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May 18th? G5 Updates?
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Here is my prediction.
Steve is a showman and he promised 3gigs by this date - and he will deliver. And if there was some delay Steve is not going to announce it or face public humiliation at WWDC - he would have announced/hinted it by now so not to CRUSH the WWDC attendees who paid alot to be happy - not sad. I bet insiders will attest that speed bumps were planned but some radical new idea or paradign shift made it worth while to hold off til June and instead of bump bump upgrades we get a KABOOM upgrade in June.
Time will tell but whenever it does happen I bet we are so amazed that we forget about that little lack of an upgrade in Jan or the one in Feb or the one in march all of which never came.... wait and see new G5s are coming but that is the same as saying California will have an earth quake in the future - both are given but only God and Steve Jobs can answer those questions.
(I bet Billy G was about to answer the earthquake question since Win XP is supposed to be powerful... but some hacker must have deleted that memo - sigh 10.5 is coming - and I'll be safe under my desk with my Mac! - but I guess we will never know... must be due to one of those little security flaws that all the money in the world can't fix!)
LONG Live SASSER - go buy a mac!
Irie
PS - Sasser is Apples NEW direct marketing campaign - heck with the catalog idea! I love it!
Here is my prediction.
Steve is a showman and he promised 3gigs by this date - and he will deliver. And if there was some delay Steve is not going to announce it or face public humiliation at WWDC - he would have announced/hinted it by now so not to CRUSH the WWDC attendees who paid alot to be happy - not sad. I bet insiders will attest that speed bumps were planned but some radical new idea or paradign shift made it worth while to hold off til June and instead of bump bump upgrades we get a KABOOM upgrade in June.
Time will tell but whenever it does happen I bet we are so amazed that we forget about that little lack of an upgrade in Jan or the one in Feb or the one in march all of which never came.... wait and see new G5s are coming but that is the same as saying California will have an earth quake in the future - both are given but only God and Steve Jobs can answer those questions.
(I bet Billy G was about to answer the earthquake question since Win XP is supposed to be powerful... but some hacker must have deleted that memo - sigh 10.5 is coming - and I'll be safe under my desk with my Mac! - but I guess we will never know... must be due to one of those little security flaws that all the money in the world can't fix!)
LONG Live SASSER - go buy a mac!
Irie
PS - Sasser is Apples NEW direct marketing campaign - heck with the catalog idea! I love it!
numediaman said:
edesignuk said:In which case we'll all know that Apple is in fact full of ****, and doesn't keep very public promises, and that IBM is just as good as freakin' moto
Wow, that's jumping to a conclusion, if I ever saw one!
This May 18th date is total BS. The Xserve G5s are showing 5-7 week delay. And that's just for 2.0 ghz 970fxs. If they're having hard eough time churning out 2.0 ghz (and I'm assuming the delay has to do with IBM and not Apple), then it'll be a while until they hit anything in the 2.4-2.6 ghz range.
And no matter what some people say, I don't think they will bypass the 970fx, which is rumored to top out at 2.6-2.8 ghz, and go straight to the 975 (or 980?) at 3.0 ghz. Face it, Steve goofed when he said 3 ghz by the end of the summer. People should be happy to have the 2.6 ghzs shipping by WWDC.
And no matter what some people say, I don't think they will bypass the 970fx, which is rumored to top out at 2.6-2.8 ghz, and go straight to the 975 (or 980?) at 3.0 ghz. Face it, Steve goofed when he said 3 ghz by the end of the summer. People should be happy to have the 2.6 ghzs shipping by WWDC.
numediaman said:
I agree, things are really too quiet. I'm one of the seemingly many waiting for the updates to the iMac and Power Mac G5 lines. What struck me as odd was the recent front page Power Mac G5 banners on the Apple website. Why would they put such an ad up when that spot is usually reserved for larger announcements such as new systems/software? This leads me to believe that something was scheduled to be released then but it just didn't make it.
Furthermore, is Apple going to miss the back-to-school opportunity again? Last year new G5's went to student purchases first because schools were already back in session. With late updates to the iMac and Power Mac lines is this going to happen again this year?
I'd claim the Power Mac's are late due to late delivery of G5 processors. Someone else posted awhile back that we won't see Power Mac G5 updates until the delivery delays for the Xserves goes below 1 week. I agree with that assesment. What makes me nervous is that we are still seeing long delays for Xserves. I expected the next iMac revision to utilize the G5 but I'm starting to believe we could see one more revision of a G4 iMac. I don't have a problem with this at all but I'd like to see some lower prices if that is the case. If updated G5's are late, why not just reduce prices a notch?
