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Makes sense. Apple is too cheap to pay what another company is worth and has absolutely no direction on future innovation. Now they went from building a car, which was relatively stupid, to making systems that no vehicle manufacturer will want. Why would vehicle manufacturers want anything from Apple when they develop their own semi-autonomoues technologies in-house or get them from Mobileye? Even Tesla rolled its own solution into production vehicles in less than a year... Apple has been chewing on this for how long? Idiots.

Then buy a Google self-driving car.

After $20 billion in R&D, Apple will announce something stupid that nobody wants. And Tim Cook will talk about all the great products in the pipeline. Unfortunately, by the time anything they are "working on" is ready, iPhone and iPad sales will be tanking while other companies, like Google, innovate with actually desirable phones like the Pixel. Nobody will want a car that integrates seamlessly into the iOS ecosystem by 2020. Look at the sales trajectory of Apple's mobile products: DOWN.

"Nobody" wants, like 104% of the mobile industry profits, #1 in revenue in tablets, #1 in revenue in PC's

"Desirable phones like the Pixel" <-- This is the worst joke I've ever heard, not even Android fanboys want the pixel, and Google isn't selling any, they won't even release the numbers.

Tim Cook's days are numbered, that is, if the Board of Directors is paying any attention to what's not happening in Cupertino: Innovation. Cook has not structured the company in a way that promotes innovation, clearly evident by the lack of any attention being paid to its UI and product lines. Phil Schiller keeps getting fatter as he pumps out useless products nobody wants.

Yeah, they are going to hire you!

This is a very sad time for Apple.

That was a sad comment.
 
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Apple can't put together a pair of earphones and ship them on time. I think it is safe to say the pipeline on cars is plugged for now.
 
A computer where any damage to what effectively is the 'On' switch needs a new motherboard including the SSD, is design gone mad.
There is no 'On' switch anymore, the machine boots on opening up the lid. I assume you can avoid registering your fingerprint altogether, so you never need to use the TouchID sensor/button, if you don't want to. I further assume, you can always log in with your password, so a defunct TouchID sensor won't lock you out of your MacBook Pro, as it doesn't lock you out of an iPhone. If a defective TouchID sensor is replaced, it must be re-registered with the secure element. This requires an authorized service provider, not a guy in his basement. Other than this last constraint, I don't see why you want to throw away a perfectly working motherboard?
 
Apple can't put together a pair of earphones and ship them on time. I think it is safe to say the pipeline on cars is plugged for now.


Yep. Apple is only the largest seller of wireless headphones in the world. They are only the largest seller of wired headphones in the world. Yep. Like fish in a barrel, you make this too easy.
 
Me neither.

I think the problems would be insurmountable. We will continue to have a gradual increase in driving aids like lane control and cruise control, but I can't see fully automated cars happening for at least several decades. Planes have had auto-pilot for decades, yet still need a pilot, and their environment is much more straightforward than cars. Add in the potential for hacking an auto network, and autonomy seems implausible.

Flying an airplane is actually far less straight-forward. It adds not only another dimension but environmental effects and a level of precision not faced by drivers of cars, and requires a lot more skill and training. It's also kind of simplistic to analogize an aviation autopilot to self-driving cars. The most basic autopilots do nothing more than attempt to level the wings or hold an altitude or course. The more sophisticated systems can fly the airplane right down to the centerline of the runway with a level of precision a human pilot would be challenged to match.

But I think you've made a contradictory argument that goes to the heart of the matter: the problems are insurmountable, yet they may be surmounted, but it might take a few decades. Over that time what we are likely to see is increasingly sophisticated driver assistance systems. I think it will take far less than many believe for automated driving systems to improve on the skills of human drivers, if only because humans are on average very poor at that skill.
 
Steve knew that a tight focus on a few products enabled Apple to get the most out of the products. Apple's current approach to encompass so many different things at once, reminds me of Microsoft.
LMAO!!! Let me get this straight: under Jobs' watch we saw Apple Computers change its name to just plain Apple, introduce the iPod, iPhone, iPad, AppleTV, iTunes, App Store, and get into bricks and mortar retail. But in your reality Apple has become too diversified SINCE he died. Wow, I am impressed. Just when I thought MR posters had stepped as far off the reality train as possible you come along to prove me wrong.

