you people are naive if you don't think technology can produce a single 64gb flash chip..
you people are naive if you don't think technology can produce a single 64gb flash chip..
They don't need two chips. Just one. Everyone keeps saying cost will prevent 64GB but some are clearly forgetting the the phone is subsidized and the real cost to carriers for the handsets are $5-600 and up.
Can Apple put Toshiba or Samsung sourced 64GB NAND in a $600 handset? I'm sure they can.
Some people in other threads are saying that the price is high because the manufactures have few chips, maybe Apple has bought them all?
I do think there will be a 64GB iPhone.
you people are naive if you don't think technology can produce a single 64gb flash chip..
The issue isn't the type of flash, it's about space. A PC has TONS of space to include multiple NAND chips. Even the iPad could handle tons more.Maybe adopting a different format flash chip that would get them on the 40GB-80GB-120GB etc type that is in a lot of computers.
Idk, it seems like this would be the type of thing that we would have been able to hear about. If one of the major memory fabs got the first huge contract to make 48GB or 64GB chips, that information would have gotten out.
BTW - Pretty agressive thread consolidation here by the mods. I can't believe my thread got rolled into another that was a year old. Nice.
Tony
The magic questions are
1) Is there a high enough yield to fulfill Apple's req's?
2) Did they reach that yield in time to get them to Foxconn for June launch?
2) Is the price in a range that Apple can comfortably fit in their price point goals?
Read my response above. The iPhone has no capacity for an external storage microSD card, which can be as large as 32GB PLUS what you get in the phone), so it HAS to have more internal storage to compete. There are other phone with 16GB internal PLUS 32GB microSD, so they have a potential of 48GB storage in the phone at once, whereas the iPhone tops out at 32GB. Heck, if you carry extra microSD cards on you (not difficult to do), the non-iPhones can be considered to have a LOT more than even that.
Tony
Well...unfortunately the sd cards in android phones CANT be used for apps! You can store music on them...that's about it.
I am even running froyo on my nexus and the sd card storage is only working for some apps...(ive found none to work myself).
So...you are really only getting 512mb or a gig max for app storage...and the rest is for music and movies or whatever..
This actually makes the iPhone MUCH better in this aspect...all of the 32g on the iPhone can be used for anything....and you don't even need to keep your music on the phone anyways since there are several streaming services that will allow you to stream all of your iTunes music. In fact, you can even stream your movies to your phone...so you get to save all that space for apps.
There are just so many reasons that android phones aren't quite up to the level of iPhone os. I speak from experience...i have had a 3G for a few months...then i got the 3GS on launch. Eventuslly i wanted to try out android so i bought the nexus one for tmobile...then sold it and bought the AT&T version of the nexus. I used it for a month or two, but there were so many things that pissed me off about it....typing text messages being my number one complaint. Every other feature in android takes many more steps than the iPhone equivalent....i couldn't handle it any more...i am now back to my jailbroken 3GS and i love it. The screen on the n1 wasn't even that great...colors were unrealistic, and the oled display made text look shoddy...the subpixel layout makes even high res oled screens seen "dotty".
Btw, i have a nexus one running froyo for sale if anyone is interested..
Not that I think it's going to happen but internet streaming is no substitute for actual storage capacity at this point. Here in Australia I cannot get a reliable 32kbps radio stream let alone 128 or higher. With all the bad things I hear about AT&T, the situation is probably even worse for the bulk of iphone users.
Subsidy has NOTHING to do with it. We're just looking at the base cost of building the device.
It's not just low supply, the pricing for the NAND chips is roughtly the same as it was last year. So we are not going to benefit from they typical "costs the same for double the capacity this year as last year" situation. If we want double the capacity, it will cost more.
The magic questions are
1) Is there a high enough yield to fulfill Apple's req's?
2) Did they reach that yield in time to get them to Foxconn for June launch?
3) Is the price in a range that Apple can comfortably fit in their price point goals?
So I did a google search and it turns out that back in December there was a bunch of news reported about Toshiba's new 64GB NAND chip that was going to reach mass production in Q1 2010... mass enough to supply for iPhone?
They also use Toshiba chips. And yes, Toshiba produces 64 GB NAND flash chips. Next to that, Apple will find something on it. They are not going to 'ruin' the tradition. It might be more expensive than the 16 and 32 GB chips, but Apple won't lose money if they are going to sell a 64 GB phone.We won't see a 64GB iPhone next year. Probably until 2011. Reason is 32GB NAND Flash chips just went into production and Apple is sucking the industry dry of these babies. Samsung, the chip maker, is going to keep cashing in for a while on 32GB and then when sales dwindle release the 64GB chips. Which is very likely to happen in 2011.
So a storage bump is not likely to happen anytime soon.
I had one an iPod 30GB w/video before I bought my original iPhone. That was before iTunes Plus doubled the size of all music. Therefore, my 32GB iPhone 3GS holds about half as much music as the 30GB iPod I had before. I'm sure that the doubled bitrate means better audio quality, but I really can't tell with my headphones, car speakers and 10-year-old computer speakers. But I digress.
Easy solution if the quality is not an issue...change your compression settings when importing music, and download a free converter and change the compression on your current files.
They also use Toshiba chips. And yes, Toshiba produces 64 GB NAND flash chips. Next to that, Apple will find something on it. They are not going to 'ruin' the tradition. It might be more expensive than the 16 and 32 GB chips, but Apple won't lose money if they are going to sell a 64 GB phone.
I wonder if we don't see a 64 GB model, might we see a small price cut? Say, $169 for 16GB, $269 for 32GB.
I really don't want to pay $300 for 32 gigs.
I wonder if we don't see a 64 GB model, might we see a small price cut? Say, $169 for 16GB, $269 for 32GB.
I really don't want to pay $300 for 32 gigs.
So I did a google search and it turns out that back in December there was a bunch of news reported about Toshiba's new 64GB NAND chip that was going to reach mass production in Q1 2010... mass enough to supply for iPhone?
Maybe, but I'm just betting that we won't get 64GB because it seems like something that we would have heard about through supplier channel leaks.
Edit: if they have limited supply, maybe $199/$299/$399 2 year contract prices for 16GB, 32GB, 64GB? $400 on a 2 year contract would be the most expensive phone I can think of in the past 5 years, might be able to control 64GB consumption to a manageable level.
Exactly ... if the chips are available, they'll offer it, because there will definitely be some sort of market. As we have seen with the iPad costs (huge margin, not taking R&D or admin into account), I'm sure they'll reap some sort of profit with a 64Gb version, considering that if they put it at $400, they're still subsidizing ...
I doubt Apple does a $400 subsidized phone - it's just way more expensive then anything else out there. And that would probably mean a $650 or so unsubsidized phone with a 2 year contract and probably a $1,000 unsubsidized phone with no contract - no way that would work in this economy, although I myself would certainly pay these prices for 64GB.
Tony