What will happen if we have new systems announced at WWDC but with expected deliveries starting months later? This is called a "stock-out" and the largest impact of a stock-out is that your customers start to go elsewhere. We've seen some fairly significant stock-outs from Apple for more than a year now (Power Mac G5's, Xserves, iPod Mini's) and I'd like to see some signs that they are working to resolve these.
Bottom Line: Apple doesn't have a problem with design or marketing, it has a problem with execution.
PPC970FX said:Rev B G5 will come the day that IBM can get the PPC970FX to work at 3Ghz. Or they will wait to the Power 5 light comes PPC975. That will kick ass.
dual dual core 3Ghz G6
IBM might be thinking a little differently these days.
http://www.eetimes.com/semi/news/sh...id=EHHZDWX2DW4S2QSNDBGCKHY?articleID=19502091
INTEL could be the only one to scale above 3Ghz.
hacksaw
May 18th could be iMac updates because it has been about 6 months since the last update hasn't it. In which case it will likely be just an evolutionary change to 1.5GHz G4 and better graphics. But it would be nice if it was a revolutionary change to the iMac G5.
The Powermac will likely have to wait until June 28 for the WWDC. But hopefully the wait will be worthwhile.
The Powermac will likely have to wait until June 28 for the WWDC. But hopefully the wait will be worthwhile.
Before WWDC
I fear that they will do something before WWDC - because the last thing SJ wants to do is go out there and announce 'small bumps' to the powermacs.
Inventory seems low to me on the current machines - channel is clearing (which could also be due to lack of interest) - time for some little bumps now, and a big one in the fall.
They are already talking 'Tiger' for the keynote at WWDC.
I fear that they will do something before WWDC - because the last thing SJ wants to do is go out there and announce 'small bumps' to the powermacs.
Inventory seems low to me on the current machines - channel is clearing (which could also be due to lack of interest) - time for some little bumps now, and a big one in the fall.
They are already talking 'Tiger' for the keynote at WWDC.
strangelogic said:
Mmm. That's a reasonable thought. Maybe Paris in September to get the real bumps...
but if september was the date for a major g5 overhaul that would mean its been over 1 year since the introduction of the g5, with no changes to the top model of the line.
hacksaw said:
Considering that Intel's the one changing design philosophy soon, I think that you're a bit off on your assertions. IBM has supported the PowerPC for some time. Intel and AMD are the ones moving to more and more RISC-like implementations, with AMD far in the lead of Intel on adopting the philosophy.
At a cost of 100 watts and with no clear performance advantage over the 2.4ghz Athlon 64 FX-53 or the 2.2ghz Opteron 248. Wake me up when they get Jonas working...
virividox said:
I think you missed the point. Unless I'm misreading what he's saying, aswitcher thinks that it would be reasonable for Apple to bump the line this month, and then ship the major bumps in September. That would be eleven months from announcement and around eight or nine months sice shipping between updates.
Of coure, I don't think it's likely, and if we do see PowerMac upgrades on the 18th, it's either going to be 3.0ghz and sit there, or it's going to mean no jump to 3.0 for a while. A three to four month cycle would only piss off people who are waiting on the promise for this summer.
Some people care about the iMac.
Some people care about the a G5 iMac. I personally want want so that I can do video/photo editing and I want to do it in the living room where there is no room for a PowerMac etc.
Also I don't want to buy a new Mac that is less powerful than my old PC (even if it does have better software).
Peter
tunanut said:
Some people care about the a G5 iMac. I personally want want so that I can do video/photo editing and I want to do it in the living room where there is no room for a PowerMac etc.
Also I don't want to buy a new Mac that is less powerful than my old PC (even if it does have better software).
Peter
oldpismo said:
Then you've fallen prey to the hype and glitter. The G5 is neither low-power, nor high-performance enough to warrant the kind of noise sacrifice that would have to be made (unless there's something I'm completely unaware of). As I've reiterated to the G5 PowerBook crowd, even the 970fx consumes 25-30w at 2.0ghz, and a single 1.6 isn't much faster than the single 1.5 G4, while using much more heat overall.
