Marvel Cinematic Universe Discussion

[kazmac]

@Huntn Bucky appears in Captain America The First Avenger, Captain America The Winter Soldier, Captain America Civil War, Black Panther*, Avengers Infinity War*, Avengers Endgame* and the upcoming The Falcon and The Winter Soldier series. He may appear in

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Black Widow in flashback and I'd honestly be surprised if he does not show up in some form (Given his ties to the Hydra MCU version of the Red Room.)

As much as I love the WS/Bucky character from the comics and The MCU, I feel like he received a complete arc in the movies, and am content if they send him off in the D+series.

*Cameos

 

[Huntn]

@Huntn Bucky appears in Captain America The First Avenger, Captain America The Winter Soldier, Captain America Civil War, Black Panther*, Avengers Infinity War*, Avengers Endgame* and the upcoming The Falcon and The Winter Soldier series. He may appear in

Spoiler

Black Widow in flashback and I'd honestly be surprised if he does not show up in some form (Given his ties to the Hydra MCU version of the Red Room.)

As much as I love the WS/Bucky character from the comics and The MCU, I feel like he received a complete arc in the movies, and am content if they send him off in the D+series.

*Cameos

Thanks sincerely!

 

[JayMysterio]

Since it got me thinking, I thought I'd make the quick list of favorite Marvel movies.

1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
2. Thor: Ragnarok
3. Black Panther
4. Antman & Wasp ( I have no idea why I like this movie so much, except for Wasp )
5. Captain America: Civil War ( I so love the twist in story after the airport )
6. Avengers: Endgame
7. Guardians of the Galaxy
8. Iron Man 3
9. ... I'm really reaching for more. Uh... GoTG 2
10. Spider - Man: Homecoming ( Michael Keaton makes it, and the recreation of the comic book scene with Peter lifting the rubble off of himself. Holland's cries really sell that Spider - Man is still a kid. )

One of the things I've noticed is that movies that were big favorites of mine, because of over saturation on TV, I look back on them now less fondly. I loved Guardians & Spider - Man, but seeing them so often on TV drops them from all time favorites.

I also realized that the list I made was MCU focused per the thread title, and not just Marvel in general. Using all Marvel movies my list changes a bit though.

1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
2. Deadpool 2
3. Spider - Man: Into the Spider Verse
4. Thor: Ragnarok
5. Black Panther
6. Deadpool
7. Captain America: Civil War
8. Avengers: Endgame ( Because of #1, "On your left" was my favorite moment of a Marvel movie )
9. The Incredible Hulk ( I actually like Ed Norton as Banner. I see Banner as being more d***ish, over the nice guy version Mark Ruffalo plays. )
10. The Amazing Spider - Man 2 ( My favorite ending to a super hero movie EVER! Where the kid from earlier inspired by Spidey wants to take on the Rhino, and... 🤭. Gwen was great, as was the relationship, the actual story was just straight butt cheeks though. )

Also unrelated, but if I got to suggest ideas, I want a Elsa "*0+##% $*@^!&>!!!!" Bloodstone movie. The Nextwave version that is being used. Think Buffy grown up & much bigger with VERY big guns, and Samuel Jackson's movie vocabulary. Then put her in a Marvel horror movie. 💓

 

[kazmac]

Thanks sincerely!

You are welcome most truly.

Outside of Moon Knight, the one Marvel character I've kept active and happy fan woman tabs on last 15 years is Bucky/WS.

As far as Marvel movies for me, I only am listing those I revisit.

Captain America The Winter Soldier (My fave)
Captain America Civil War
Captain America The First Avenger
Doctor Strange
Iron Man
Thor Ragnarok

 

[Huntn]

You are welcome most truly.

Outside of Moon Knight, the one Marvel character I've kept active and happy fan woman tabs on last 15 years is Bucky/WS.

As far as Marvel movies for me, I only am listing those I revisit.

Captain America The Winter Soldier (My fave)
Captain America Civil War
Captain America The First Avenger
Doctor Strange
Iron Man
Thor Ragnarok

We started with Infinity Stone related movies, then going down the list started watching every Avenger Universe related movie.

We watched Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015) and Ant Man (2015) to tonight. AoU is good, Ant Man is excellent and one of my favorites.

 

[decafjava]

I've seen every MCU film except the latest Spiderman and enjoyed them all. Yes some were better than others - sometimes much better - but at least none left a bad taste like Rise of Sillywalker.

 

[D.T.]