Ironically, we have others stating Apple doesn't innovate enough, and my personal favourite, that the current iPhone and Apple Watch are failures.

I've loved Apple. I hate what it has become. :(
It would seem you neither know what Apple has been or what it is now. But, no worries, that has not disqualified anyone from posting on MR for years.
 
The two happiest days of a McLaren owner...

The day they buy the car....and the day they cut their losses.

They used to say much the same about Lotus cars. The rumour this side of the pond was that Lotus was really an acronym for, Lots Of Trouble Usually Serious
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......what makes the current version of windows such a POS?
In part the contortions you need to go through to maintain any semblance of privacy. I use Win7 most days and to be fair it does what its supposed to do. Much of that is probably due to the Uni's army of support staff that keep the show on the road, something that I couldn't be bothered to try an replicate at home.

The majority of MR members are quite late at the realization that the post-Jobs Apple is going downhill.
Fair comment. I really do feel Apple has lost its sense of direction. The deal with IBM looked good but what are they pushing to the pro market beyond the iPad? The mini is an obvious corporate box that would find service with cubicle droids, but what else does Apple have to offer the seriously Pro market? It's OK to push the watch as a data gatherer for health care systems but they then have to rely on a Win or Linux box to do the heavy number crunching.

Given that a strung together set of G5 Mac Pros once made it to the SuperComputer list I find this rather sad, especially as it is a screaming marketing opportunity to sell the brand to the general user.
 
Makes sense. Apple is too cheap to pay what another company is worth and has absolutely no direction on future innovation. Now they went from building a car, which was relatively stupid, to making systems that no vehicle manufacturer will want. Why would vehicle manufacturers want anything from Apple when they develop their own semi-autonomoues technologies in-house or get them from Mobileye? Even Tesla rolled its own solution into production vehicles in less than a year... Apple has been chewing on this for how long? Idiots.

After $20 billion in R&D, Apple will announce something stupid that nobody wants. And Tim Cook will talk about all the great products in the pipeline. Unfortunately, by the time anything they are "working on" is ready, iPhone and iPad sales will be tanking while other companies, like Google, innovate with actually desirable phones like the Pixel. Nobody will want a car that integrates seamlessly into the iOS ecosystem by 2020. Look at the sales trajectory of Apple's mobile products: DOWN.

Tim Cook's days are numbered, that is, if the Board of Directors is paying any attention to what's not happening in Cupertino: Innovation. Cook has not structured the company in a way that promotes innovation, clearly evident by the lack of any attention being paid to its UI and product lines. Phil Schiller keeps getting fatter as he pumps out useless products nobody wants.

This is a very sad time for Apple.

Thats a lot of assumptions you make...
Tesla is the only company with autonomous driving worth anything.
Apple is the only company with the scale/integration to compete
iPhone and iPad sales have no reason to "tank" in the future.
Perhaps the Pixel will be successful...I mean, how many attempts has google made? Android, Nexus, Google Music, Chromebooks...have any of the made a dent in Apple's trajectory?
 
Unfortunately, by the time anything they are "working on" is ready, iPhone and iPad sales will be tanking while other companies, like Google, innovate with actually desirable phones like the Pixel.

Where do you see innovation in the Pixel? It's one of the most blatant rip-offs ever.
 
It's one thing for people to people to be critical of Apple's handling of their current product line. But in this thread people are critical because they believe Apple would screw up a company that's on a roll. That seems more telling.

Yeah, the negativity in this forum is astounding. Whenever Apple has a success, they move the goalposts of what "success" is.
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Wrong target. It's Ive that's doing the damage. When I see a laptop where everything is soldered to the motherboard, including AFAICT, the touch ID, I conclude function has gone bye-byes. A computer where any damage to what effectively is the 'On' switch needs a new motherboard including the SSD, is design gone mad.

I've been a Mac user since the early 90s and if Windows wasn't such a pos, I'd be looking seriously at jumping ship.

It's less Windows and more the OEMS, in my opinion. If Microsoft did a pure-Windows, non-touch pro notebook, with a large trackpad, that would be tempting.
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Steve knew that a tight focus on a few products enabled Apple to get the most out of the products. Apple's current approach to encompass so many different things at once, reminds me of Microsoft. Spreading into the car manufacturing industry is by far the most ludicrous idea Apple's ever had. I wouldn't mind if all the products were up and running and running well, but quite frankly, nobody can deny that Apple's quality standards have slipped, in software and in hardware development. If a company tries to do too much at once, it may fail.

