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Mavericks is the worst, most buggy OS Apple has ever released.
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You were right buddy. I did the hardware test and it has faulty ram.
Only issue is my machine is a week out of warranty. Show me your rage..... lolz.
I had to go through this thread to make sure I didn't say something already, I feel like there's a thread like this every other day
If you think that Mavericks is the worst, most buggy OS apple has ever released, you should try Leopard where an upgrade could give you a BSOD, or Snow Leopard where letting a guest login could wipe your user account.
Until your computer has a BSOD or wipes your user account with a massive data loss bug, let me just say this: You're wrong.
And don't get me wrong, since Apple Computer Inc. became Apple Inc, I haven't been a huge fan of them.
Those must be must some very extremely rare bugs. Snow Leopard user here, logging successfully on Guest accounts for years and no issues. Never had a BSOD with Leopard either after successfully updating from Tiger.
As for Mavericks it definitely takes longer to boot up than SL on all my computers. I've measured it to take a little over twice as long. Mavericks is definitely slower and more system resource heavy.
If you look on the App Store page, Mavericks has low ratings. Most of the complaints are about bugs and various broken things. There's also some that believe Mavericks is causing GPU failures on older Macbooks, because a lot of people's Macs got bricked once they upgraded to Mavericks.
Your links only corroborate everything I said. That those were very rare isolated issues (the real issue was 3rd party software not Leopard). Whereas the issues with Mavericks do seem more widespread.
"Apple says software on users' machines that may not be Leopard-compatible is to blame. "You may have third-party 'enhancement' software installed that does not work with Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard," the company said in its support post. "
"Some on the Apple forum said the problem was due to a glitch in a third-party program called APE (Application Enhancer), created by developer Unsanity. "It looks like Application Enhancer is NOT compatible with Leopard," wrote poster 'Jon Thornburg.' "
On all the Macs that I've installed Mavericks I've had Finder Lag.
I'll open a Finder window and select Applications from the sidebar in column view. The first few apps display correctly but the rest of the list displays as generic app icons. It takes a second or two for all the apps to display their correct icons.
When opening other folders in column view there is a noticeable lag before all the folders are displayed.
It feels like Finder in Mavericks is in 'nostalgia mode' to remind me what it used to be like to have 5400 rpm spinning disks. All my Macs have SSD's now.
I've tried all the fixes including trashing the Finder preference file and commenting out the correct line in the auto_master file. Nothing fixes the problem.
This isn't a deal killer bug but it doesn't exactly instill confidence.
I'll open a Finder window and select Applications from the sidebar in column view. The first few apps display correctly but the rest of the list displays as generic app icons. It takes a second or two for all the apps to display their correct icons.
When opening other folders in column view there is a noticeable lag before all the folders are displayed.
It feels like Finder in Mavericks is in 'nostalgia mode' to remind me what it used to be like to have 5400 rpm spinning disks. All my Macs have SSD's now.
I've tried all the fixes including trashing the Finder preference file and commenting out the correct line in the auto_master file. Nothing fixes the problem.
This isn't a deal killer bug but it doesn't exactly instill confidence.
It was widespread enough that it was reported by all of the major mac blogs. In what world does an issue that big not become Apple's problem. If you try to upgrade a PC running incompatible software, Microsoft warns you. Why shouldn't Apple?
Likewise, it doesn't matter how often a data loss bug happens, it should not exist in a shipping OS. Ever. I get that you don't like Mavericks (I'm rather disappointed at how slow it is, too) but it's far from the worst OS Apple has ever released.
Mavericks has been pretty solid for me. Much better than the horrible Lion release. Mountain Lion was a step up but still carried some bugs.
I have a 2009 Mac Pro flashed to 5,1 with 10.7.5 and am thinking about upgrading. I have no problems presently but I'm concerned about breaking CS6 and GMail (Google Apps). Has anyone upgraded a similar setup? I'd prefer to have the latest OS but don't have time to deal with a cascade of problems. Any insights appreciated.
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CS6 apps all good here (PS, inD, Il, DW).
gotta say, mavericks has been overall great here (some bugs, but nothing life-threatening).
best os x since 10.6.8...
To me, the bugs were close to non-existant. Mail works fine, the new iLife is great for basic use and I have FCP for pro video. No real complaints and the whole Mac runs better with the new Memory Pressure system.
Thanks! Will have to check that memory system out. I'm not up to speed..
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Thanks for sharing. Those are the apps I can't do without so looking good.
CS5 works fine on a buddy's machine, so I can't imagine the newer CS6 not working. I don't spend much time in Photoshop so I only own Elements.
I mainly work in Xcode 5, iMovie 10, and Final Cut Pro X. Occasionally I will venture to Aperture, but it is rare that I have to do that. Everything works just fine.
Mac OS X Panther was dog slow. Scrolling, Exposé, launching apps, it all felt like dragging things through syrup, something Mac OS X Tiger largely fixed. Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger having very few issues is laughable. See my previous post:
It's funny when you upgrade a perfectly good working computer to a new OS and experience a crap load of problems and everyone attacks you and INSISTS it must be the hardware going bad or you need to reset your NVRAM and PRAM 50 times because 49 was not enough. Then you go back to the prevoius OS and all problems have vanished without any hardware changes.
It's funny when you upgrade a perfectly good working computer to a new OS and experience a crap load of problems and everyone attacks you and INSISTS it must be the hardware going bad or you need to reset your NVRAM and PRAM 50 times because 49 was not enough. Then you go back to the prevoius OS and all problems have vanished without any hardware changes.
I have an AirPort Extreme that crashes with 7.6.4 and not with 7.6.1. Swapping with an identical Extreme fixed the crashing. Sometimes hardware issues rear their ugly head during software changes.
