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[Merged] HTC Evo 4G / Supersonic / Sprint Evo

Badandy said:
This. If you're buying a high-end smartphone and the accompanying contract length and terms it comes with (if you get it subsidized), you shouldn't be quibbling over an extra $10. Disagree with it? Sure. Go nuts and debate about it for hours? Probably not.
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Doesn't this sound like the ATT 10 dollar fee they charged everyone for going 3G?
 
Dammit Cubs said:
Doesn't this sound like the ATT 10 dollar fee they charged everyone for going 3G?
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It isn't and that issue is addressed in this thread. iPhone 3G users were charged $30 per month because their phones were subsidized like every other smart phone on AT&T at the time. Even people on edge with other phones payed $30. Apple had a profit sharing agreement for the original iPhone since it was unsubsidized.
 
Dammit Cubs said:
Lol...i guess i never noticed. Well not all lunches are 10 bucks, but I average around 6-7 bucks. LOL, i haven't even talked to you about dinner. LOL, i don't really cook that much.
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A few years back I went into some serious debt. It took me years to recover. It was mainly medical debt that started it, but getting laid off put me further into debt with other things. I eventually recovered and am now totally debt free. Everything I own now is paid for, my house, cars, computers etc. For those years of debt, I learned very important lessons about spending and conservation. My wife and me don't go out to eat very often. I can cook very well and make just about anything you can buy at some restaurant. I don't eat out for lunches because it's so much better to make my own lunch. In two days you have already spent more than I will in 5. I heat my house in the winter using a Wood Stove. I cut down trees and split the wood by hand with an axe. I save 1200-1500 a year in heating oil/electricity. I enjoy the work and the heat can't be beat.

I am not saying that anyone is wrong to go out to eat. I do it sometimes. I like spending money when I see a value and enjoy what I get. I have had so much fun with my iPhone 3GS even though it is more expensive than a dumb phone. My point is that spending money for anything that does not give you a service is stupid imo. If this fee was defined differently from Sprint, I would pay it if it provided said defined services. I won't pay a single $1.00 I am not supposed to pay.....if I can help it.

I like the EVO and would have paid 50 bucks more to switch to Sprint than to upgrade to the iPhone HD...I would have paid it. I think the EVO is great! Sprint however has found a way to ruin it.
 
corriewf said:
A few years back I went into some serious debt. It took me years to recover. It was mainly medical debt that started it, but getting laid off put me further into debt with other things. I eventually recovered and am now totally debt free. Everything I own now is paid for, my house, cars, computers etc. For those years of debt, I learned very important lessons about spending and conservation. My wife and me don't go out to eat very often. I can cook very well and make just about anything you can buy at some restaurant. I don't eat out for lunches because it's so much better to make my own lunch. In two days you have already spent more than I will in 5. I heat my house in the winter using a Wood Stove. I cut down trees and split the wood by hand with an axe. I save 1200-1500 a year in heating oil/electricity. I enjoy the work and the heat can't be beat.

I am not saying that anyone is wrong to go out to eat. I do it sometimes. I like spending money when I see a value and enjoy what I get. I have had so much fun with my iPhone 3GS even though it is more expensive than a dumb phone. My point is that spending money for anything that does not give you a service is stupid imo. If this fee was defined differently from Sprint, I would pay it if it provided said defined services. I won't pay a single $1.00 I am not supposed to pay.....if I can help it.

I like the EVO and would have paid 50 bucks more to switch to Sprint than to upgrade to the iPhone HD...I would have paid it. I think the EVO is great! Sprint however has found a way to ruin it.
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That makes so little sense it's in the ludicrous zone (apologies and credit to Mel Brooks)!

