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Masterfoods puts animal product in chocolate - Mars, Snickers, Maltesers etc
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worse, vegan. (worse: as in, much more limiting on that awesome food)
count me in on the "do not care" group. I have no palatable preference or moral issue with eating animals... even .000000383289383653872% of one which is in this chocolate candy stuffs. I'm an evil human like that.
It's easy because I have never liked meat and have been vegetarian and then later vegan for nearly 30 years. My favourite food is Indian and my girlfriend is Anglo-Indian and so our home cooking is great. The worst thing is how it ruins your social life. In rural France, well, where I live, there are no suitable restaurants at all. I used to miss cheese - no mutta paneer or real parmesan on my pesto but I'm okay with that now and don't suffer any pangs as I pass the cheese counter. The only thing that gauls is Breton salty butter. How I miss that!
You must be very rare!
A French guy who doesn't like meat!
I was veggie for 9 years (including vegan for 1 year). I started eating meat again about 6 years ago.
That has always confused me. So what's your motivation in being a vegan? I can understand that somebody may not like meat, but you must have some principles against anything produced by animals then...
I find it all a bit strange. Cows don't suffer when they produce milk. There's plenty of biological stuff where the cows are given more space and such, and have quite pleasant lives. On the other hand, if you stop eating meat/cheese/etc what difference does it make in the grand scheme of things.? If I want my steak the cow is going to die anyway, might as well make good use of it then right?
I'm in the "I don't care, I still want my Mars bar camp", but, I can see how others might be bovvered.
They don't seemed to have handled it very well, but then, I wouldn't expect any large company to handle anything well - anyone who is or has ever worked for a large company should be well aware of how much they actually suck, despite their massive profits and perceived corporate professionalism and standards. At the end of the day, they're all useless!
They don't seemed to have handled it very well, but then, I wouldn't expect any large company to handle anything well - anyone who is or has ever worked for a large company should be well aware of how much they actually suck, despite their massive profits and perceived corporate professionalism and standards. At the end of the day, they're all useless!
I don't think their sales will disappear, but you can see from the comments here that enough people do care for their sales to significantly drop now this has hit the media. A 20% drop could happen.
I am very emotionally tied to animals. They are sentient and I believe have "souls" I am trying to do no harm. Here, we have a few acres and I've just planted some oaks, maples, eucalyptus & chestnuts plus a few other varieties. Today is the last day of a 3 day installation of a solar system for hot water. I see this as a kindness to the planet, to my commune, myself. In this light, I extend my concern to animals too. It's such a natural thought. I remember reading a poem by Charles Bukowski where coming home from the abattoir, all the souls of the animals he has killed follow him home on the bus. Anyway, .....
... there is no such thing as a harmless or pain free industrial food production. With dairy herds, male new borns are killed immediately because they can't produce milk and are "worthless" Those that survive are permanently kept pregnant in order to produce milk at 6 times there natural levels. With around 40% of cows suffering mastitis lots of pus is mixed in with the milk. Being in calf unnaturally, they "wear out" very quickly. Alarmingly, "zero grazing"* cattle is on the increase which you would imagine would not be the case with the perceived notion of greater "justice" in farming with the advent of "Fair Trade" and organics etc.
As for the grand scheme of things - I cannot change a thing but that still necessitates me to do as I know, as I believe.
And finally, "the cow is going to die anyway" is fallacious reasoning too. Doing something which I believe is immoral because the air is is already murky does not mean I have to join in. That is not a judgement of you ... it's attempting to express why I don't skip out on my veganism when "meat is all around me"
"Meat is all around me"? Wasn't that a WET WET WET song?
Anyway, work calls.