I also realized that the list I made was MCU focused per the thread title, and not just Marvel in general. Using all Marvel movies my list changes a bit though.

Yeah, include all Marvel source material and Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse has a spot really high on my list, and Malibu had already been purchased by Marvel Comics when the first Men in Black movie was made, so it's technically Marvel, and excellent (I love the concept in general), 2 is __ok__, 3 is pretty outstanding too with the time travel and Josh Brolin standing in for TLJ as young agent K.


"I frolic and I dance, and I do this with my pants!"

"OK, enough!!"

 

[Huntn]

My Age of Ultron question:
How pissed off should the world be at Tony Stark for almost destroying it?

Here is one comment from an online thread defending Stark: As ultron is an Artificial Intellience with free will, the ultimate responsible of his acts should be himself, not his creators. You don't put in jail the father of a serial killer, don't you?

Here is my reasoning on the matter

• They secure the Sceptre that holds The Mind Stone, from Hydra.
• If I got this right, Stark says there is an Alien AI functioning in it, while knowing virtually nothing about it, other than it looks like a brain that’s thinking. The story does not take the time to examine what Stark exactly knows or does not know about it.
• He wants to borrow the Sceptre from Thor for a couple of days to use it to create Ultron, his AI based Earth Defense System. You can put a lot of assumptions into that.
• At first I thought he wanted it to speed up processing of what he had already created, but in hindsight, it appears to he just decided to hand over his project to an unknown alien AI, as if he could tell it what to do, as if he had control as he did with Jarvis. However this is also an assumption you could arrive at by watching the movie based on what was said.
• What he did not count on was an AI so advanced as if to have sentience. So is this a case where Stark’s ego almost did the Earth in? If you believe that, then Tony Stark almost got the Earth destroyed.
• But here is a counter argument that lets Stark off the hook. That by just examining the Mind Stone with Jarvis, and trying to download it for study, this enabled the AI in the Mind Stone (referred to as Ultron), to gain sentience or maybe it already had sentience, but it’s contact with Jarvis allowed it to manifest itself and emerge as the threat it was. If this is the more accurate description, it’s much harder to blame Stark and to chalk it up to the danger of studying any alien artifact (which had more capability than he could imagine). I can reasonably chalk this up to Lesson learned, and not blame Stark.

Yeah, include all Marvel source material and Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse has a spot really high on my list, and Malibu had already been purchased by Marvel Comics when the first Men in Black movie was made, so it's technically Marvel, and excellent (I love the concept in general), 2 is __ok__, 3 is pretty outstanding too with the time travel and Josh Brolin standing in for TLJ as young agent K.


"I frolic and I dance, and I do this with my pants!"

"OK, enough!!"

I may be prejudiced towards the first iteration of Tobey McQuire‘s Spider-Man, but I’ve not been vested in any since. It might change if I give them second chances, but my impression was the Spider-Man 1 and 2 nailed the character and presented such a compelling narrative, it’s been unmatched, and nothing Spide-Man since then has grabbed me.

 

[Lasrjock]

While not cinematic, my wife and I enjoyed the "Cloak and Dagger" TV show (only 2 seasons).

 

[D.T.]

I may be prejudiced towards the first iteration of Tobey McQuire‘s Spider-Man, but I’ve not been vested in any since. It might change if I give them second chances, but my impression was the Spider-Man 1 and 2 nailed the character and presented such a compelling narrative, it’s been unmatched, and nothing Spide-Man since then has grabbed me.

If you haven't seen the 2018 animated Spiderman film (which was what I mentioned and you replied to), track it down, it's genius: from the art direction/design, to the story/voice acting/music and end credits

 

[Huntn]

Avengers: Civil War (2016)- While recognizing this was a theme in the X-Men Comics, humans fearing mutants, and government trying to lock them up on occasion, and was illustrated in X-Men: The Last Stand (3), and understanding why humans would be fearful of mutants, I have a bit of a problem with the premise that after the Avengers save Earth in The Avengers, Nations want to put the Avengers on a binding, legal leash.

 

[JayMysterio]

I may be prejudiced towards the first iteration of Tobey McQuire‘s Spider-Man, but I’ve not been vested in any since. It might change if I give them second chances, but my impression was the Spider-Man 1 and 2 nailed the character and presented such a compelling narrative, it’s been unmatched, and nothing Spide-Man since then has grabbed me.

