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[Merge] iPhone 3G and Prev. Gen. Accessories (chargers, car adapters, etc.)
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I have a 3rd Gen iPod (the one with the touch-wheel and 4 buttons above it) and found the following in relation to the iPhone:
- iPod charger doesn't charge iPhone
- iPhone charger doesn't charge iPod
- Just using iPod dock gets me an airplane mode message and occasionally locks up the phone (I did this to stand up the phone at work)
I have heard others who seem to have success but I have had absolutely none between these two. I eventually bought a universal dock with remote that I use at work. I actually might get another for the 3G since the 3G dock is $30 and the Universal is $50 and comes with a remote and power supply.
(EDIT: I am referring to the original iPhone for all the test I did)
- iPod charger doesn't charge iPhone
- iPhone charger doesn't charge iPod
- Just using iPod dock gets me an airplane mode message and occasionally locks up the phone (I did this to stand up the phone at work)
I have heard others who seem to have success but I have had absolutely none between these two. I eventually bought a universal dock with remote that I use at work. I actually might get another for the 3G since the 3G dock is $30 and the Universal is $50 and comes with a remote and power supply.
(EDIT: I am referring to the original iPhone for all the test I did)
Charging the 3g iPhone - Any workarounds to the USB vs. Firewire issues?
As you likely know or are discovering, the iPhone 3G works with just about NO older firewire chargers, docks, or car connectors. While I was aware of this risk, it is disappointing and troubling.
I know I can just go out and buy new docks and car chargers, but does anyone know of a converter or other device that will convert my current firewire 12v standard input pin cable(s) to the USB layout required by the iPhone 3G?
Thanks so much.
As you likely know or are discovering, the iPhone 3G works with just about NO older firewire chargers, docks, or car connectors. While I was aware of this risk, it is disappointing and troubling.
I know I can just go out and buy new docks and car chargers, but does anyone know of a converter or other device that will convert my current firewire 12v standard input pin cable(s) to the USB layout required by the iPhone 3G?
Thanks so much.
Are you sure they don't have the hardware? The pins for it are obviously still there, that much I know, but what do they connect to? Are they just connected to the board so it can tell us "Not supported?" I'm pretty sure either way, this was a ****** decision by Apple because car power systems already run at 12v like FireWire, so there's no reason to convert it to the 5v usb standard when everything with a dock connector that has ever been made (EVER!) took 12 volts. Shame on you, shame!
Plus if it's a software thing I think I'm going to be pissed at Apple for a long time. No MMS, no copy paste, and now no 12v charging because you CHOSE to not have it?!?!?!? Really?
For those with a car charger not working this product was suggested over on the Apple discussion forums...
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TK596LL/A?fnode=home/shop_ipod/ipod_accessories/power&mco=MTU5MzY
I think I might try it out as it still allows me to use the DICE system. Have to see if it allows the radio controls to pass through as well though.
This should hold me off till a more permanent solution is found.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/TK596LL/A?fnode=home/shop_ipod/ipod_accessories/power&mco=MTU5MzY
I think I might try it out as it still allows me to use the DICE system. Have to see if it allows the radio controls to pass through as well though.
This should hold me off till a more permanent solution is found.
I am so pissed with Apple
I just got my iPhone 3G on Friday and aside from the buggy unstable o.s. I have 1 big gripe.
My car charger that I used with my iPod and 1st gen iPhone doesn't work with the iPhone 3G so I cant charge it in my car. I get an error that this accessory isnt compatible and cant be charged. I am also pissed that when I plug my iphone into my ipod/1st gen iphone compatible alarm clock radio (which has an ipod/iphone dock) which I used sometimes to charge my 1st gen iPhone I get the same error.
Seems like Apple are greedy bastards. After shelling out $300 for an iphone 3G, I still have to buy a new case and new charger. thats B.S!!! I think it really sucks that Apple screwed us and we oughta make a big deal. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple can change a setting in the o.s. so that you can use 1st gen accessories again. I'm willing to bet that its just software that checks the accessory from an approved list.
who is with me ?