*Zero grazed means cows who are permanently confined in sheds and yards and who will never graze in a field.
i don't know what's the big uproar is about .. they very likely have been producing it somewhere else with Rennet since forever
just a side note: do you know that the most popular replacement in Uk and USA is produced through _genetically modified_ E.coli bacteria ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli
yeah having genetically modified bacteria obviously ethically beats producing with natural Rennet which is produced the same way since thousands of years
with organic food it's actually forbidden to use rennet replacement
per kg cheese there is roughly 0,0003 grams Rennet
do you as religiously check products for gelatine ?
also mars contains eggs so you are eating little baby chickens
just a side note: do you know that the most popular replacement in Uk and USA is produced through _genetically modified_ E.coli bacteria ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli
yeah having genetically modified bacteria obviously ethically beats producing with natural Rennet which is produced the same way since thousands of years
with organic food it's actually forbidden to use rennet replacement
per kg cheese there is roughly 0,0003 grams Rennet
do you as religiously check products for gelatine ?
also mars contains eggs so you are eating little baby chickens
Walkers did a similar thing with crisps a while back. Their sales dropped ad they reversed the decision.
From a UK pov a ot of kids/teenagers are veggie nowadays and they'll stop buying masterfood's crap.
I was avoiding Snickers anyway as they had hydrgenated vegetable fat in them. It's criminal that companies are still allowed to sell these products to children when they contain this amount of rubbish.
From a UK pov a ot of kids/teenagers are veggie nowadays and they'll stop buying masterfood's crap.
I was avoiding Snickers anyway as they had hydrgenated vegetable fat in them. It's criminal that companies are still allowed to sell these products to children when they contain this amount of rubbish.
If they state it's vegetarian on the packet then it is. By law.
yes, religiously. I think reading ingredients on packets should be taught to kids in schools as a life skill.
well do they ? i don't remember so here but since i have to buy some stuff later i'm gonna check)
i simply found it funny how people can slam the food industry for "over industrialization of their food" while in the same turn demanding the genetical modified version of an ingredient over the natural one
talking about a boycott: what are you going to buy then ? Nestle ? Kraft ?
good luck with that
(i don't even remember last time i bought a Mars or Snicker.. they are ridiculous overpriced and unhealthy anyway
)I think you're missing the point. For years their products have been known as vegetarian. Suddenly the products aren't, and the company didn't issue a statement. Therefore thousands of people who do actually care about not eating cattle remains ate products they would not otherwise have eaten.
Mars can start making their food out of dog poo for all I care, as long as they tell us beforehand they are going to do so.
That is exactly the point.
I appreciate the point I was making is rather narrow, but the real injustice here is the pure ignorance of Masterfoods and the total failure of their public relations. It'd have been enlightening if they could have indicated why they felt the need to change suppliers, but just some advance notice would have been decent!
I also appreciate that this thread will of course raise more general issues about dietary factors, and that's fine.
cattle remains ? you know that they only put the enzymes in it ? there is less cattle in it than what you consume through air walking past a cow
after all there is milk in it .. i would guess more body cells from the cow are in _that_ than in the rennet
i guess it's the cute animal factor at work and nothing else ... after all nearly all vegetarians have no problems eating cheese, wearing leather products or eating little baby chickens as eggs
You don't kill a cow to get milk, and you don't kill a chicken to get an egg (though I appreciate that eggs are a little more complex).
So you don't think Masterfoods should have indicated that their products were no longer suitable for vegetarians before switching suppliers? Regardless of your feelings towards vegetarians, surely you can see the ignorance on their part?
Yawn. Every thread about vegetarianism gets this kind of response. No one's attacking you for eating meat, some people don't want to eat an animal that died to provide the meal. Simple. They have every right to live their lives like that if they so wish.
So, it's not the "cute animal factor and nothing else" at work here, it's principles.
I never really eat chocolate anyway I'm more of a cake person. I like Jaffa Cakes and em... chocolate cake and lots of others.
I'm not much of a choclate eater any more, and not a veggie or vegan; but this story still freaks me out. Extracts from calves' stomachs in a chocolate bar? Why??
I can just imagine asking for a spring water in a restaurant.. "With or without monkey brains, sir?"
I can just imagine asking for a spring water in a restaurant.. "With or without monkey brains, sir?"