Masterfoods puts animal product in chocolate - Mars, Snickers, Maltesers etc

[ejb190]

Growing up on a farm and still being involved in the ag industry, I know a thing or two about livestock production. I will adamantly disagree with accuracy of your comments.

One particular point, I know of a "zero grazing" facility that is also an organic milk producer! The cows are being fed organic grain. If you would like to hear the rest of my points, PM me.

Finally, I totally disagree with a food producer changing ingredients without notifying the consumers. Can you imagine the uproar if a traditionally Kosher food suddenly wasn't?

... there is no such thing as a harmless or pain free industrial food production. With dairy herds, male new borns are killed immediately because they can't produce milk and are "worthless" Those that survive are permanently kept pregnant in order to produce milk at 6 times there natural levels. With around 40% of cows suffering mastitis lots of pus is mixed in with the milk. Being in calf unnaturally, they "wear out" very quickly. Alarmingly, "zero grazing"* cattle is on the increase which you would imagine would not be the case with the perceived notion of greater "justice" in farming with the advent of "Fair Trade" and organics etc.

*Zero grazed means cows who are permanently confined in sheds and yards and who will never graze in a field.

 

[takao]

Yawn. Every thread about vegetarianism gets this kind of response. No one's attacking you for eating meat, some people don't want to eat an animal that died to provide the meal. Simple. They have every right to live their lives like that if they so wish.

so then what about eggs ? is that ok ? or leather clothes/belts/shoes ? bacteria ? or doesn't that count ?

the calfs aren't _killed_ for the stomach .. if they weren't used they would have been _thrown away_
it's not like like masterfoods is grinding steaks into chocolate bars.. more like "all the mars bars you can eat in your lifetime are still less cattle than one leather shoe except the factor 1000 less"

in fact you have to eat more than 3300 kg of cheese to eat 1 gram of the enzyms
let's say in a mars bar they need only 1/10 of that (i suspect even less thanks to other fancy stuff nobody complains on the internet about)
that would make 33000 kg of mars or 507692 Mars Bars to consume 1 gram of enzyms


i suspect you swallow more than that with insects at night while sleeping

So, it's not the "cute animal factor and nothing else" at work here, it's principles.

yeah that's why people in west africa are currently working on inhuman peanut farms harvesting the peanuts for your chocolate bars
but thank god the stomaches of calves were thrown away thanks to our principles and replaced by genetically engineered stuff



and that said it was masterfood who announced it right ? so what's the complaining about ?

"If the customer is an extremely strict vegetarian, then we are sorry the products are no longer suitable, but a less strict vegetarian should enjoy our chocolate," said Paul Goalby, corporate affairs manager for Masterfoods.

can we now go on and focus on other stuff like improving working conditions in some 3 world countries ? they are a lot worse off than those vegetarians who now eat perhaps a few chocolate bars less
or do vegetarians never buy cheap clothes ? i guess not ... because it's always about principles ... especially if it's about cute animals

 

[Queso]

and that said it was masterfood who announced it right ? so what's the complaining about ?

They announced it weeks after the event, that's why the complaints. Some of us like to draw a line about the ingredients that go into our food. By not announcing the change at the time, they took the choice to make that decision away from the consumer.

If they started putting dog turds in their bars today, and you ate a few only to be told in a couple of weeks ,well after the event, just what you had eaten, would you not be upset?

 

[takao]

They announced it weeks after the event, that's why the complaints. Some of us like to draw a line about the ingredients that go into our food. By not announcing the change at the time, they took the choice to make that decision away from the consumer.

well it normally takes some time until those bars hit retail
they switched as far as i understood over on 1st of may and we now have the 16th and they told it a few days ago ... you also have to factor in that most stores have more in stock
how often do stores get shipments from them ? perhaps once a week ? every 2 weeks ?

come on it's not like they waited months it's not even 2 weeks which might be just the time those bars need until they hit the stores

If they started putting dog turds in their bars today, and you ate a few only to be told in a couple of weeks ,well after the event, just what you had eaten, would you not be upset?

irony: where is homeplace of E.Coli bacteria which is used for producing the replacement ? so much for "dog turd"

 

[Henri Gaudier]

Growing up on a farm and still being involved in the ag industry, I know a thing or two about livestock production. I will adamantly disagree with accuracy of your comments.

One particular point, I know of a "zero grazing" facility that is also an organic milk producer! The cows are being fed organic grain. If you would like to hear the rest of my points, PM me.

Finally, I totally disagree with a food producer changing ingredients without notifying the consumers. Can you imagine the uproar if a traditionally Kosher food suddenly wasn't?

Hi EJB190 - I'm actually speaking from experience. Bretagne is renowned for its farming. There may be exceptions and the story of zero grazing organic is truly shocking but I find that talking to farmers about animal welfare is a bit like talking to a nazi - whatever you say to them, well, it's you who's got it wrong and they're not like that now etc etc. It's always a snow job.

 

[killmoms]

Who cares? Animals are delicious.

Damn hippies.

 

[yellow]

Just a note...

That means the Mars people are supporting the veal industry.

 

[0098386]

Christ on a bike! No more of that rubbish for me. I'll stick to Lindor and proper fake chocolate.

 

[TequilaBoobs]

i believe chocolate can make anything taste better, even cow stomach!

 

[Gentile]

As far as eating Mars bars, the U.S. version contains the following: Sugar, Lactose, Artificial Flavor, Corn Syrup, more Sugar, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Milkfat, and more Artificial Flavor.

