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Mavericks is the worst, most buggy OS Apple has ever released.
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I don't know if I would say that. Windows 8 brought so many MAJOR changes to both the internal handling of Windows and the UI. Mavericks, on the other hand, was pretty much a small upgrade comparatively, with very scant UI changes (excepting Notes/Calendar/Contacts) from ML. Honestly, if I didn't see the Maps/iBook icon on the dock, I wouldn't be able to tell if the computer was running Mavericks or ML.
A better comparison may be... Windows 98 (1st edition, not the 2nd) from Windows 95?
You're right, it isn't like 8. Perhaps Mavericks could be seen as a service pack or earlier/later edition.
Weird problems with Mavericks <RANT>
I've got a 2012 Mac Mini loaded with 16GB - it came with Mountain Lion installed. I liked Mountain Lion. I've a Santa-Rosa 2007 laptop - loaded with Snow Leopard, as far as it's going to go. Anyway ... along comes Mavericks!
1. Whenever I log on, the thing crawls along. It loads this and that. It has this weird spinner in the middle as it does all these weird things. I cannot figure out just WTF is it doing? Can anyone tell me? I try to scan google and all I get are apples stupid forums with people asking the same or similar question and all they get are some cryptic response with some stupid answer that has no bearing on the problem. That's the problem with the geniuses at apple, especially the ones at the store. They really aren't geniuses at all unless you call plugging your machine into a computer to glean the serial number and configuration stuff that geniuses do. No, they're just dumb drones who do nothing but perform rituals with your machine while claiming if they can't fix it, NO ONE CAN!
So just what the hell is the thing doing when I log on? It can take several minutes for the machine to become useable. Mountain Lion did none of this crap. How can I turn this crap off? I've tried the command line tricks, shutting off hibernation, etc. It would be faster, in fact, to just shut the damn thing down and bring it back but my kids use the separate accounts I've got on the machine.
Let it be said I spend 8 hours per day coding in "C" and assembly for a variety of 8/16/32 bit microprocessors as I have for the last 20 freaking years developing among other things high security firmware for the US military and I haven't a clue what the hell this operating system is doing. It drives me NUTS! Granted I've not tried much to figure it out by digging around in the terminal, but JHC, WTF IS THIS THING DOING!?!?!?! Help me STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Please?
2. Lately, whenever I log on after it's been perhaps several hours, my WIFI connection is disconnected. This didn't happen during the first few months of Mavericks. If I click on the little wifi icon in the bar it will show my two networks (this mini has never seen another), and let me pick one - and it blinks a bit doing the hulu-wave and then it stops, just gray, not connected. I figured out how to get it to work, fortunately, by going into the preferences, turning off wifi, waiting a few seconds (if I don't, this workaround doesn't help), and then turning wifi back on - a few seconds later my two networks appear and I pick one and I'm golden! If I don't turn off wifi first (in preferences), but pick one of the WIFI addresses, it asks me for the WPA2 password so at this point I just turn it off and back on so it won't ask me for my password. Got that? THIS THING IS SCREWED UP!! Can anyone tell me WTF this thing is doing??
I like some of the Mavericks features, including the free Aperture and Life apps, but this new behavior is very disturbing!! Does anyone on MacRumors have a clue what to do for my problem? I don't need some buffoon like the guys at apple pointing me to some WIFI diagnostics - my WIFI is absolutely fine. Man, I didn't care much for Steve Jobs, he was mean, but this Tim Cook I've got a real bad feeling about - even though he may not have had much to do with these latest problems - he's the changed variable I can point at! Maybe Steve Jobs had a penchant for testing heavily - GOK there's never enough testing - but good grief ... what is all this new crap that doesn't seem to be getting fixed with the upgrades?
I've tried turning off/on smart napping, everything but never sleeping, but as soon as my machine goes to sleep this weird, hated behavior manifests, and I want it exorcised!!!
BB
EDIT: I should add that turning off and back on WIFI using the menu bar does not help. I must do it in the preferences pane!!
I've got a 2012 Mac Mini loaded with 16GB - it came with Mountain Lion installed. I liked Mountain Lion. I've a Santa-Rosa 2007 laptop - loaded with Snow Leopard, as far as it's going to go. Anyway ... along comes Mavericks!
1. Whenever I log on, the thing crawls along. It loads this and that. It has this weird spinner in the middle as it does all these weird things. I cannot figure out just WTF is it doing? Can anyone tell me? I try to scan google and all I get are apples stupid forums with people asking the same or similar question and all they get are some cryptic response with some stupid answer that has no bearing on the problem. That's the problem with the geniuses at apple, especially the ones at the store. They really aren't geniuses at all unless you call plugging your machine into a computer to glean the serial number and configuration stuff that geniuses do. No, they're just dumb drones who do nothing but perform rituals with your machine while claiming if they can't fix it, NO ONE CAN!
