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Merged Future iPhone (post 3G / HSPA / FW2.0) Thread

The difficulty in upgrading seems to be for customers who want to upgrade that don't currently have IPhones..

For those with IPhones, you're able to upgrade freely at the subsidized price you just have to reup on a new contract.. so I'd imagine for a 3rd generation IPhone, current IPhone users would have a similar type deal, they'll be able to upgrade without question, just reup on a 2 year deal..

I also don't anticipate Apple going away from this new subsidized pricing plan and would expect it to be around for the next few future generation IPhones.
 
FSUSem1noles said:
I'd imagine for a 3rd generation IPhone, current IPhone users would have a similar type deal, they'll be able to upgrade without question, just reup on a 2 year deal..
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I would like to think you are right, but if iPhones are being treated as subsidised phones (like Nokias etc) then that is not going to be the case.
Remember right now O2 and ATT are offering us currect iPhone users a "free" upgrade only because we bought our own iPhones full price.

Next year or next upgrade I think there is going to be lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth as the phone companies refuse to give everyone another "free" upgrade.

Remember they have to get their pound of flesh… otherwise they might as well start giving these phones away. :p

Time will tell…
 
arkitect said:
I would like to think you are right, but if iPhones are being treated as subsidised phones (like Nokias etc) then that is not going to be the case.
Remember right now O2 and ATT are offering us currect iPhone users a "free" upgrade only because we bought our own iPhones full price.

Next year or next upgrade I think there is going to be lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth as the phone companies refuse to give everyone another "free" upgrade.

Remember they have to get their pound of flesh… otherwise they might as well start giving these phones away. :p

Time will tell…
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The full price we paid for 1st generation IPhone is good for at least another 2 future upgrades.. no?? lol, lol..:D
 
I agree with the OP. It's very unlikely you will be able to upgrade to a 3rd gen phone without penalty. This time around it's okay because you paid full price for your original phone.

Would you not just have to pay the Early termination fee ($175 minus n months pro rata time) to get a new one?
 
shadyInCA said:
I agree with the OP. It's very unlikely you will be able to upgrade to a 3rd gen phone without penalty. This time around it's okay because you paid full price for your original phone.

Would you not just have to pay the Early termination fee ($175 minus n months pro rata time) to get a new one?
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Yup. :)
I think this the area that Apple/ATT/O2 etc are scared about addressing right now. Next upgrade those cash registers are going to be ringing 24/7 as "full price" upgrades will be the only way forward.

I wonder how Stevo is going to spin that one… :p
 
Yeah, I'm 95% certain I'd have to pay a lot more to upgrade, which makes me wary of getting the new phone now -- since I'm hoping Version 3 has more of what I'm looking for.

I had help getting the first phone, using Apple gift cards to pay for most of it. But I know I won't have that help next time, and I'll probably be able to pay only $200 MAX for any new edition for the forseeable future.

As for my boyfriend, I'm going to try looking for Ver 1 iPhones selling for around $200 -- if that's even possible now!
 
arkitect said:
Yup. :)
I think this the area that Apple/ATT/O2 etc are scared about addressing right now. Next upgrade those cash registers are going to be ringing 24/7 as "full price" upgrades will be the only way forward.

I wonder how Stevo is going to spin that one… :p
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In theory Apple could release the 2009 iPhone @ $99/$199 with a 2 year contract and $199/$299 without a 2 year contract.

Why? Well we know that LTE isn't going to be ready till 2010/2011 so the radio tech won't change. Everything else in the phone should become cheaper, thus allowing this kind of deal.

For new features the only things I can think of are a front facing camera and better rear camera.
 
FSUSem1noles said:
The difficulty in upgrading seems to be for customers who want to upgrade that don't currently have IPhones..

For those with IPhones, you're able to upgrade freely at the subsidized price you just have to reup on a new contract.. so I'd imagine for a 3rd generation IPhone, current IPhone users would have a similar type deal, they'll be able to upgrade without question, just reup on a 2 year deal..

I also don't anticipate Apple going away from this new subsidized pricing plan and would expect it to be around for the next few future generation IPhones.
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Can I just ask why you use the moniker IPhone? It kills me, and yes I know its a stupid reason to get upset about, that you can just type iPhone, the real way Apple brands the phone. Ok on to your regularly scheduled program.
 