First of all, I applaud you for getting out of your previous financial situation but I laugh hysterically at your "il"logic for not paying the $10. If you don't want to spend the money I fully understand but to say that "if they called it a hot dog mustard and sauerkraut fee" I'd happily pay for it but since they call it a "4G fee" I won't is absurd. If it looks like poop and smells like poop it's still poop no matter how it is spelled.
 
hardly an evo thread since all everyone is talking about it the 10 fee. its more of a sprint thread

whats done is done. with 10 bucks you get uncapped 3g/4g. although it was supposed to be uncapped before but whatever.

then again this is an iphone forum. so its understandable they would bash on anything non-iphone. same thing happened in a pre forum.

cant wait to see how the iphone g4 stands up to the evo. sound be fun
 
ayman86 said:
then again this is an iphone forum. so its understandable they would bash on anything non-iphone.
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I concur. These people are hardcore apple fanboys and will bash on anything that's non iphone. Though it's tough for them to see and admit it.
 
tonie said:
I concur. These people are hardcore apple fanboys and will bash on anything that's non iphone. Though it's tough for them to see and admit it.
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Not really.

Again, an EVO thread on an Apple products forum, honestly what did you really expect?

Besides, don't praise something until it's out. It might look good on paper and in person but until you get a hands on real world experience - it's all up in the air :)
 
AbSoluTc said:
Not really.

Again, an EVO thread on an Apple products forum, honestly what did you really expect?

Besides, don't praise something until it's out. It might look good on paper and in person but until you get a hands on real world experience - it's all up in the air :)
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Definitely the case with most tech.
 
Evo:

Unlimited mins (450 landline mins but who uses those?)
N/W Mins start at 7pm
Unlimited Data/texts
$69.99 + $10 "premium data"
$79.99

iPhone:

450mins TOTAL
N/W Mins START at 9pm
Unlimited Data $30
Unlimited texts $20
$89.99

It may LOOK like a simple $10 price difference but lets be honest you're getting more bang for your buck with Sprint and with specs on the Evo. So in reality the iPhone unlimited plan is $69.99 + $20 + $30= 119.99. $119.99 vs $79.99 doesn't take a genius to figure out. Plus since this is an "unlimited mins plan" AT&T won't let you use your discount as where with Sprint you can.

I'm just tired of people comparing the $89 vs $79.99 plans. They are very different.
 
MisterEdF said:
That makes so little sense it's in the ludicrous zone (apologies and credit to Mel Brooks)!

First of all, I applaud you for getting out of your previous financial situation but I laugh hysterically at your "il"logic for not paying the $10. If you don't want to spend the money I fully understand but to say that "if they called it a hot dog mustard and sauerkraut fee" I'd happily pay for it but since they call it a "4G fee" I won't is absurd. If it looks like poop and smells like poop it's still poop no matter how it is spelled.
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Yes, if they had defined it differently. They say it is for premium data and that's silly in 3G markets. If they defined it as unlimited data for tethering, I would be fine.

I don't understand why you would charge 10 bucks for unlimited data and not give tethering in that. You know why they don't? Because the 10 bucks still does not give you unlimited data. Their TOS is specific that they still have the right to cancel your service if you use too much data.

https://manage.sprintpcs.com/outp...rivacy.htm

Data Usage Limitation (Mobile Broadband Cards, USB Modems, Imbedded Modems and Phone-As-Modem): The amount of data transmitted over our network is measured in kilobytes (KB), megabytes (MB) or gigabytes (GB). Sprint reserves the right to limit throughput speeds or amount of data transferred; and to deny, terminate, modify, disconnect or suspend service if usage either exceeds (a.) 5GB/month in total, unless specified otherwise or (b.) 300MB/month while off-network roaming. 1024 KB equal 1 MB. 1024 MB equal 1 GB

Specific Terms & Restrictions On Using Data Services
In addition to the rules for using all of our other Services, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, wireless routers, Data Link, etc.), you can’t use our data Services: (1) with server devices or host computer applications, or other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions; (2) as a substitute or backup for private lines or frame relay connections; or (3) for any other unintended use as we determine in our sole discretion. We reserve the right to limit, suspend or constrain any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our network performance or hinders access to our network. If your Services include web or data access, you also can’t use your Device as a modem for computers or other equipment, unless we identify the Service or Device you have selected as specifically intended for that purpose (for example, with “phone as modem” plans, Sprint Mobile Broadband card plans, wireless router plans, etc.).