It's funny when you upgrade a perfectly good working computer to a new OS and experience a crap load of problems and everyone attacks you and INSISTS it must be the hardware going bad or you need to reset your NVRAM and PRAM 50 times because 49 was not enough. Then you go back to the prevoius OS and all problems have vanished without any hardware changes.
it's just also true that, with EVERY new OS, some people have stellar experiences, and some have nightmares (and everything in between).
there are NO absolutes here. it really boils down to each individual's experience. so blanket statements, like the one for this thread, (mostly) don't make any sense. more honest would be to say "for me, Mavericks is the worst...".
and we'll be back at this with the next mac OS, ad infinitum...
swingerofbirch
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Gmail issues with 10.9.2
I'm someone who had no issues with 10.9.0 or 10.9.1, but now on 10.9.2 Gmail is very erratic in Mail. I went a whole day thinking I had gotten no messages today, then happened to check gmail.com and saw I had received 10. They eventually came in to Mail when I quit, reopened the program, and then hit Get Mail quite a few times.
How can Maverick at this stage (two revisions in) be so buggy with one of the world's most popular e-mail services?
I'm experiencing a lot of bugs with screen sharing and sleep as well, but I won't go into all those because they're somewhat specific to my set up (a Mac mini connected to a TV).
I'm someone who had no issues with 10.9.0 or 10.9.1, but now on 10.9.2 Gmail is very erratic in Mail. I went a whole day thinking I had gotten no messages today, then happened to check gmail.com and saw I had received 10. They eventually came in to Mail when I quit, reopened the program, and then hit Get Mail quite a few times.
How can Maverick at this stage (two revisions in) be so buggy with one of the world's most popular e-mail services?
I'm experiencing a lot of bugs with screen sharing and sleep as well, but I won't go into all those because they're somewhat specific to my set up (a Mac mini connected to a TV).
I thought the same about someone's iMac that has really gone to hell with crashing since 10.9.2. Ordered them new RAM to upgrade at the very least, had them pull old RAM and run off new RAM, which you'd generally have to imagine is going to be fine. What do you know? No change in behavior at all. System still crashes frequently. Old RAM and upgrade RAM currently installed, same behavior, so I'm pretty confident that in many of these cases, RAM is not the issue. I mean, the fact that some people haven't had crashing issues prior to 10.9.2 is rather telling as well. All other hardware checks out in AHT, and the old RAM previously passed extended test. No disk errors found in OS X and in Recovery according to Disk Utility. Reinstalling 10.9.2 did nothing either. System was running slower in Mavericks in 10.9.0 and 10.9.1 but not crashing. All that changed between the slow days and the crashing days was 10.9.2.
Again, while I have minimal problems myself, I consider myself lucky, because I've had to help (usually without success) more people than I ever have with Macs since Mavericks. Getting people out of Windows and onto Macs used to make my life easier. Since Mavericks, it's just a steady string of headaches, all the time. It's literally been worse in terms of frequency and severity of issues than any Windows 7 troubleshooting I've had to do, because more often than not, there's nothing I can do to rectify the issue sans putting them back on Mountain Lion.
It's just really unfortunate that they have this many issues. Can't say it enough, but I really hope they ditch this yearly update of OS X idea. They need to take more time to get the software right, and the second they decided to overhaul iOS with a merged team of engineers, Mavericks should've been put on the back burner. It would've likely improved the early iOS 7 experience for users while allowing more time to get Mavericks right.
Hmm. While Mavericks isn't the worst version of Mac OS X to date, it definitely is buggy and chunky/slow in many aspects. Panther, Leopard, and Lion gave Mavericks a run for its' money, though. Panther had data loss issues with Firmwire hard drives and was generally buggy; Leopard was slow and sluggish, especially with networking; and Lion...well, let's not even go there.
I think the best versions of Mac OS X were Jaguar, Tiger, Snow Leopard, and Mountain Lion. Generally, the rule of thumb is to wait until 10.x.3, as by then, things pretty much has settled down with the OS. My feeling tells me that Apple rushed 10.9.2 out because of the major SSL issues that were unresolved in 10.9.1, and as a result, some new bugs and unresolved bugs were left in the shipping build of 10.9.2. Hopefully, 10.9.3 will button up those issues and make Mavericks finally more stable and lessen the complaints, but if not, Apple may just move on to 10.10. The cycle of 'every other OS X version being bad' will probably repeat, and 10.10 will be well-loved, just like 10.8 and 10.6 was.
I think the best versions of Mac OS X were Jaguar, Tiger, Snow Leopard, and Mountain Lion. Generally, the rule of thumb is to wait until 10.x.3, as by then, things pretty much has settled down with the OS. My feeling tells me that Apple rushed 10.9.2 out because of the major SSL issues that were unresolved in 10.9.1, and as a result, some new bugs and unresolved bugs were left in the shipping build of 10.9.2. Hopefully, 10.9.3 will button up those issues and make Mavericks finally more stable and lessen the complaints, but if not, Apple may just move on to 10.10. The cycle of 'every other OS X version being bad' will probably repeat, and 10.10 will be well-loved, just like 10.8 and 10.6 was.
Being reported on the Mac blogoshere doesn't make it a big issue. Even small issues get reported on the blogs. That particular issue you mentioned likely only only affected a minority who used those specific 3rd party apps.
If according to Apple the problems were caused by non compatible 3d party software. Then it is practically impossible for Apple to test with their installer for compatibility with every piece of 3rd party software on the market. In fact the onus is on developers to make sure their apps follow all the guidelines and don't break the OS X installer. Additionally if they are any issues with their apps, 3rd developers should report bugs to Apple whilst OS X is still in it's beta stages.
Are you saying that it's not a big issue, or that Mavericks has larger issues than blue screen of death's and unexpected user account deletion?