While at it, here are some more ideas for Apple: cow milking is an industry that may need an Apple product, or toilet seats, or false news generators (although the latter would at least be in the field that Apple used to be in, before it became a bank, a streaming service, and faulty software developer.

Sigh.

I've loved Apple. I hate what it has become. :(

Honestly, I don't think their quality has slipped. We're all just used to Apple products.

In the days of the original iPhone, if Safari crashed on your phone, so what? You had the only phone which had access to the full internet, not the shoddy mobile "baby internet". Now, it's a serious bug, because all the competitors' products have access to the full internet, as well.

My mother in law's laptop stopped connecting to the internet. I troubleshooted for it. It was a Toshiba, and it connected to their Wifi, but not the internet. After a quick Google (from my Mac), I learned that one of the automatic Windows 10 updates had corrupted one of the Toshiba's drivers. I thought I would download the driver on my Mac and send it across via Bluetooth. But trying to find the make of the laptop, or even it's serial number was damn near impossible. Even searching for "serial number" in Cortana didn't help. Trying to find the make of the machine to download the appropriate driver was a half an hour headache which, in the end, I gave up with. A million miles away from the experience you get with a Mac.

Last thought is: If the Watch and the Apple TV became true game changing products (I'm talking a Watch on nearly every wrist and a TV in nearly every living room) then I think we'd have more confidence in Apple.
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Ironically, we have others stating Apple doesn't innovate enough, and my personal favourite, that the current iPhone and Apple Watch are failures/

Good luck my friend. The narrative people have in their heads here allows them to ignore facts like Apple Pay's 500% YoY growth, Apple Watch being #2 in watch revenue (second only to Rolex) and iPhone grabbing between 90%-100% of the smartphone industry profits every year.

The fact Apple makes more money from iPhone than any other brand, despite the other brands getting an OS + ecosystem for free while Apple pays to develop + maintain theirs is staggering.
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The more stories I read, the more I'm starting to think deep down in reality, those running Apple, without Steve simply don't know what to do.
There is a mix of, what would Steve have done still floating about I'm sure, but in reality they are just buffing, and polishing his creations or ideas.
They are simply lacking the visionary figure.
You simply cannot replace such a person.
Like Elon Musc and Tesla etc.
If he died tomorrow, sure others can follow on what he's started, but he has gone.

I just feel Apple really is adrift in the sea in an amazing ship, and honestly simply don't know which way to go.

They need a new Steve with a new vision.
The problem is, they would never let a new guy into the role.

Steve only came back to save them as he was the founder and they knew what they were getting.

Right now I can't see how they are going to move forward.
It's like someone very rich, that COULD do so much, but just has no dramatic imagination to boldly more forward.

It's a shame.

I disagree. They do have a vision for personal technology. Tim Cook even stood on stage and talked everyone through it starting with the iMac and ending with the Apple Watch. Google has never done this, nor has Microsoft or Samsung.

They know what a Mac is, and what they want it to be. No convertibles, 2-in-1s, touch screens, even though this would silence a lot of the haters and would sell a lot of products.

They haven't just thrown a retina display on a MacBook Air or released a faster MacBook Pro, but rather seem to have pushed products further forward. They seem to be working towards a use-case with laptops where you charge them at night and they last all day.

They want a wireless future. The best selling smartphone (iPhone) no longer has a headphone jack. One of the leading headphone brands (Beats) is pushing wireless headphones. This means competing headphone companies will push their wireless offerings and fill every niche price point.

They have said what they want the TV experience to be and are working to build it.

In which category which Apple competes in is another company leading the way and Apple trying to "keep up"? The reason smartphones now have mobile payments, fingerprint scanners and insanely great cameras is Apple chose to focus on these areas with iPhone.
 
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SMH. Are you at all embarrassed by putting your complete ignorance on display for all to see? You do realize that (a) Apple was the first one of the two to start giving away their OS for free; (b) Microsoft charges for Windows 10 now [and is, newsflash, making money], while Apple gives theirs away for free; and (c) Microsoft sells all of their PC's without any junkware or 3rd party trialware. Either your knowledge is a POS or you're functioning as a useless troll. Kinda interested to know which one...