I'd give the Garfield ones a chance again. The Holland Spider-Man's, Marvel made the right call in NOT doing Uncle Ben's death for the umpteenth time. Garfield's Spider-Man took that road first, and really tried to establish a more stream lined version of the mythos. Unfortunately the biggest problem with Fox & Sony movies, isn't the creative people, but Fox & Sony themselves. Want proof? Look at Fox's burial of Dark Phoenix, Sony's hands off on Spider - Verse, and/or Sony letting Marvel take the reins with the Holland version.

The real life chemistry of Garfield & Stone was very appealing. Letting Peter get to be with Gwen before MJ was something that fans wanted for a long time. They had a decent build up with pleasant actors enjoying themselves, when Sony decided that they needed to get into the world building business. Trying to shoehorn the Sinister Six, Felicia Hardy, and a desired lead to Venom. Instead of just trying to make a strong sequel in a genre of films where the second is usually the best of the series. It's on TV so much, it's worth catching the little bits that could have been ( okay maybe not Jamie Foxx's Electro with his own theme in his head that drives the viewer nuts ) a very fun super - hero film at the time.

Spider-Verse has so much going on in that great film, lots of people rarely catch all the alludes, and even I was caught with twist ( which played on you knowing about Spider-Man which was a great touch ) of one Spidey's greatest arch villains. Can't say enough about a comic book movie that is indeed a true comic book movie, right down to using Letratone/screen dots in some scenes. Great stuff!

 

[Huntn]

I'd give the Garfield ones a chance again. The Holland Spider-Man's, Marvel made the right call in NOT doing Uncle Ben's death for the umpteenth time. Garfield's Spider-Man took that road first, and really tried to establish a more stream lined version of the mythos. Unfortunately the biggest problem with Fox & Sony movies, isn't the creative people, but Fox & Sony themselves. Want proof? Look at Fox's burial of Dark Phoenix, Sony's hands off on Spider - Verse, and/or Sony letting Marvel take the reins with the Holland version.

The real life chemistry of Garfield & Stone was very appealing. Letting Peter get to be with Gwen before MJ was something that fans wanted for a long time. They had a decent build up with pleasant actors enjoying themselves, when Sony decided that they needed to get into the world building business. Trying to shoehorn the Sinister Six, Felicia Hardy, and a desired lead to Venom. Instead of just trying to make a strong sequel in a genre of films where the second is usually the best of the series. It's on TV so much, it's worth catching the little bits that could have been ( okay maybe not Jamie Foxx's Electro with his own theme in his head that drives the viewer nuts ) a very fun super - hero film at the time.

Spider-Verse has so much going on in that great film, lots of people rarely catch all the alludes, and even I was caught with twist ( which played on you knowing about Spider-Man which was a great touch ) of one Spidey's greatest arch villains. Can't say enough about a comic book movie that is indeed a true comic book movie, right down to using Letratone/screen dots in some scenes. Great stuff!

I‘ll consider Spider Man again.
I was so pissed the first time they screwed up The Dark Phoenix (X-Men: Last Stand) and I have yet to see the dedicated movie. Was it good, anyone?

 

[JayMysterio]

I‘ll consider Spider Man again.
I was so pissed the first time they screwed up The Dark Phoenix (X-Men: Last Stand) and I have yet to see the dedicated movie. Was it good, anyone?

To put it simply...

Or more appropriately...

 

[Huntn]

To put it simply...

Or more appropriately...

Great... 😟 that was one of my favorite parts of the X-Men Comic series, The Dark Phoenix Saga.

 

[JayMysterio]

Great... 😟 that was of my favorite parts of the X-Men Comic series, The Dark Phoenix Saga.

If that was your favorite part of the X-Men series, you'll find the movie even more offensive.

The Dark Phoenix story is one you have to work to, like MCU built to Thanos. You have to 'earn' the Phoenix story to make it really work, this in way does. It's just an all over the place mess, with a 'big bad' that even the story can't rightfully explain.

Magneto I think for this one movie is consistent with his character, who can tell. But he does get a great 'fighting style', so they made him cool. Otherwise, the main selling point is if you enjoy looking at Sophie Turner. The rest 'meh'.

If the movie had no series to lead with, it should have been the two part initially imagined. It also didn't help that because of Endgame, they supposedly changed the third act which explains the awkwardness.

But, let's be real. You HAVE to see it. No matter how bad it was, as a fan you have to see it. Even if you do like I did and Redbox it for $1.75, you have to. It's a morbid curiosity you have to satisfy, to see if ANYTHING could be worse than 'Last Stand'.