Next Update: all about the camera

"touch your music"'s theme should be carried on to pictures "touch you photos."

This makes perfect sense. Apple is all about music and pictures/movies, it only seems fitting that they have a device that'll help you connect that. They have this nice screen to view pictures on so i'm thinking that the next big update will focus on the camera. I mean, honestly, what other hardware changes could they really make?!?

Ideal for me...

3.2 or 5 mp camera
a decent lens to go with those mp
video
flash
flash that can stay on to act as flashlight (it could be useful?)
MMS (cmon really...)
good photo edit app (someones bound to do this)
front facing camera 1.3mp or something?

With bigger size pictures logically comes 16 and 32gb phones as well.
With those additions, i believe the hardware of the iphone would be nearly flawless.

thoughts?
 
w00143881 said:
3.2 or 5 mp camera
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With those additions, i believe the hardware of the iphone would be nearly flawless.
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That would make it twice as thick.

Personally, I like the iPhone because of it's thinness (and you know Apple; they're all about thinness). It's the only smartphone I can slip in my pocket without it bulging out. (Especially with the trend leaning to tighter jeans.)
 
I agree. The only way to really improve the camera much would be to put a much nicer but also much thicker lens in there. At that point then you're looking at the thickness of a nokia n95.
 
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You're hearing it from me first: I predict the next generation iPhone will be called the "iPhone A/V" focusing on as you said, audio and video. No flash, but I predict it will have a 3.2MP camera and a built in iSight camera on the front (with however many megapixels an iSight is) and a built in iChat app for video conferencing and IM and such.
 
I beg to differ. When could you use video chat? Whilst walking? Holding your phone out ahead of you? No way. Plus, everyone would hear your conversation.

And no chick would start a video conversion without prettying themselves up and fixing their hair. They'd say "screw it" and stick to audio.

And then there's the guys who chat with their girlfriend and try to sound interested when in fact they are not. With video, they'd be screwed.

At home? Go to your computer. The screen's larger, higher frame rate and it's free.

I'm hard pressed trying to find a popular scenario that needs video chat (where a phone call wouldn't suffice). Steve Jobs wouldn't include it to cater to that minority.

Sorry, I just had to get that out.
 
freediverdude said:
I agree. The only way to really improve the camera much would be to put a much nicer but also much thicker lens in there. At that point then you're looking at the thickness of a nokia n95.
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probably get stabbed for saying this.
but i think if you want a good camera, go and buy one.
it would be easier.

and agreed, the iPhone would be alot thicker if the camera was any better.
 
mattrobs said:
That would make it twice as thick.
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Sorry, but this is not remotely true. There's definately room inside the current iPhone for the same sort of lens assembly that's in a Sony Erricson C902 for example - and that has a 5 megapixel CMOS, nearly twice as big a lens, records better video than the iPhone is capable of in hardware, has better low light performance and has a flash.

And the C902 is thinner than the current iPhone (8mm vs 10mm), and nearly 4mm thinner than the iPhone 3G - and it has a slider mechanism to pull the camera out that uses two mm of that depth!

Seriously, there is absolutely no basis whatsoever for the assertion a camera needs more space. The CMOS used in the iPhone is archaic, and is much bigger than more modern chips.

Phazer
 
mattrobs said:
I beg to differ. When could you use video chat? Whilst walking? Holding your phone out ahead of you? No way. Plus, everyone would hear your conversation.

And no chick would start a video conversion without prettying themselves up and fixing their hair. They'd say "screw it" and stick to audio.

And then there's the guys who chat with their girlfriend and try to sound interested when in fact they are not. With video, they'd be screwed.

At home? Go to your computer. The screen's larger, higher frame rate and it's free.

I'm hard pressed trying to find a popular scenario that needs video chat (where a phone call wouldn't suffice). Steve Jobs wouldn't include it to cater to that minority.

