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Apple should thank the NSA (or was it FBI) for complaining that their systems were secure enough that they couldn't be accessed by government spying. You can't buy that kind of publicity.

Not sure Apple should get cocky and provoke or tease the NSA or FBI. As unpopular as they are, they still have the support of a majority of (idiot) Congressional lawmakers. Which means…. if they want to put the beat-down on Apple/Google with respect to security, they can. And the LAWMAKERS will give the NSA/FBI the legal license to do so.

IMHO, the only reason the NSA and FBI have not yet made a forceful move to handcuff Apple and Google's hands (in terms of opening up their OS security to the government)…. is simply because doing so at this time would cause a massive public backlash, since the US public is still reeling from the Snowden thing.

My guess is that the Government will wait a bit of time until the American populace has forgotten about the entire Snowden/Prism fiasco. Americans have short term memory and it works to the Government's advantage.

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I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Oh a Trekkie, I see!

Live long and prosper. Nanu nanu!
 
Well in the rest of the world (not America), we have this great thing called 'chip and pin'. And it's everywhere.

So the steps are:

1) take out your card
2) put your card in and type in your pin
3) Sanitize your hand so you don't get the germs the last guy/girl had on their hands on yours.
I appreciate Apple Pay will be great across the pond, but it's essentially the same process -- except your phone is your card and your pin is your fingerprint. And as iOS 8 was a steaming buggy pile I'm sure you can grant me a little cynicism.
Granted. IOS8 has been the smoothest roll-out since Vista. In opposite land.

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Glad somebody got the reference! :D

I was worried that someone already had, so I went through the posts in reverse... :cool:
 
Well in the rest of the world (not America), we have this great thing called 'chip and pin'. And it's everywhere.

So the steps are:

1) take out your card
2) put your card in and type in your pin

I appreciate Apple Pay will be great across the pond, but it's essentially the same process -- except your phone is your card and your pin is your fingerprint. And as iOS 8 was a steaming buggy pile I'm sure you can grant me a little cynicism.

I wasn't aware iOS 8 was a "steaming buggy pile"....
 
This +++. I was initally skeptical of Apple Pay and was blasted in the comment sections as being misinformed and out-of-touch.

We see through the PR spin that Apple Pay is 100% secure in theory. Even many large retailers are also reluctant to go all-in with it. (And they have IT experts/analysts who are much more qualified at vetting the Apple Pay business model and risks than I am.)

So I will hold off a little longer...

Actually, major retailer are holding off because they are coming up with their own type of transaction network. The problem is that their idea would allow them to target buyers with ads and promotions based on their tracked spending habits. That's the whole reason major retailers are vetting on that system. They don't want Apple Pay preventing them from targeting their customers.

I personally love that I'm so secure in my transactions using Apple Pay and will start using my cards less and less by shopping where I know I can use NFC. Why would you trust retailers more than Apple Pay? I guess some just don't care about becoming a product instead of a valued user.
 
And that random person would be a real, typical baseball fan? As opposed to myself, for example? Or the people in my section I see throughout the season?
Where are you going with this? Some how provide a view point that is in Apple's favor that has nothing to do with the topic?
 
Where are you going with this? Some how provide a view point that is in Apple's favor that has nothing to do with the topic?

I was going to ask you the same question. In fact I already have. You seem to want to characterize "real" or "typical" baseball fans in some way that implies they are not the types to use a smartphone to pay for their food and drink. But I'm not sure, and I'd prefer not to guess.
 
I was going to ask you the same question. In fact I already have. You seem to want to characterize "real" or "typical" baseball fans in some way that implies they are not the types to use a smartphone to pay for their food and drink. But I'm not sure, and I'd prefer not to guess.
Your diversion worked!!!

You took a post literary to take it out of context to steer away from the fact that people with dirty hands/finders will most likely not be using AP.

AP is DOA. The End.
 
Your diversion worked!!!

You took a post literary to take it out of context to steer away from the fact that people with dirty hands/finders will most likely not be using AP.

AP is DOA. The End.

Since this post made absolutely no sense whatsoever, I guess it is the end, at least for whatever it was you were trying to say.
 
MC is really going hard in for the :apple:Pay

Yeah, everyone wants to be picked as the default card :)

Might be irrelevant to some - but this is going to save them billions in fraud charges - that's why these banks are so happy.

It won't help for a long time. For one thing, most NFC payments are fairly small.

Also, the fraud always shifts somewhere else. For example, we'll still have magstripe and online purchases for years to come.

What would really help, is securing online payments. (Which a lot of us already do by using PayPal to hide our account info.)

That long long time will be the end of 2015 when the laws will force all retailers to upgrade their systems:cool:

Not a law. A Visa / MC liability shift that merchants can decide to ignore.