Data Usage: Unless we specifically tell you otherwise, data usage is measured in bytes, kilobytes, megabytes, and gigabytes – not in minutes/time. 1024 bytes equals 1 kilobyte (“KB”), 1024 KB equals 1 megabyte, and 1024 megabytes equals 1 gigabyte. Bytes are rounded up to kilobytes, so you will be charged at least 1 KB for each data usage session (“data session”). Rounding occurs at the end of each data session, and sometimes during a data session. Depending on your data Services, usage may be charged against an allowance or on a fixed price per KB, and you may be subject to limitations on the amount of data usage. If you are charged on a fixed price per KB, any fractional cents will be rounded up to the next cent. You are charged for all data directed to your Device’s internet address, including data sessions you did not initiate and for incomplete transfers. As long as your Device is connected to our data network, you may incur data charges. Examples of data you will be charged for includes the size of a requested file or Data Content (game, ringer, etc.), web page graphics (logos, pictures, banners, advertisement, etc.), additional data used in accessing, transporting and routing the file on our network, data from partial or interrupted downloads, re-sent data, and data associated with unsuccessful attempts to reach websites or use applications. These data charges are in addition to any charges for the Data Content itself (game, ringer, etc.). Data used and charged to you will vary widely, even between identical actions or data sessions. Estimates of data usage – for example, the size of downloadable files – are not reliable predictors of actual usage. Your bill won’t separately list the number of KB attributed to a specific action/data session.
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corriewf said:
Their TOS is specific that they still have the right to cancel your service if you use too much data.
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Of course. Every carrier has the same basic terms. ATT is no different:

Prohibited and Permissible Uses: Except as may otherwise be specifically permitted or prohibited for select data plans, data sessions may be conducted only for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation).

While most common uses for Intranet browsing, email and intranet access are permitted by your data plan, there are certain uses that cause extreme network capacity issues and interference with the network and are therefore prohibited. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing; (ii) as a substitute or backup for private lines, landlines or full-time or dedicated data connections; (iii) "auto-responders," "cancel-bots," or similar automated or manual routines which generate excessive amounts of net traffic, or which disrupt net user groups or email use by others; (iv) "spam" or unsolicited commercial or bulk email (or activities that have the effect of facilitating unsolicited commercial email or unsolicited bulk email); (v) any activity that adversely affects the ability of other people or systems to use either AT&T's wireless services or other parties' Internet-based resources, including "denial of service" (DoS) attacks against another network host or individual user; (vi) accessing, or attempting to access without authority, the accounts of others, or to penetrate, or attempt to penetrate, security measures of AT&T's wireless network or another entity's network or systems; (vii) software or other devices that maintain continuous active Internet connections when a computer's connection would otherwise be idle or any "keep alive" functions, unless they adhere to AT&T's data retry requirements, which may be changed from time to time.

This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services, redirecting television signals for viewing on Personal Computers, web broadcasting, and/or for the operation of servers, telemetry devices and/or Supervisory Control and Data Acquisition devices is prohibited.

Furthermore, plans (unless specifically designated for tethering usage) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/smartphone to computer accessories, BLUETOOTH® or any other wireless technology) to Personal Computers (including without limitation, laptops), or other equipment for any purpose.

Accordingly, AT&T reserves the right to (i) deny, disconnect, modify and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes is using the Service in any manner prohibited or whose usage adversely impacts its wireless network or service levels or hinders access to its wireless network, including without limitation, after a significant period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage and (ii) otherwise protect its wireless network from harm, compromised capacity or degradation in performance, which may impact legitimate data flows.
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NikeTalk said:
Evo:

Unlimited mins (450 landline mins but who uses those?)
N/W Mins start at 7pm
Unlimited Data/texts
$69.99 + $10 "premium data"
$79.99

iPhone:

450mins TOTAL
N/W Mins START at 9pm
Unlimited Data $30
Unlimited texts $20
$89.99

It may LOOK like a simple $10 price difference but lets be honest you're getting more bang for your buck with Sprint and with specs on the Evo. So in reality the iPhone unlimited plan is $69.99 + $20 + $30= 119.99. $119.99 vs $79.99 doesn't take a genius to figure out. Plus since this is an "unlimited mins plan" AT&T won't let you use your discount as where with Sprint you can.