Sorry, I just had to get that out.
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Okay, but it would still be nice to have a front facing camera for the sake of taking pictures that way.
 
adamerr said:
probably get stabbed for saying this.
but i think if you want a good camera, go and buy one.
it would be easier.

and agreed, the iPhone would be alot thicker if the camera was any better.
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I give dibs to both you and mattrobs. If you want a better camera, go buy a frickin' camera. I'm waiting for the first "iPhone w/SLR?" post. There are maybe 5 phones out there with a better camera (at least the megapixel rating). It's for having a portable camera, not shooting the SI Swimsuit Issue.

As far as video chat, everything matt said is pretty much what I think. Almost NOBODY will want to do video chat most of the time. Someone will play the "what about a soldier and his family at home?" card. I will then play the MacBook card. Video chat *could* be done, but there are a bazillion other things that would be more useful and therefore make Apple mo' money. People who clamor for MMS, I don't really care about it but way more people would use that than video chat capability. I want the camera to do video, but we don't need 17 different cameras on this thing.
 
w00143881 said:
"touch your music"'s theme should be carried on to pictures "touch you photos."

This makes perfect sense. Apple is all about music and pictures/movies, it only seems fitting that they have a device that'll help you connect that. They have this nice screen to view pictures on so i'm thinking that the next big update will focus on the camera. I mean, honestly, what other hardware changes could they really make?!?

Ideal for me...

3.2 or 5 mp camera
a decent lens to go with those mp
video
flash
flash that can stay on to act as flashlight (it could be useful?)
MMS (cmon really...)
good photo edit app (someones bound to do this)
front facing camera 1.3mp or something?

With bigger size pictures logically comes 16 and 32gb phones as well.
With those additions, i believe the hardware of the iphone would be nearly flawless.

thoughts?
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Samsung Omnia - same dimensions as the iPhone 3G, has 5 megapixel autofocus camera, does video, has a flash, and has a flash light app built-in which allows you to use your phone as a torch, MMS of course, video editing app, front facing camera and of course 16 GB of storage.

Thats not to recommend the Omnia, but to put an end to the people making excuses about how this would be physically impossible.

Omnia_25.JPG
 
Michael CM1 said:
I give dibs to both you and mattrobs. If you want a better camera, go buy a frickin' camera. I'm waiting for the first "iPhone w/SLR?" post. There are maybe 5 phones out there with a better camera (at least the megapixel rating). It's for having a portable camera, not shooting the SI Swimsuit Issue.

As far as video chat, everything matt said is pretty much what I think. Almost NOBODY will want to do video chat most of the time. Someone will play the "what about a soldier and his family at home?" card. I will then play the MacBook card. Video chat *could* be done, but there are a bazillion other things that would be more useful and therefore make Apple mo' money. People who clamor for MMS, I don't really care about it but way more people would use that than video chat capability. I want the camera to do video, but we don't need 17 different cameras on this thing.
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agreed.
i really dont need MMS..
although, i would like Bluetooth File Transfer and then id be set.
lol.
 
mattrobs said:
I beg to differ. When could you use video chat? Whilst walking? Holding your phone out ahead of you? No way. Plus, everyone would hear your conversation.

And no chick would start a video conversion without prettying themselves up and fixing their hair. They'd say "screw it" and stick to audio.

And then there's the guys who chat with their girlfriend and try to sound interested when in fact they are not. With video, they'd be screwed.

At home? Go to your computer. The screen's larger, higher frame rate and it's free.

I'm hard pressed trying to find a popular scenario that needs video chat (where a phone call wouldn't suffice). Steve Jobs wouldn't include it to cater to that minority.

Sorry, I just had to get that out.
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That is your take on it, but there are many who already use iChat regularly, who would see mobile iChat as a natural extension. I see it as a priority for next release. Indeed, iChat from "anywhere" is exactly the real value for those that travel, and negating the need for carrying their macbook. Not everyone uses their phone for just talking in the street!
 
not even got iphone 3G yet and people are looking at the future

just seen posts about the next iphone , and the iphone 3G isnt even released yet, cant we just enjoy this model cos i doubt there will be another one released next year maybe a possible memory upgrade next year in autumn.
 
bigcol1983 said:
just seen posts about the next iphone , and the iphone 3G isnt even released yet, cant we just enjoy this model cos i doubt there will be another one released next year maybe a possible memory upgrade next year in autumn.
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I agree with you but is there really a need for a whole thread about it?
 
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