So just what the hell is the thing doing when I log on? It can take several minutes for the machine to become useable. Mountain Lion did none of this crap. How can I turn this crap off? I've tried the command line tricks, shutting off hibernation, etc. It would be faster, in fact, to just shut the damn thing down and bring it back but my kids use the separate accounts I've got on the machine.
Let it be said I spend 8 hours per day coding in "C" and assembly for a variety of 8/16/32 bit microprocessors as I have for the last 20 freaking years developing among other things high security firmware for the US military and I haven't a clue what the hell this operating system is doing. It drives me NUTS! Granted I've not tried much to figure it out by digging around in the terminal, but JHC, WTF IS THIS THING DOING!?!?!?! Help me STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!
Please?
2. Lately, whenever I log on after it's been perhaps several hours, my WIFI connection is disconnected. This didn't happen during the first few months of Mavericks. If I click on the little wifi icon in the bar it will show my two networks (this mini has never seen another), and let me pick one - and it blinks a bit doing the hulu-wave and then it stops, just gray, not connected. I figured out how to get it to work, fortunately, by going into the preferences, turning off wifi, waiting a few seconds (if I don't, this workaround doesn't help), and then turning wifi back on - a few seconds later my two networks appear and I pick one and I'm golden! If I don't turn off wifi first (in preferences), but pick one of the WIFI addresses, it asks me for the WPA2 password so at this point I just turn it off and back on so it won't ask me for my password. Got that? THIS THING IS SCREWED UP!! Can anyone tell me WTF this thing is doing??
I like some of the Mavericks features, including the free Aperture and Life apps, but this new behavior is very disturbing!! Does anyone on MacRumors have a clue what to do for my problem? I don't need some buffoon like the guys at apple pointing me to some WIFI diagnostics - my WIFI is absolutely fine. Man, I didn't care much for Steve Jobs, he was mean, but this Tim Cook I've got a real bad feeling about - even though he may not have had much to do with these latest problems - he's the changed variable I can point at! Maybe Steve Jobs had a penchant for testing heavily - GOK there's never enough testing - but good grief ... what is all this new crap that doesn't seem to be getting fixed with the upgrades?
I've tried turning off/on smart napping, everything but never sleeping, but as soon as my machine goes to sleep this weird, hated behavior manifests, and I want it exorcised!!!
BB
EDIT: I should add that turning off and back on WIFI using the menu bar does not help. I must do it in the preferences pane!!
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No-one?
Just as I thought. My experience is so strange and weird that it's difficult to comprehend - Apple bugs are bizarre indeed. No-one?
Just as I thought. My experience is so strange and weird that it's difficult to comprehend - Apple bugs are bizarre indeed. No-one?
wifi issue half resolved
I deleted all the other potential network connections (ethernet, thunderbolt, etc.) and left only the WIFI and now it will remain connected for awhile, and, I can reconnect using the menu bar.
Not perfect, but much better!
I deleted all the other potential network connections (ethernet, thunderbolt, etc.) and left only the WIFI and now it will remain connected for awhile, and, I can reconnect using the menu bar.
Not perfect, but much better!
Many of Maverick's early issues were universal, in that they affected everyone - not only those who had certain software installed.
It's generally quite well accepted that SL was/is one of the best OS X releases.
Are you sure it's running out of memory? What does the memory pressure graph in Activity Monitor show? If ti's green, then you aren't even close to using all of your memory.
As someone who extensively used Windows up to and including Windows 7 and started using a Mac with 10.5, I'd go so far as to say SL is one of the best operating systems ever made.
in my humble experience, snow leopard was probably apple's best OS...followed closely by mavericks. for me:
10.2 first usable os x, not great but a good start
10.3.9 was decent
10.4 eh
10.5 not so great
10.6.8 awesome
10.7 not so good
10.8 better than 10.7
10.9 pretty great
10.2 first usable os x, not great but a good start
10.3.9 was decent
10.4 eh
10.5 not so great
10.6.8 awesome
10.7 not so good
10.8 better than 10.7
10.9 pretty great
I never heard the fan on my 2011 MBA. Immediately after upping to Mav, it starting whining up constantly under the slightest loaf. I had hoped it would calm down eventually, like maybe it wad reorganizing a big database or something, but it never did. I miss the quiet fanlessness of the old OS. Sigh.
I'd recommend downgrading to ML. Backup, restart your computer, press option+command+R. This will download the recovery partition for the original OS that came preinstalled with your Mini - in your case, 10.8. Let the installer do it's thing, and hold out until 10.9.3/4 or OS X 10.10 and see it, by then, those strange issues were resolved.