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[D.T.]

The Dark Phoenix story is one you have to work to, like MCU built to Thanos. You have to 'earn' the Phoenix story to make it really work, this in way does.

Hahaha, Loki has the proper reaction ...


What you wrote is perfectly spot on. It requires time to develop, and that includes the personal relationships between the characters - while the comic run for this plot is like 10 issues, there was years of character development.

I mean, Chris Claremont is a comic genius.

Not to mention, the character/concept itself, is supposed to be a being of life and passion, and as much as I really loved her in GoT, Sophie Turner just doesn't have the right spirit to play this role. You need someone that can really bring the conflict, pain, external manifestation of the force inside them, hell, someone like Anne Hathaway would've kicked ass.

I liked First Class, really dug on Days of Future Past, I love McAvoy and Fassbender as young Prof-X and Magneto, but they rushed this plotline, lots of studio demands, a franchise seen as barely adequate in terms of revenue, etc.

 

[Huntn]

The Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (2017)- I just love the first and second editions of this franchise, with the best sound tracks ever!! 😄 The cast is wonderful, the humor is just the right amount, mixed in with drama. I get all warm and fuzzy watching it. 😍

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I’m thinking GotG3 in 2021 with an interesting and happy note from IMDB:

Despite being fired after an investigation brought up inappropriate jokes from Gunn's past, there has been a massive outcry of support for James Gunn online. Over 300,000 people have signed a petition online demanding his reinstatement, and many celebrities, including the entire main cast of Guardians of the Galaxy, Selma Blair, Vincent D'Onofrio and Bobcat Goldthwait, have publicly expressed their support. James Gunn was eventually reinstated as director.
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Dave Bautista was down at CinemaCon in Las Vegas and was asked about the James Gunn situation during a red carpet interview. The situation, as it stands, is that Disney rethought their decision and it was announced last month that Gunn will officially direct Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 once he's done with The Suicide Squad over at Warner Bros. Bautista had this to say. "I am beyond words stoked. The day that it was announced he was rehired I wasn't really able to celebrate publically for certain reasons. Eventually I will have some type of public celebration. And not to be smug and rub it in people's faces, but just to know that I'm very excited because I'm, you know, I think people know how hard I fought for him and how upset I was over the decision that he was fired. So you can imagine how excited I am that he's officially back."

 

[D.T.]

The Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (2017)- I just love the first and second editions of this franchise, with the best sound tracks ever!! 😄 The cast is wonderful, the humor is just the right amount, mixed in with drama. I get all warm and fuzzy watching it. 😍

MegaCon

 

[Huntn]

MegaCon

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I’ll assume he won’t be in costume. I did not know anything about him until recently and discovered he had been a wrestler. I really like him in BR2049 and sad to see his character end the way he ended.

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[Huntn]

Huntn's Infinity Stone Epic ?
Over the last two weeks the Wife and I have watched 15 movies (approx 32 hours) concerning or relating to the Marvel's Infinity Stone Epic that spans approximately 8 years (Captain America: The First Avenger 2011 to Avengers: End Game (2019). As someone who read many of the comics and have enjoyed these franchises, I will rate them from good to excellent, with the caveat that you like the premise, genre, and overall story arc.

Yesterday we finished up with Avengers: Infinity War- truly epic, loved it even if a huge number of heroes perish. ?<-Spoiler wink.

For Avenger: End Game- this is what I said in 2019:

• https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/avengers-endgame-with-spoilers.2179392/post-27686226
• https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/avengers-endgame-with-spoilers.2179392/post-27687417

Now after watching it again, I mostly agree with what I said previously. It's enjoyable, and acknowledge the entire proposition of time travel is a fantasy concept, but to enjoy it you must set aside any logical thinking about the premise of time travel, and just accept what your eyes see and here is the key:

You have to be able to go with the notion that:

• That Ant Man illustrates how humans can enter the quantum world, and time is a variable.
• That Tony Stark invents a quantum GPS so when entering the quantum world, you can travel to specific places and times.
• And that you can go back in time, retrieve Infinity Stones, bring them back to the future without disturbing the time line between when they are taken and the present they are being brought to (illogical).
• You can change the present, achieve an outcome and then go back in time, put the stones back precisely from where and when they are taken, so the time line continues as intended.
• At at the present day point where you use them to alter events, this will just flow naturally, because afterwards they have been put back.