Probably something you should not eat even if it did not contain rennet.

That has always confused me. So what's your motivation in being a vegan? I can understand that somebody may not like meat, but you must have some principles against anything produced by animals then...
I find it all a bit strange. Cows don't suffer when they produce milk.

While I believe that choosing to eat meat or animal products is everyone's choice, I think it is important to know where the food you eat comes from.

Most milk and eggs are produced on large factory type farms. Animals are kept in small areas or cages, do not have open spaces, and have to be pumped full of antibiotics and hormones just to keep them alive.

Animals on these factory farms live awful lives - for example many chickens live in cramped pens literally standing on top of decayed carcasses of dead chickens that were never removed. Male baby chicks (who are worthless because they can't produce eggs) are thrown into trash bags while alive and thrown away. Female cows are kept constantly pregnant to produce milk, males are regularly castrated, and of course branded.

For these reasons and health reasons I became a vegan.

If you are interested in learning more check out:
http://www.mercyforanimals.org/ (warning: some ugly and disturbing images)

 

[zap2]

I've had people e-mailing me and telling me this news since yesterday. Believe me, everyone who knows a vegetarian is making sure they get told.

Everyone? I'm willing to bet none of my vegitarian friends know yet...all 2 of them!


Just because your friends are kept up to date, doesn't mean others will be. Also I can see both of them not caring about it.

 

[njmac]

Everyone? I'm willing to bet none of my vegitarian friends know yet...all 2 of them!


Just because your friends are kept up to date, doesn't mean others will be. Also I can see both of them not caring about it.

If I'm not mistaken, Masterfood produces the candy products only in the UK. The U.S. version is still the same.

 

[EricNau]

I'm not vegetarian (although I don't eat beef and limit other meat intake), but I will not be buying any MasterFoods products until they reverse their decision.

There is absolutely no excuse for using animal products just to save money. Failing to tell the public just makes matters worse.

 

[ecche]

We shouldn't eat that crap anyway..

I guess Twix cannot be called a 'chocolate bar' anymore, it should be marketed as a CCOB ('chocolate covered offal bar') from now on.

 

[zim]

Here is Masterfoods statement on their vegetarian status.

 

[SkyBell]

As far as eating Mars bars, the U.S. version contains the following: Sugar, Lactose, Artificial Flavor, Corn Syrup, more Sugar, Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, Milkfat, and more Artificial Flavor.

Probably something you should not eat even if it did not contain rennet.



While I believe that choosing to eat meat or animal products is everyone's choice, I think it is important to know where the food you eat comes from.

Most milk and eggs are produced on large factory type farms. Animals are kept in small areas or cages, do not have open spaces, and have to be pumped full of antibiotics and hormones just to keep them alive.

Animals on these factory farms live awful lives - for example many chickens live in cramped pens literally standing on top of decayed carcasses of dead chickens that were never removed. Male baby chicks (who are worthless because they can't produce eggs) are thrown into trash bags while alive and thrown away. Female cows are kept constantly pregnant to produce milk, males are regularly castrated, and of course branded.

For these reasons and health reasons I became a vegan.

If you are interested in learning more check out:
http://www.mercyforanimals.org/ (warning: some ugly and disturbing images)

Oh my god, I just watched the pig video.

That's horrible.

 

[ThunderLounge]

Mmmmmm.... Snickers.

And a new dark chocolate one too.


Mmmmmm....

 

[emotion]

so then what about eggs ? is that ok ? or leather clothes/belts/shoes ? bacteria ? or doesn't that count ?

.....snip....rarara.......

Dude, don't you think I hear this all the time? I've been a strict vegetarian for 18 years. I've heard every angle, trust me.

At no point do I ever attack people who eat meat, and never had. If you're so threatened by vegetarianism that you have to rant on in a thread about it I'd be asking myself some questions, not some random people on the internets.

 

[Gentile]

Oh my god, I just watched the pig video.

That's horrible.

Yes they are bad. I have also seen a video on cows and chickens. Although they are graphic and unsettling, I think it is good to know where your food is coming from.

 

[TequilaBoobs]

humans have canine teeth because we were meant to eat meat. viva la vorare!

 

[Blue Velvet]

Mars bars get veggie status back

Mars has abandoned plans to use animal products in its chocolate, and has apologised to "upset" vegetarians. The firm had said it would change the whey used in some of its products from a vegetarian source to one with traces of the animal enzyme, rennet.

The Vegetarian Society organised a campaign against the move, asking members to voice their concerns to parent company Masterfoods.

Mars said it became "very clear, very quickly" that it had made a mistake.

In just one week, more than 6,000 people bombarded the company, which produces the Mars, Snickers, Maltesers and Galaxy brands, with phone and e-mail complaints.

Forty MPs also signed a petition to voice their opposition.

Fiona Dawson, managing director of Mars UK, said the company had listened to customers and decided to reverse its decision.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673549.stm

 

[synth3tik]

As a vegetarian I could care less. American chocolate is gross, it is made with rotten milk if you remember 8th grade economics. Having a fattening snack food become uneatable is no problem, never wanted to eat them before anyway.

 

[zim]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6673549.stm

This is good news

 

[Queso]

Whey-hey!

 

[gavd]

It's good that they've reversed there decision and a couple of people I know will be pleased to see that.

Also good to see a company listening to what the consumer wants!

Whey-hey!

Nice and subtle!