I just got my iPhone 3G on Friday and aside from the buggy unstable o.s. I have 1 big gripe.
My car charger that I used with my iPod and 1st gen iPhone doesn't work with the iPhone 3G so I cant charge it in my car. I get an error that this accessory isnt compatible and cant be charged. I am also pissed that when I plug my iphone into my ipod/1st gen iphone compatible alarm clock radio (which has an ipod/iphone dock) which I used sometimes to charge my 1st gen iPhone I get the same error.
Seems like Apple are greedy bastards. After shelling out $300 for an iphone 3G, I still have to buy a new case and new charger. thats B.S!!! I think it really sucks that Apple screwed us and we oughta make a big deal. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple can change a setting in the o.s. so that you can use 1st gen accessories again. I'm willing to bet that its just software that checks the accessory from an approved list.
who is with me ?
You got my vote
Tow,
Not sure if your the only one with this prob. But, if this is true, that is REALLY F'D UP!!! There must be something wrong. I can't believe they would do that. its not like them to change something like that. Again, if it is true I am not getting a 3G EVER!
"Just confirmed with a friend that his 2G charger works with his 3G iPhone. Must be a crossed pin or something. "
Tow,
Not sure if your the only one with this prob. But, if this is true, that is REALLY F'D UP!!! There must be something wrong. I can't believe they would do that. its not like them to change something like that. Again, if it is true I am not getting a 3G EVER!
"Just confirmed with a friend that his 2G charger works with his 3G iPhone. Must be a crossed pin or something. "
This is the first time I've heard of this, but I have one question. Has anybody tried to plug an iPhone 3G into the iPod adapter of a car (BMW)? It would really suck and be stupid to cut off all the people who have iPod adapters in their cars. This is one reason I want and iPhone - I will be able to ensure my music is up to date because I would always take it into the house and connect it to my MBP.
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I have the iPod kit in my X5 and the 3G iPhone works fine, even charges.
tomegun said:
I have the iPod kit in my X5 and the 3G iPhone works fine, even charges.
yea I get a message when I plug it into my Sony Dream Machine (bedside alarm clock radio). I switch to Airplane Mode and ignore the error and it works fine.
Cheers,
Cheers,
My original iPhone car charger wasn't actually designed to work with the iPhone; I just lucked out that it worked (but would ask me if I wanted to turn on airplane mode). It didn't work with the 3G iPhone, so I bought one that was designed for iPhone.
My iHome works with the 3G, but again asks me if I want to turn on Airplane mode. I noticed that 3G doesn't cause the interference that the original iPhone did.
My iHome works with the 3G, but again asks me if I want to turn on Airplane mode. I noticed that 3G doesn't cause the interference that the original iPhone did.
this problem exists for a reason
the iPhone now only supports usb charging
so things based of other technology, such as fire wire, no longer work
patience. apple is making an adapter
if they try to charge you more than $10 for it, THEN you can complain
the iPhone now only supports usb charging
so things based of other technology, such as fire wire, no longer work
patience. apple is making an adapter
if they try to charge you more than $10 for it, THEN you can complain
I had that error too when I had my first gen iPhone. I have an aftermarket iPod interface for my Mazdaspeed6, and it used to give me that error all the time. I also would get it when plugging in my BT A2DP adapter for stereo bluetooth.
Iwould just hit 'ignore' and it would work.
Iwould just hit 'ignore' and it would work.
You aren't the only one having this problem.
The source is the fact that Apple ditched the 12V firewire power input pin. A lot of accessories that try to be compatible back to the 3G iPod only use the 12V power pin to charge.
The 3G iPhone doesn't support this pin anymore, just the USB 5V power pin. Newer accessories either provide power to both, or the USB pin.