Looks like the irrefutable facts about windows 10 have struck a nerve.
 
The last thing I wanted to hear was Jony justifying his design choices for a supercar.

We'll miss out on hearing Jony Ive brag about making cars and their wheels thinner.

McLaren's, Beats headphones, music subscriptions.....

I wonder if anyone there is focused on making some good Macs?

If the latest Macbook Pro's are any indication, the answer would probably be no. It feels like they are focused on everything else but the Macs. I imagine someone woke up Jony Ive in early October and told him they need to get working on a Macbook Pro update.
 
Wrong target. It's Ive that's doing the damage. When I see a laptop where everything is soldered to the motherboard, including AFAICT, the touch ID, I conclude function has gone bye-byes. A computer where any damage to what effectively is the 'On' switch needs a new motherboard including the SSD, is design gone mad.

I've been a Mac user since the early 90s and if Windows wasn't such a pos, I'd be looking seriously at jumping ship.
Don't know why you care if Apple service are willing to fix all repairs for free.. and they usually are even if out of warranty
 
Makes sense. Apple is too cheap to pay what another company is worth and has absolutely no direction on future innovation. Now they went from building a car, which was relatively stupid, to making systems that no vehicle manufacturer will want. Why would vehicle manufacturers want anything from Apple when they develop their own semi-autonomoues technologies in-house or get them from Mobileye? Even Tesla rolled its own solution into production vehicles in less than a year... Apple has been chewing on this for how long? Idiots.

After $20 billion in R&D, Apple will announce something stupid that nobody wants. And Tim Cook will talk about all the great products in the pipeline. Unfortunately, by the time anything they are "working on" is ready, iPhone and iPad sales will be tanking while other companies, like Google, innovate with actually desirable phones like the Pixel. Nobody will want a car that integrates seamlessly into the iOS ecosystem by 2020. Look at the sales trajectory of Apple's mobile products: DOWN.

Tim Cook's days are numbered, that is, if the Board of Directors is paying any attention to what's not happening in Cupertino: Innovation. Cook has not structured the company in a way that promotes innovation, clearly evident by the lack of any attention being paid to its UI and product lines. Phil Schiller keeps getting fatter as he pumps out useless products nobody wants.

This is a very sad time for Apple.

Well said.

Tim Cook is not fit to lead Apple.
 
Makes sense. Apple is too cheap to pay what another company is worth and has absolutely no direction on future innovation.
Apple didn't get to what it is today by recklessly blowing huge wads of cash on random companies either. What that company thinks it is worth is very different from what Apple believes they are worth to Apple.

Now they went from building a car, which was relatively stupid, to making systems that no vehicle manufacturer will want. Why would vehicle manufacturers want anything from Apple when they develop their own semi-autonomoues technologies in-house or get them from Mobileye? Even Tesla rolled its own solution into production vehicles in less than a year... Apple has been chewing on this for how long? Idiots.
Tesla is a company focused on a single product, has yet to turn a profit, and is purported to still be facing production issues with their electric cars. Elon Musk keeps himself in the news by making all sorts of outlandish claims about living in Mars. Their own self-driving tech is far from completion either. It's still too early to say who the final victor will be.

As to your second question, if you had looked at the state of in-car entertainment systems, you will notice that the quality of their software generally stinks compared to CarPlay or Android Auto. A car company may not have the software expertise to properly design self-driving software. Apple is a design-led company who actually knows a thing or two about crafting a good user experience in a product and if it's anyone who can get this aspect right, it's Apple.

After $20 billion in R&D, Apple will announce something stupid that nobody wants. And Tim Cook will talk about all the great products in the pipeline. Unfortunately, by the time anything they are "working on" is ready, iPhone and iPad sales will be tanking while other companies, like Google, innovate with actually desirable phones like the Pixel. Nobody will want a car that integrates seamlessly into the iOS ecosystem by 2020. Look at the sales trajectory of Apple's mobile products: DOWN.
You lost me at "desirable phones like the Pixel".

I think you are confusing your own preferences with the rest of Apple's user base. Don't presume to speak for me with regards to what you think I think is stupid or innovative.

