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Hopefully they'll start doing something with this crazy power... with the current capabilities it's hasn't been worth upgrading... I have the 2018 iPP and it's still a beast and can't find an excuse to upgrade... now if the iPad could run macOS (as sometimes I'd rather use that than my M1 MBA) ;)
 
I get the new iPhone every year just because the trade in value of the old phone is still high even when the differences aren’t great. Bought a 12 Pro when I didn’t really need it even though the visual changes were nice. If this phone has Touch ID, a 120hz display and a smaller notch, I don’t see how they could top the phone the year after without getting rid of the notch completely. Will be getting a 13 pro max.
Interesting point. Makes me wonder if Apple would really include Touch ID this year.
 
I wonder if the 'M1X' will be based on the A15 chip then...
My thoughts exactly, the hotly anticipated all new flagship MacBook Pro using a processor based on last years chip when this years will be out in a few months. And it just so happens to be going into production way earlier than needed to be ready for the phones in September while forecasts have the MacBooks landing in July / August after a WWDC introduction.
 
A and M series chips are not “based on” each other. They use the same core microarchitecture, but neither is the basis for the other, though one or the other may tape out first. They also use different physical designs, netlists, etc. In SoC design, you design a core for use in multiple chips, you don’t design a chip and then say “let’s make a different chip based on that chip.”
On one hand it comes down to semantics and you still know the gist of what I meant, but on the other hand I appreciate the correction because sometimes semantics are important.

A counter-argument for your thoughts: Let's say Apple designed the A15 completely independently of any M-Series chips, then later took the core design & microarchitecture from the A15 and used it for a beefed-up M-Series chip... I would argue in that case that the new M-Series chip is indeed based off the pre-existing A15, even if at the end of the day the similarities and differences are exactly as you described.
 
Never would have thought that these chips would become the powerhouses that they are, way back in 2007.
Agreed. Absolutely amazing what Apple has done with their CPU designs. M1 is the best thing to happen to laptops in many years. I can run on my M1 MacBook Air for days. Easily 20+ hours of basic usage, and the thing is still super fast.
 
On one hand it comes down to semantics and you still know the gist of what I meant, but on the other hand I appreciate the correction because sometimes semantics are important.

A counter-argument for your thoughts: Let's say Apple designed the A15 completely independently of any M-Series chips, then later took the core design & microarchitecture from the A15 and used it for a beefed-up M-Series chip... I would argue in that case that the new M-Series chip is indeed based off the pre-existing A15, even if at the end of the day the similarities and differences are exactly as you described.

Sure, but there is no way Apple does that. The chips come out too close in proximity to each other, and it takes at least 2 years to design a chip as complicated as an A- or M-series.
 
Every iPhone since the very first one has had a significant SOC upgrade over its predecessor. While the A15 may stay at 5nm like the A14, it's hard to believe that it won't be significantly better than its predecessor (if history is any guide)
iPhone 3g ran the same chipset as og
 
Really wish the bezels were as thin or going to be as thin as that render!
 
I get the new iPhone every year just because the trade in value of the old phone is still high even when the differences aren’t great. Bought a 12 Pro when I didn’t really need it even though the visual changes were nice. If this phone has Touch ID, a 120hz display and a smaller notch, I don’t see how they could top the phone the year after without getting rid of the notch completely. Will be getting a 13 pro max.
Nothing has suggested Apple would get rid of the notch. The [Rumors] suggested that they would supplement touch ID under the display in conjunction with the notch/face ID. Meaning, Apple would offer both biometric options, likely for the most expensive iPhone models.
 
It would be nice if they prioritised the mac over the iPhone for this one year only and really smashed Intel.

New chips in the phone arent that exciting anymore and are minor upgrades, but they are in the macs, especially in the larger mabookpro’s and desktops to show what they really can do.
 
It would be nice if they prioritised the mac over the iPhone for this one year only and really smashed Intel.

New chips in the phone arent that exciting anymore and are minor upgrades, but they are in the macs, especially in the larger mabookpro’s and desktops to show what they really can do.

New chips in the iphone are 20% faster than the previous year’s chips, just like they have been every year since A4. So not sure why you were excited before but not now.
 
I expect that you are correct. However, I wonder how close the industry is getting towards the point of diminishing return. As in do we just hit a wall at some point in terms of performance in that size package?
Probably never. The roadmap for the next 4 years is quite promising.
 
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Delay it enough to use the new process?
Would be a funny mirror to Intel’s retrofit /back port issues (10nm design made to work on 14nm) if Apple was looking at doing the A14X on the 5nm+ process by delaying a little.
 
The entire micro-electronics industry is in disarray and Apple is managing to get it's suppliers to produce it's chips ahead of schedule? Good job Apple.
As a TSMC shareholder for some time and an electronic engineer who follows this closely, it's pretty simple. Apple hands TSMC huge piles of cash for first access to any process. Basically Apple gets whatever they want and everyone else comes after that. Apple has both the demand and literally endless piles of money at their disposal to pay well in advance, which allows TSMC to accelerate their capital expenditure.

It helps out everyone as Apple is essentially pumping TSMC and by proxy ASML (also a shareholder) with staggering amounts of R&D. You should look into ASML's EUV lithography machines, perhaps the most advanced machine ever created and one of the reasons for the current chip shortage as they just can't make them fast enough. Hell just the R&D that went into building the EUV laser is difficult to believe.

TSMC and the rise of the iPhone go hand in hand. They already have first access to N4 (refined N5P process) and the new N3 fab they are building. I wouldn't be surprised to see TSMC's market cap hit $1tn in a couple of years as they accelerate away from Intel and Samsung.
 
It won't be, it's a standalone chip (X60) just like in every iPhone previously. It won't be integrated until Apple moves to its own modems.

Ok thanks... that's what I figured.

It seemed kinda weird for a 3rd-party chip to be "integrated" into an Apple chip...

:p
 
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