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Meirro Pro Display 6K (32" glossy, aluminum)
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Vincent Hanna
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Because the vast majority of stand-alone monitor purchases are for corporate drones where quality doesn’t matter, or gaming monitors where only a subset of specs matter.
The high quality non-corporate, non-gamer display market is very small.
The high quality non-corporate, non-gamer display market is very small.
I was recently in a fairly high tech company in a new office where they needed to buy several hundred monitors for their workers.
They went for 24 inch, 1080p, 250 nits, matte. Thats 92 ppi. Pretty much where we were 20 years ago.
They went for 24 inch, 1080p, 250 nits, matte. Thats 92 ppi. Pretty much where we were 20 years ago.
I don't think the market is small. Many people care, there was just never a good option, so people had to pick a less bad plastic box on their desk.
Yeah, on one end you have these corporate products, and on the other end, you have Apple charging $1000 for a stand.
Vincent Hanna
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FatLouie
macrumors 6502a
Depends on the corporation. I retired from a company that bought a good-quality Dell monitor, by the thousands. Yes...thousands. A company does not buy a 32-inch screen when the employee only needs a 24-inch or smaller screen. I don't even know who makes a crappy, low-cost corporate monitor, to be honest. The monitors I have seen being used in corporations are also often the monitors I see sitting in people's homes.
When it comes to monitors, there is Apple's world and its demand for color fidelity, and then there is the rest of the world, a larger world that has a wide range of choices.
Too narrow, though. I'd be interested if the dimensions were more like the U4021. Oh, like the U5226kw, which renders this off-brand moot.
Cross-posting this from the G32P thread. Some of you all are surely more proficient than I when it comes to color management, so I'm hoping to start some helpful discussions...
I have started two different but interlocking threads that I believe maybe could become informative "sticky" WikiPosts once they've matured. The first will be a thread on the Calibrite Display Plus HL and Apple's new, official support for it in the Pro Display Calibrator app (for all Apple displays that include a built-in reference mode/preset) that comes with macOS. This is a major step forward in terms of affordability (previous supported colorimeter hardware was/is around $5,500 to start, with prices escalating well beyond that).
The first thread is here: Apple support for Calibrite Display Plus HL in macOS -- how and why to use it
The second thread will be more general, on calibration and profiling of external monitors with macOS and ColorSync Utility, and the use of color management systems with macOS -- what are they for and how can they help. Some of this is inspired by the "6K Calibration & Testing Guide" page for the Meirro Pro, which unfortunately (currently, at least) points to Windows-only software, only one of which is "affordable." I believe this page is the product of ClickClack's experience in support of their sales of the Kuycon G32P, and it provides guidance on how to evaluate some of the things listed in the recent posts here I've quoted above.
The second thread is here: Calibration and color management on external displays with macOS -- what is it and why does it matter?
Both of these are currently works in progress. Editing/improvements will come in bursts, based on the discussion and when I have free procrastination time to edit the posts and incorporate the thread's wisdom. My schedule is erratic these days, but I should be able to function as an editor and incorporate your suggestions within a week or so. If not, feel free to pitch in, but maybe reach out to me if you're thinking of making wholesale changes.
This is a great initiative. I believe Meirro's testing page is probably a first in the industry, it's a baby step towards a much more comprehensive approach to support customers who care about color accuracy and panel performance which tends to change over time. Meirro's next iteration will explore how to 1. further open up the hardware level accessibility so users can truly customize the panel to the best they can without bricking the panel/board 2. make it easier for everyone to assess/calibrate color initially for Meirro, eventually for all monitors.
Monitor have been too gaming/spec focused, and Meirro will go the other way to build monitors for designers, creators and makers.
i know he says it doesn't matter when he looks directly at it, but this thing seems to have a big reflection problem. also it's 450 nits so can't "punch through the reflections" like the 600 nit 27 inch models can.
Vincent Hanna
macrumors 6502
Reflections everywhere in every single shot. I prefer glossy displays, but this would be completely unusable in my home office with high windows.
Still no product on the market that will let me upgrade from my otherwise crappy $450 Samsung 34" 1440p UltraWide.
Still no product on the market that will let me upgrade from my otherwise crappy $450 Samsung 34" 1440p UltraWide.
The Yogaes are more than likely rebranded TColor monitors discussed in the 6K32” thread and are unrelated to the Meirro.
Typically there is no reason to not enable HDR, so Meirro can reach 750 nits for daily use.
These days, I see it a little differently, because a) HDR consumes more energy = heat, which b) could affect the monitor's lifespan (e.g., with OLEDs).
My monitor also supports HDR, but I don't need it and have deliberately turned it off.
I'm particularly concerned about optical effects that aren't included in standard reviews—even very detailed technical reviews that measure gamut, luminance, contrast, response time, delta E, and so on.
Those are all important, but what I additionally want to know is this:
How much unwanted high-spatial-frequency structure does the finished display add, and how much desired high-spatial-frequency structure does it remove?
For example:
This is why I dislike matte displays. And it's also why I really like the Apple glossy displays—their optical stack minimizes surface grain and optical scatter while preserving text micro-contrast.
The practical result is that the Apple glossy displays essentially disappear for me — I don't notice them. This can be hard to assess when looking at a display for a minute or so, but becomes evident when you've spent a whole day using one. With the Apple displays, even after a full day of use, my eyes still feel relaxed.
My question about the Meirro is thus: How good is its optical stack compared to Apple's when it comes to the above? I know it's worse for reflections, but what I don't know is whether it introduces some micro-grain that the Apple displays don't.
Those are all important, but what I additionally want to know is this:
How much unwanted high-spatial-frequency structure does the finished display add, and how much desired high-spatial-frequency structure does it remove?
For example:
Phenomenon | What it introduces |
| Pixel gaps | Periodic high-frequency modulation |
| Matte sparkle | Random high-frequency luminance modulation |
| Surface grain | Random high-frequency texture |
| Optical scatter | Loss of high-frequency contrast |
| Poor AR coating | Additional scatter and reduced microcontrast |
| Low fill factor | Periodic modulation at the pixel pitch |
This is why I dislike matte displays. And it's also why I really like the Apple glossy displays—their optical stack minimizes surface grain and optical scatter while preserving text micro-contrast.
The practical result is that the Apple glossy displays essentially disappear for me — I don't notice them. This can be hard to assess when looking at a display for a minute or so, but becomes evident when you've spent a whole day using one. With the Apple displays, even after a full day of use, my eyes still feel relaxed.
My question about the Meirro is thus: How good is its optical stack compared to Apple's when it comes to the above? I know it's worse for reflections, but what I don't know is whether it introduces some micro-grain that the Apple displays don't.
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That's a good point. It's a tradeoff, but man, once you get used to HDR, that vivid color and fine depth, it's hard to go back. Same contrast with the 27 inches to 32 inches size change, once you are there, it becomes the only way.
I will add a c) which may be due to my lack of experience with it but… I thought HDR on non locally dimmed monitors (Mini/Micro LED or OLED) result is massive loss of contrast. I have never seen an edge lit IPS panel look quite right in HDR mode with the loss in contrast making the gain in brightness a non beneficial trade off.
TheGoblinTypist
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I ordered in early July, and my order got shipped a few days ago. They have written on their site that the orders will be fulfilled in batches based on order date.