available in the U.S. in early 2024.
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I presume Meta is talking about social interaction in the online world, but when it comes to interaction in the physical world, the Vision Pro strikes me as a more "social" device.
Transparency allows a Vision Pro user to "see" people and places in front of them and the external display allows people to "see" the eyes of the person wearing the Vision Pro. In comparison, the Quest blocks all physical vision of the wearer as well as the people in front of them.
I mean, one of the nicest features of the Vision Pro is that it isn't a Meta product. Let's see Zuck match THAT feature.
Mark is the new Steve Balmer post the first iPhone announcement.
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Believe it or not, Zuckerberg wants a world where he gets all your personal data every time you put his headset on.
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oh someone there is playing on world's tiniest violin 🤣
I had not grasped this when I made my comment but I see what he means now. I think there is room for these kinds of spaces (see VRChat, Rec Room) but the rancid amounts of commercialization that is opened up by them make me wary. I prefer Apple's approach where the default OS does not go into this use case, but I presume that third party software will be able to.