Tim Cook's days are numbered, that is, if the Board of Directors is paying any attention to what's not happening in Cupertino: Innovation. Cook has not structured the company in a way that promotes innovation, clearly evident by the lack of any attention being paid to its UI and product lines. Phil Schiller keeps getting fatter as he pumps out useless products nobody wants.

This is a very sad time for Apple.

We will have to agree to disagree then. I see much potential in the new markets Apple is trying to break into, from health to self-driving tech, and I very much look forward to what they have to unveil.

Apple will continue to grow and prosper for a good many years to come. Just wait and watch.
 
Well said.

Tim Cook is not fit to lead Apple.

Yep. Tim Cook has been a disaster. If he would just stop gazing at his navel all day and tried a little harder maybe he could have been successful after Steve Jobs handpicked him to take over.

  1. Maybe he could have grown Apple into the most valuable company in the world.
  2. Maybe he could have helped investors by doubling Apple's stock price.
  3. Maybe Apple could have set the world's record for most revenue increasing it 400% from when he took over.
  4. Maybe Apple's cash in the bank could have nearly quintupled to almost a quarter of a trillion dollars.
  5. Maybe Apple could have taken over the smart watch industry in one quarter and sold more smart watches than every other company's combined entire history of sales
  6. Maybe Apple Music, starting from scratch, could have become the number two music streaming company in the world in just six months.
  7. Maybe under Apple, Beats could have grown to be the number one seller of wireless headphones in the entire world.
  8. Maybe Apple could have cornered nearly all of the profits for the entire cell phone industry while competing against the largest tech companies in the world.
  9. Maybe Apple services could have grown to be so large that just Apple's services revenue by far exceeds the total revenue Facebook produces.
  10. Maybe Apple Pay could have grown from scratch to own 75% of the mobile payments market in the US in just 18 months.

Yep. You have a keen analytical mind--if only Tim Cook was fit to lead Apple, maybe Apple could have accomplished the above since he took over. As it is, Apple is clearly doomed! :oops:
 
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Don't know why you care if Apple service are willing to fix all repairs for free..
Yes they will whilst it's under warranty or Apple Care.

....and they usually are even if out of warranty
Usually? You mean it's a lottery whether they do or don't.

Another point is how this might affect the re-sale value of a used MBP. At present the components most likely to fail, are usually repairable albeit at a price, something factored into the re-sale value. Once the current line gets to three years and enters the second user market, how much would you be prepared to pay for a machine that is only repairable by paying Apple's prices for a new motherboard?

My guess is that the resale value of MBPs will drop, something which makes me wonder if Apple will start doing part-ex and offer second user refurb machines through the Apple Store. Alternatively they could offer them via an approved third party to distance them from the main Brand. Could be a nice little earner.
 
Looks like the irrefutable facts about windows 10 have struck a nerve.
lol. Welcome to the forums. Just noticed you're new around here. Your response does answer my question, ignorance with a touch of arrogance. Makes more sense now. :)

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In part the contortions you need to go through to maintain any semblance of privacy. I use Win7 most days and to be fair it does what its supposed to do. Much of that is probably due to the Uni's army of support staff that keep the show on the road, something that I couldn't be bothered to try an replicate at home.
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Win7 was released over 7 years ago... let's be honest, what uni/business or even home user is still on a MacOS over 7 years old? Close to nobody, definitely <1%. I think people rarely contemplate that.

I've been a Mac user for the majority of my adult life, also worked for Apple Corporate. Still enjoy Macs. But, I acknowledge that it is unfair that most people (perhaps unknowingly) almost always compare the newest MacOS to Win7/Vista/etc -- of course the newest MacOS is better. But I am searching really hard for reasons the current version of Windows is a POS, and I'm failing to find any (any that are obvious, at least).
 
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If the latest Macbook Pro's are any indication, the answer would probably be no. It feels like they are focused on everything else but the Macs. I imagine someone woke up Jony Ive in early October and told him they need to get working on a Macbook Pro update.

Really? I think the new MacBooks pro as awesome as hell. All USB-C, new screen, touch bar, thinner, and lighter?
What did you prefer? More ports and unused Fn keys? 32gb of RAM and either a shorter life or a bigger, heavier laptop?
 
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