It makes sense that someone could provide an adaptor (Apple or a third party), but this isn't something that can be 'fixed' via software. It would require a circuit board change at this point, which is very unlikely.
is it apple branded?
i bet it could just be that the device you have doesn't work with the 3G, not that the 3G does work with it.
i doubt apple wants you to go out and buy a new charger. that would be the accessory makers that want you to buy more add-ons. be pissed with them.
i bet it could just be that the device you have doesn't work with the 3G, not that the 3G does work with it.
i doubt apple wants you to go out and buy a new charger. that would be the accessory makers that want you to buy more add-ons. be pissed with them.
I hear ya, and its very annoying. Im sure the iphone could charge, but I think they blocked the ability in software ( after all, the iphone is seeing power on those pins ).
I think the old way of charging was done on the 'firewire pins', we now use usb and the power ground i believe are on different pins. An adapter could probably be made. Im not sure why they did this, other then to get people to buy all new accessories for nothing.
I had to buy a new car charger, not that big of a deal, but if I had bought at car that has charge/play capiblitites that worked fine with my first iphone and my new iphone didnt work, I'd be furious. Same goes for speakers as well, it seems alot of them will be no longer be of use to the 3g.
Im also sure the reason we are not hearing the GSM buzz on the spearkers is that you are in 3g, I used to get it all the time on the old iPhone in the car, now I only get it when my 3g coverage drops and I goto edge (to me this was worth the $10 extra a month alone )
There is Digg article that should be dugg if this affects you, I believe this issue is little known to most... it something that should be addressed since most of us have been investing in ipod/iphone accessories for a while now.... i'd hate to be the guy who bought the Bose speaker system for $300 last year only to know find it a paper weight since the software in the phone says its no longer compatible.
http://digg.com/apple/You_can_t_charge_the_iPhone_3G_on_iPod_Audio_Systems
I think the old way of charging was done on the 'firewire pins', we now use usb and the power ground i believe are on different pins. An adapter could probably be made. Im not sure why they did this, other then to get people to buy all new accessories for nothing.
I had to buy a new car charger, not that big of a deal, but if I had bought at car that has charge/play capiblitites that worked fine with my first iphone and my new iphone didnt work, I'd be furious. Same goes for speakers as well, it seems alot of them will be no longer be of use to the 3g.
Im also sure the reason we are not hearing the GSM buzz on the spearkers is that you are in 3g, I used to get it all the time on the old iPhone in the car, now I only get it when my 3g coverage drops and I goto edge (to me this was worth the $10 extra a month alone
)There is Digg article that should be dugg if this affects you, I believe this issue is little known to most... it something that should be addressed since most of us have been investing in ipod/iphone accessories for a while now.... i'd hate to be the guy who bought the Bose speaker system for $300 last year only to know find it a paper weight since the software in the phone says its no longer compatible.
http://digg.com/apple/You_can_t_charge_the_iPhone_3G_on_iPod_Audio_Systems
Yup, I'm getting this error with my headunit. It has a cable going straight into a hub for powering/listening to my Ipod. I was extremely mad when I found out that I had to buy a car charger for my phone. Even the usb port on my headunit won't charge the thing. Oh well... for those of you looking for a cheap solution, don't spend $20 at Best Buy for a cigarette lighter --> USB converter. Buy.com has them for $2.
The iPhone may be seeing power on those pins, but it doesn't mean those pins are wired up to anything. For the iPhone to charge off the 12V pin, it needs to run the voltage through a regulator down to 5V. The iPhone had space for this on the circuit board. I could believe that space in the 3G was at a premium with a larger 3G chipset and GPS. It has been awhile since I have seen what sort of space such a regulator would require though.
Again, I think it could be cost or space on the board.
All iPods that support USB cables can charge from the 5V pin, and use regulators on the 12V pin to produce a 5V power input (which is then shared with the 5V pin). So it isn't that they all used the 12V pin entirely, but rather for the past couple years, supported both 12V and 5V, and just dropped the 12V down to 5V.
The iPhone 3G is the first to ditch this dual-input, and only support the 5V pin. Not that I agree with their decision per se, but the damage has been done. I'm not 100% sure why it was ditched, but if it was a choice of something like GPS or the 12V pin support, I am not sure which one they should have taken (other than maybe make the device a bit bigger).