For example, in Canada, about one of seven POS terminals are still not chip & pin, as small businesses decided it wasn't worth the money to support EMV payments.

What's the point of NFC if you can't pay with your phone. All other uses for NFC are just gimmicks.

Shoot. Everything is a gimmick until you find your own user for it. E.g.

Six Sweet Things You Can Automate With NFC
 
Actually, major retailer are holding off because they are coming up with their own type of transaction network. The problem is that their idea would allow them to target buyers with ads and promotions based on their tracked spending habits. That's the whole reason major retailers are vetting on that system. They don't want Apple Pay preventing them from targeting their customers.

Excellent point!


Apple Pay: swipe, and your transaction is done.


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Is this all Mastercards? Tried to add my debit card to apple pay. Tells me the card is not supported (it's a Mastercard debit card) does the bank have to approve this also?
 
I love Chip and Pin, Apple Pay and NFC are still better.

Chip and Pin cards are great and available in every country but the United States. However, NFC and Apple Pay is still better at least for the US.

1. In the US we have this abomination called Chip and Signature, so if you have a chip on your card it doesn't mean it will work with a Chip and PIN terminal particularly if its automated such as at a train station, etc.

2. We tend to have many credit cards and the stores tie lots of sales, benefits to that. Memorizing all of those 4 digit random numbers is difficult. I have two and need to incorporate them into my passwords to remember them. Otherwise you write them down.

3. There is a lot of confusion about randomly generated PINs and the PINs we have for our ATM cards that we set. So there is a lot of education required. Having a system that bypasses PINs and is based on biometrics is very nice and avoids this.

4. In the US, there are lots of terminals that have a slot for Chip and Pin usage but I have never, ever seen one turned on even though I have a true Chip and PIN card from USAA, one of the few banks that actually issues one. And I have used it in Europe with my randomly generated PIN.

5. The liability shift is supposed to happen in October 2015 where the merchants become liable but this has a long way to go.

6. I have used Apple Pay at Whole Foods and McDonalds, very familiar with it and Walgreens, first time for that clerk. It was very simple.

7. You don't have to get your wallet out. You also don't have to hide your pin. Unless somebody steals your phone or kidnaps you they can't replicate it.

8. There is a unique token for every transaction. This is Apple's killer feature. I hope they can license this to other manufacturers.

9. Credit cards magnetic stripes wear out and the embossed lettering gets scraped if you have multiple cards in your wallet. I have a merchant credit card that I never used to carry that is now just another entry for Apple Pay.





Well in the rest of the world (not America), we have this great thing called 'chip and pin'. And it's everywhere.

So the steps are:

1) take out your card
2) put your card in and type in your pin

I appreciate Apple Pay will be great across the pond, but it's essentially the same process -- except your phone is your card and your pin is your fingerprint. And as iOS 8 was a steaming buggy pile I'm sure you can grant me a little cynicism.
 
Chip and Pin cards are great and available in every country but the United States. However, NFC and Apple Pay is still better at least for the US.

1. In the US we have this abomination called Chip and Signature, so if you have a chip on your card it doesn't mean it will work with a Chip and PIN terminal particularly if its automated such as at a train station, etc.

2. We tend to have many credit cards and the stores tie lots of sales, benefits to that. Memorizing all of those 4 digit random numbers is difficult. I have two and need to incorporate them into my passwords to remember them. Otherwise you write them down.

3. There is a lot of confusion about randomly generated PINs and the PINs we have for our ATM cards that we set. So there is a lot of education required. Having a system that bypasses PINs and is based on biometrics is very nice and avoids this.

4. In the US, there are lots of terminals that have a slot for Chip and Pin usage but I have never, ever seen one turned on even though I have a true Chip and PIN card from USAA, one of the few banks that actually issues one. And I have used it in Europe with my randomly generated PIN.

5. The liability shift is supposed to happen in October 2015 where the merchants become liable but this has a long way to go.

6. I have used Apple Pay at Whole Foods and McDonalds, very familiar with it and Walgreens, first time for that clerk. It was very simple.

7. You don't have to get your wallet out. You also don't have to hide your pin. Unless somebody steals your phone or kidnaps you they can't replicate it.

8. There is a unique token for every transaction. This is Apple's killer feature. I hope they can license this to other manufacturers.

9. Credit cards magnetic stripes wear out and the embossed lettering gets scraped if you have multiple cards in your wallet. I have a merchant credit card that I never used to carry that is now just another entry for Apple Pay.

With number 4, you've never been to Walmart? Put your card in there and it'll ask for your PIN, you key it in and it'll be just like Europe. Same with a number of small mom & pop merchants and newly upgraded Home Depots.
 
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