If ML still has the same issues, it might be hardware related?
If ML still has the same issues, it might be hardware related?
Mavericks terrible for me
I have to agree with the OP. There are many things I hate about Mavericks (I came from SL). I would counsel those coming from SL to consider not installing it. And this is 7 months in. Here is just one bug that I find inexplicable:
In Textedit, if you go into an existing doc and edit it, and then close the window and/or the program, there is no warning asking if you want to save changes. Just overwrites. This breaks a major rule in software design: Don't allow data erasure with one--possibly accidental--click.
As far as the severe slowdowns and crashes that I also have with Mail and Safari, I will clean install and see if that takes care of it. If that is the problem, Apple should offer to clean install for free. It's not as easy as it used to be, and I wouldn't advise it for tyros.
I have to agree with the OP. There are many things I hate about Mavericks (I came from SL). I would counsel those coming from SL to consider not installing it. And this is 7 months in. Here is just one bug that I find inexplicable:
In Textedit, if you go into an existing doc and edit it, and then close the window and/or the program, there is no warning asking if you want to save changes. Just overwrites. This breaks a major rule in software design: Don't allow data erasure with one--possibly accidental--click.
As far as the severe slowdowns and crashes that I also have with Mail and Safari, I will clean install and see if that takes care of it. If that is the problem, Apple should offer to clean install for free. It's not as easy as it used to be, and I wouldn't advise it for tyros.
That's not a bug. It was a change in the document model that was introduced with Lion. Files are automatically saved. There is no data loss in the situation you describe. You can simply revert to a previous version.http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4753
The feature set consisting of autosave/resume/versions introduced in Lion is IMHO a fantastic approach. However if app developers don't buy into it then some apps behave the old way while others behave the new way and it can get confusing.
You can make TextEdit and other applications that do autosave/resume to ask you first before exiting the application to save by following the checkmarks on the attached dialog to ask to save changes.
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Thanks for the info, posters. I will admit to not looking into "versions" re Textedit. But, honestly, I don't want my computer saving old versions automatically. I can rename a file if I want to save different versions. Call me old fashioned.
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Kool-Aid: Where is that dialog box? Not seeing it in Mavericks Textedit>Preferences.
Thanks for the info, posters. I will admit to not looking into "versions" re Textedit. But, honestly, I don't want my computer saving old versions automatically. I can rename a file if I want to save different versions. Call me old fashioned.
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Kool-Aid: Where is that dialog box? Not seeing it in Mavericks Textedit>Preferences.
so...
OK, still not seeing that box in Mavericks Textedit prefs.
I checked out the versions "feature", and I cannot find any way to delete old versions.
If that is so, I'd call it a Frankenstein app. Even TM gives you the ability to delete past versions...
Does this mean to delete old versions I have to copy the current version, rename it as a new doc, and delete the original? And folks are okay with that?
OK, still not seeing that box in Mavericks Textedit prefs.
I checked out the versions "feature", and I cannot find any way to delete old versions.
If that is so, I'd call it a Frankenstein app. Even TM gives you the ability to delete past versions...
Does this mean to delete old versions I have to copy the current version, rename it as a new doc, and delete the original? And folks are okay with that?
The versions are saved as "differences" so they are small. On the computer I'm using at the moment they are taking 31MB out of 86GB used, or 0.05%. Of course YMMV, but unless you are a very prolific writer its unlikely to every be a problem. Move the file off the drive and the old versions are deleted.
thnx all
Thanks Kool-Aid.
Talmy: It's not a space issue for me. It is a privacy/security issue, although admittedly theoretical for now. Maybe I'm a control freak; I just don't like machines making decisions for me behind the scenes. The version creation may be useful for many, but I would rather see it as an opt-in thing. I suspect many folks don't know that different versions are being created and saved.
Thanks Kool-Aid.
Talmy: It's not a space issue for me. It is a privacy/security issue, although admittedly theoretical for now. Maybe I'm a control freak; I just don't like machines making decisions for me behind the scenes. The version creation may be useful for many, but I would rather see it as an opt-in thing. I suspect many folks don't know that different versions are being created and saved.
I hate to break the bad news, but computers are making decisions for you behind the scenes all the time. If you store the files on an external drive (or a server) Versions is disabled. There are also numerous articles on disabling Versions, so you can do so if you wish.
As far as privacy/security, the folder with the versions is only readable from administrator accounts (and then only from the command line), so if you are the only person with an administrator account on your computer you are safe against all but the most determined hackers. If there are multiple administrator accounts you have no privacy/security anyway. If you are really concerned, you should have FileVault turned on as well.