The sane thing to do is to either use the Freescale 2.0ghz dual-core e600, which will use less FSB (and hence less heat), allow SMP optimizations, and weigh in at around 25w for the chip is a a whole. Or, if it really does exist, to finished production on the VX and use it, because both of those processors are for more friendly to enclosed spaces, while also being better performers than the G4 of today.
tunanut said:
For "casual Joe", there is a real difference between a computer that hasn't increased in speed significantly for 9 months. There is also a real differnce between average Joe at the CompUSA deciding between a $1200 consumer iMac @ 1.33 G4 and a $399 consumer emachine/HP/Compaq @ 2.6 Celeron with a $350 flat panel screen. I personally prefer OSX, but "Joe" probably likes the bubbly blue XP interface just as well.
These processors are probably pretty equivalent in a lot of ways, but its very difficult for someone who doesn't read alot of bboards to really think that he'll get equal performance and value between a 1.33 processor over a 2.6 processor.
dieselg4 said:
"Casual Joe" is not likely to appreciate AMD, either, then. All he wants is a cheap computer with big numbers, and that's what he's going to get. Intel has shot themselves right in the ass on this particular point, though, when it comes to laptops. Thanks to "Casual Joe," the P4-M and Celeron are both outselling the Centrino in some markets.
Also, your statement that it's "very difficult" is patently false. There are scores of benchmarking and information sites out there that can tell you about machines, and there's even Consumer Reports for the really computer illiterate. This is laziness, not a lack of informational availability, and Apple shouldn't pander to it.
I fully expect an update at WWDC -- the issue is it an update worth writing home about? Just as Apple has "refreshed" its laptop lines, they are not going to wait forever to update the PowerMac. For one thing, they can put in new optical drives, update the FW and Power Supply. These may seem minor, but they are definitely worth doing in an update.
If they only fixed outstanding issues and upgraded many of the components, and did not increase the speeds, I would probably go ahead and buy. If they do nothing, sales will just inch along.
(Forget about any annoucements for Macworld Boston, of course.)
If they only fixed outstanding issues and upgraded many of the components, and did not increase the speeds, I would probably go ahead and buy. If they do nothing, sales will just inch along.
(Forget about any annoucements for Macworld Boston, of course.)
I think they could still dramatically improve the overall output speed of the PM's without updating the processors by much, if any at all.
The bus and rest of the architecture is still slowing the system as a whole down, the chip is not the underperforming part of the system, maybe if they update the rest of the architecture throw in the newest video card upgrade the standard ram etc and advertise the speed increases that will make up for lack of 3GHz ( thats if they cant get a 3 out, either way they should spend some time on the rest of the architecture)
The bus and rest of the architecture is still slowing the system as a whole down, the chip is not the underperforming part of the system, maybe if they update the rest of the architecture throw in the newest video card upgrade the standard ram etc and advertise the speed increases that will make up for lack of 3GHz ( thats if they cant get a 3 out, either way they should spend some time on the rest of the architecture)
aussiemac86 said:
I can name four things they could do:
1) SATA RAID with 10,000 RPM Drives.
2) Move to PC4200 Dual-Channel RAM, because it's not much more expensive than PC3200.
3) Work on new deals with ATI and nVidia to get top-end GPUs on simultaneous release.
4) Up the ASIC frequency and move to a 1.5:1 or 1:1 ratio.
Actually, the chips can be loaded up. You just have to use enough RAM to avoid disk access. That's the big advantage of 64-bit addressing, after all. The slowest part of the system as it stands (and this is true on the PC side, as well) is the hard drive and the optical drive.
thatwendigo said:
Points 1 2 and 3 are just a must really aint they???
i fully agree with you on that one.....
ati should release product for apple on the same day that they do for pcs
Come on dual 3.5ghz *figure Crossed*
While we are dreaming how about a trip to the moon on my spaceship i built in my backyard.
While we are dreaming how about a trip to the moon on my spaceship i built in my backyard.
I don't know if this means anything, I ordered a G5 1.6 last week and it was supposed to ship yesterday (May 7th) but I got an email telling me that the date for shipment has been pushed back til the 17th of May. I called Apple yesterday and told me everything was on track for it to be shipped yesterday, but no shipmen. Now I know that this may mean nothing, but it could also mean that the rumor is true and that they will be updating on the 18th. All I know is that if updates are coming soon I am going to cancel me order and wait till they do update.
Wazime
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