But here are the issue with the script, if you bother to think about it. Frankly I admit in advance it's better just to go with the flow, but it still irritates me. ?

• When Roady asks, "Why not kill baby Thanos", Bruce Banner gives a lecturer but "that's not how time works" you can't change the past to change the future, because at that point, you have just created a new future.
• Yet this is exactly what they do, go back in 2 groups interacting with the time line 3 times, and somehow they don't create a new future, they come back to the same present that they left.
• So even by warning of creating branching time lines, by virtue of changing the past, according to Banner they could not come back because they just created a new time line. And where ever they came back to it would be the new time line, changed so much, there would not have been a reason to travel back and time, nor a time machine to come back to.
• And lets say they could use their Quantum GPS to return to their old time line, if nothing had changed and Banner was waiting for them, it means any changes they made exist in a new separate timeline they are not part of. Easy right? ?
• And finally Captain America going back after Thanos is defeated and putting the Infinity Stones back at the precise place and time puts everything back as it was, and then living his life from the 40's with his true love, in parallel with the original Captain America doing his thing makes the circular paradoxical equation so complicated that it's better just to forgetaboutit, LOL. ?

There were some other things that bug me a little:

• In 2013 Thor takes his hammer from Asgard- that does not change anything right?
• To get the Soul Stone, you have to lose the thing you love most. So when did Hawkeye start loving Black Window the most? OK, this actually makes sense, because Hawkeye's family was already lost so Natasha was the one who he loved most at that moment. Never mind.
• If I'm not mistaken both Stark and Hawkeye pick up Infinity Stones something mortals are not supposed to be able to do without perishing, or does wearing gloves make a difference? Stark picks up the Tesseract in NJ and Hawkeye picks it up after he earns it, so maybe that is an exception to the no mortal touchy rule.
• Back in 1972 NJ Captain America grabs 4 viles of PYM Particles. You know the thing you put in the belt of your quantum suit to travel in the Quantum world. They use 2 to get back, which leaves 2. So how did original Nebula open the Time Gate and allow Thanos to fly through and bring his ship forward in time? I guess we assume he did some research outside of the narrative and figured how to make or acquire PYM particles? I did not see his ship wrapped in a suit, so he would have spent years of his life developing the massive time travel technology for his massive ship and it does not appear, obliterating the building, but comes and arrives somewhere else because who needs the time machine? The story tellers just reduce all their scientific blather about time travel to... M.A.G.I.C. and be done with it. ?
• If having all those stones allows you to snap your fingers and make anything happen, they could have brought Black Widow back if Tony had thought about it.
• So is Gamora Dead? Past Gamora showed up with Thanos and seemed to be making headway with present Nebula, but when Peter Quill tried to hug her, she hit him. So what? So she died along with Thanos and the bad guys? If this is accurate, this bothers me a little, cause she is Star Lord's girl friend! And they still had the guantlet and the Infinity Stones so it would have been as easy as someone snapping their fingers. ?

Of the movies we watched I rank these as my favorites:

• Thor 2011
• Guardians of the Galaxy 2014
• Captain America: The Winter Soldier 2014
• Ant Man 2015
• Avengers Age of Ultron 2015
• Captain America: Civil War 2016
• Guardians of the Galaxy 2 2017
• Thor: Ragnarok 2017
• Avenger's Infinity Wars 2018
• Captain Marvel 2019

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[kazmac]

^ Glad you liked. Wasn't a fan of Endgame, but at least Infinity Wars gave me the (almost comic book versions of) Doctor Strange and Thor that I've enjoyed for so long.

 

[JayMysterio]

MegaCon

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You keeping an eye on the con? Just heard that Emerald City is getting cancelled.

 

[D.T.]

You keeping an eye on the con? Just heard that Emerald City is getting cancelled.

Yeah, I'm on their mailing list and check the site pretty regularly. I guess it really just depends on the escalation, it's still a good month and a half away.

 

[Huntn]

Captain Marvell (2019)- Excellent back story, it’s got a nice twist as far as what is what. But here is my question:
During this movie, did they overpower her? She got her powers from the Tesseract, and she is freaking unstoppable! When Ronin’s fleet shows up to destroy Earth she kicks their asses, she destroys a salvo of missiles aimed at Earth, she knocks all of his fighters down with a yawn, flies through one of Ronin’s Battle Cruisers like it’s paper. She could have destroyed his entire fleet with one hand tied behind her back. Ronin decides to run away. You can ask, why didn’t she when she was on a roll?