I'm just tired of people comparing the $89 vs $79.99 plans. They are very different.
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They are only very different if you like to talk a lot. I only use about 200 mins/month and I use around 1,000 texts a month so I only have the 1,500 text on ATT. I also get a discount through my work and my total after taxes is $81. If I switched to Sprint, my total would be higher then that after taxes. Yes, I'd have more minutes and more texts, but I don't need them. I'm not defending ATT, I'm just saying that everyone uses their phone for different things so even though you may get more for the Sprint plan, it doesn't really benefit everyone.
 
corriewf said:
Yes, if they had defined it differently. They say it is for premium data and that's silly in 3G markets. If they defined it as unlimited data for tethering, I would be fine.

I don't understand why you would charge 10 bucks for unlimited data and not give tethering in that. You know why they don't? Because the 10 bucks still does not give you unlimited data. Their TOS is specific that they still have the right to cancel your service if you use too much data.
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Not true actually. Sprint has said that the $10/month charge gives you unlimited 3g and 4g data when using the Evo. Combine that with the ability to use data intensive video chat on the 3g and 4g network and you begin to see why they're charging the extra $10/month.
 
austinjw said:
Not true actually. Sprint has said that the $10/month charge gives you unlimited 3g and 4g data when using the Evo. Combine that with the ability to use data intensive video chat on the 3g and 4g network and you begin to see why they're charging the extra $10/month.
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Well, the ten bucks doesn't give you true unlimited data until the terms in the above quoted TOS are changed. Kdarling is right, but this is a different situation.
 
Why do people still bickering about $10? It's simple, if you want to use the phone then pay. No one is forcing you to use their service. It's just like Apple is charging an arm and a leg if you want to use their products. $10 is an additional fee and that's fact.
 
tonie said:
Why do people still bickering about $10? It's simple, if you want to use the phone then pay. No one is forcing you to use their service. It's just like Apple is charging an arm and a leg if you want to use their products. $10 is an additional fee and that's fact.
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True, it's $1.33 a day instead of just $1.00. It's still a bargain.

(Putting on old timers hat) A decade ago we were using CDPD at 19Kbps for $55 a month... and $80 per MB for roaming.

Apple was smart to stay out of the smarpthone market until prices dropped so much.
 
How android/evo/etc beat the iphone

it seems that there is a lot of heat towards the iphone because SJ won't allow adobe, AT&T won't give into tethering blah blah blah

basically I'm wondering if you did all the same comparisons people are doing for the iphone vs evo and others, how about if the iphone was jailbroken

I mean i know people are against that and sure thats fine, but the speed is rarely affected and tethering, adobe(for the most part), widgets, customizable tones, and more suddenly become available

I'm not asking for your thoughts on jailbreaking, or even if you think its wrong that you have to jailbreak to get some basic features, but I'm just wondering what makes you still pick the evo or another phone over a jailbroken iphone?

What does the evo have that a jailbroken iphone doesnt have?
better camera? better OS? let's hear it
 
The problem with the jailbroken alternatives is that they are not streamlined. Some of them are not bad. I love sbs settings etc. The integration of a lot of the jailbroken programs are not very well done and they conflict with each other. Don't get me wrong, I am jailbroken and love it versus vanilla.
 
corriewf said:
The integration of a lot of the jailbroken programs are not very well done and they conflict with each other. Don't get me wrong, I am jailbroken and love it versus vanilla.
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I'd have to disagree that JB packages are not well done or that they conflict. Some wont be as good as others obviously. Gotta research a little before you go and install everything on cydia or Rock.
Im never going back to a stock iphone. The added functionality cannot be beaten.
And going to a whole different provider, different OS, no itunes integration, no appstore and many many other added features just cause one doesnt want to do a 2 minute software modification to their iphone is beyond me...
 
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vizkiz said:
You know how Android beat the iPhone?



They have 20 devices on the market compared to the Apple's two devices, and one past device.
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And number of carriers. I don't know a single person with android who actually prefered it to an iPhone - they went android either because of the price or more often because "AT&T isn't good enough where I live."
 
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