iMessage is a protocol that uses end to end encryption, the Message app, uses both sms and iMessage.
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Mark Zuckerberg: WhatsApp Is 'Far More Private and Secure' Than iMessage
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I don't like Meta nor Zuckerberg either but has there been a report from a legit security third party about various Messaging Apps that also keeps update with all the App updates. I know that I can find reports from beginning of the years but Apps and security features change constantly and therefore I was looking for a third party blogger/organization/YouTuber etc. who actually checks their claims with every single update. Did someone come across such blogger/organization/YouTuber etc?
People here need to look at the facts and the technologies, rather than the personalities and brand loyalties.
WhatsApp is "far more private and secure" than Apple's iMessage platform, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has claimed in a new Instagram post.
In a post sharing a Meta billboard in New York City promoting WhatsApp over SMS or iMessage, Zuckerberg said WhatsApp is far better for privacy-concerned users thanks to its end-to-end encryption, ability to set messages to disappear after a set period of time, and its availability across multiple platforms.
Apple and Meta have had an ongoing rivalry for some time, with the tension between the two tech giants growing more recently. Meta has accused Apple of hurting small businesses and its ads business by introducing measures that allow iPhone users to opt out of tracking in apps and websites across other websites.
In a meeting with staff, Zuckerberg said Meta's competition with Apple is "very deep" and "philosophical," pointing to the increasingly competitive AR/VR space which Apple is expected to officially enter with a headset early next year.
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You really don't get the whole blue-bubble, green-bubble thing do you?
If iMessage were completely end-to-end encrypted there would be no green bubbles, and iMessage would not send to devices that are not Apple, defaulting to SMS.
And for those who say that "only Google does RCS [and not the carriers]" that's ridiculous too, cause "only Apple" does iMessage E2EE.
Interview with Signal's president Meredith Whittaker about encryption and being a non-profit https://www.theverge.com/23409716/s...ms-meredith-whittaker-imessage-whatsapp-china
Messages sent via Apple’s Messages from one iPhone to another are blue. RCS would not be sent via Apple’s Messages, it would be sent via the carrier so, just like SMS/MMS, RCS would also be green. I may actually understand the bubble thing better than you.
Only Apple does Messages. Apple’s fine with that and are not trying to get anyone to adopt Messages. Only Google in the US does Google RCS. Google desperately wants Apple to adopt Google RCS, but that’s not going to happen. As this marketing effort is a waste of money and Google’s shutting down projects left and right, my money’s on Google getting bored with this and giving up eventually.
RCS is essentially the successor of MMS, which is in the process of being shut down by some carriers because in most markets it was not very successful. And almost since the beginning of smartphones there was WhatsApp (started in 2009), which could do everything what MMS could be cheaper. iMessage launched two years later. And RCS was launched the first time in 2012/13 but it failed against WhatsApp and other services. Google bought one company behind RCS and pushed the standard. But it relies on the carriers to be supported or not. So it doesn't really depend on Google for RCS to work, supporting RCS is just like supporting MMS or SMS. The advantage is, that Google also started supporting end to end encryption with RCS. I think Apple should implement the support for RCS the same way I think that Apple should support Opus and OpenDocument (beyond TextEdit).
“Google RCS” is NOT the successor of MMS. RCS absolutely was expected to be and, up until 2021, Verizon, AT&T and T-mobile were focused on their CCMI which would have made RCS a thing for the three big US carriers. In 2021, they decided, for whatever reason, to not complete that work.
Precisely. And, unfortunately for those that would like to see RCS supported, the US carriers do NOT support it. And, it looks like they have no intent to support it. Even the RCS page at the official GSM website hasn’t been updated for years, so other than Google, there’s no expansion of RCS happening.
Who said I don't do security updates?
My phone is always up to date...
I said that when it happened there were no updates or changes involved.
Hahaha... I bet that Apple can do a lot of things on your phone remotely.
The thing is that I am not relying on iCloud backups... the fact that Apple have sms messages and iMessages older than two years and I never enabled iCloud messages it's a big concern.
Check your Messages settings. I remember having to set it to store all my messages forever. Does it default to “Forever” now?
You can change go in and change it to 30 days now and everything older than 30 days should fall off.
Settings > Messages > scroll down to “Keep Messages” and change it to 30 days.
Thank you for bringing some balanced and rational thinking to the table. The whole world needs more of this right now.
It's possible for people you disagree with to actual have some knowledge and be right every now and then... shocker.
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Messages sent via Apple’s Messages from one iPhone to another are blue. RCS would not be sent via Apple’s Messages, it would be sent via the carrier so, just like SMS/MMS, RCS would also be green. I may actually understand the bubble thing better than you.
You stated
"iMessage only sends messages to other folks with iPhones"
That is factually incorrect.
iMessage sends messages to Android. Using SMS. Unsecured.
Google doesn't desperately want anything, any more than I desperately want you to adopt USB 4. It's a standard, and Apple should use it for greater security.
No, you are incorrect. The “message” app sends messages utilizing iMessage or SMS. iMessage only activates when another Apple device is being utilized. Go try and text someone who uses an Android device. The text box will show “Text Message” instead of “iMessage.”
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No, the carrier supports sending messages to Android. Apple’s iMessage network only delivers to other iPhones. There is no way for an Android phone to receive an iMessage (there’s even a setting specific to disabling iMessage). What you’re referring to is likely Apple’s Messages app which is separate from Apple’s iMessage network in that you can turn off iMessage and still send and receive SMS messages.
No, Google really desparately wants and needs Apple to validate their “Google RCS” (not RCS, but a modification of the standard) decision, and ONLY in the US.
Every opportunity they get, they’re talking about Apple supporting it when they should simply update their iOS app to use ”Google RCS”! The only thing they’re likely to accomplish is confusing a number of people in the US (again, because they’re not advertising this worldwide) into thinking that “RCS“ is the same as ”Google RCS”. But, that confusion doesn‘t change the fact that RCS, as a standard used in the US, died over a year ago When the US carriers decided to drop it.
This refers to what is kept on my device.
Deleted messages older than 2 years were kept in iCloud without my consent.
I never enabled iCloud messages, and suddenly iCloud messages is enabled and sms messages and iMessages older than two years started syncing on my devices.
This corporations can't be trusted.
iMessage does not rely on sms when it's to another iMessage user. It falls back to it for non-apple people (that's the green vs blue)
Ah that famous Silicon Valley Bro culture at it's best.
Exactly - in green instead of blue, and you can disable the SMS fallback in settings.
Yes, but if there’s only 30 days of messages on your device, there shouldn’t be MORE than 30 days of messages on your device synched anywhere. If you don’t have that set for 30 days, then there could be any number of messages still in iCloud from any device that you have connected to that iCloud account.
For now, though, if you don’t want messages older than 2 years kept, you need to change that setting on your phone.
Lets be honest iMessage is mostly ripped off from Whatsapp.
Whatsapp > Blue and Green bubbles
Whatsapp > Blue and Green bubbles
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Great interview that outlines the issues with Whatsapp: https://www.theverge.com/23409716/s...ms-meredith-whittaker-imessage-whatsapp-china