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That's great! But this is a comparison to the Incredible, not between the new iPhone and the 3GS. So it's still short on the camera, the battery life wasn't compared, and the OS is just as stable and polished (as well as repsonsive).



So what?

In the context of this prizefight, none of that was even compared between the phones.

You are the one who brought up the unannounced iPhone 4G. I was just correcting you.
 
You are the one who brought up the unannounced iPhone 4G. I was just correcting you.

Right... and in the context of this prizefight, the differences between the new iPhone and the 3GS are meaningless. In other words, based on the categories they judged and the features they walked through, the 3GS and the new iPhone are practically identical. There was no category for processors speed, screen resolution, or amount of RAM.

Did you even watch the video?
 
Well if your that happy the HTC Incredible then go purchase one. But keep in mind with android devices there is a new one practically released every other month.

So that kills any chance of reseale value VS the iphone's where Original 2G's still can fetch alot online.

Also your at the mercy of the carrier for updates so even when google releases Android 2.2. You will have to wait and see If verizon approves the Update unless you want to put some Homebrew POS on it that could potentionally wipe your phone.
 
I'll preface by saying I have an Incredible. But this kinda testing is BS IMO. Apples to Oranges. I love my phone right now, but I'm not delusional in any way in thinking that it will be so amazing in comparison to a new iPhone HD that's coming out. It'll be spanked by it, I'd be surprised if it wasn't. Also, resale value for HTC/Android phones is not as bad as some make it out to be. Sure it's not fetching $400 for it but ranges between $200-$350 aren't uncommon. Cheaper than paying an ETF at some carriers to get a new line and cancel it.
 
I don't get it. The Incredible could be made of gold and sell for a dollar but it's still not going to run the applications I use day in and day out so why even bother comparing them? As usual, the OP and pretty much everyone else misses the point of owning a smartphone.
 
Lol, you get what he is saying. The 3GS is nearly a year old. The HTC Incredible JUST came out. Take that into account when watching the video. If they compared it to the 4G, that would be a better comparison.

How do you know and what factual evidence do you have to back up that claim? By past practice, Apple's crippling of the iPhone and anti-open source policy would lead anyone to believe that it will fall short in many areas.


Read my post again. I don't need any "factual evidence". I didn't say the 4G was better. I said it would have been a better comparison if they used the 4G. Old tech vs new tech. Gee, I wonder how that is going to pan out. :rolleyes: New tech vs new tech.

Get the point? You are too quick to start something out of nothing :)
 
Look, CNET needs to write articles. Otherwise they'd be useless. Yes they have to compare everything to the iPhone because it draws readers.

Read the article with a grain of salt. Wait until July for CNET's article on the new iPhone.
 
Cnet hates Apple, always has. Read any article and it usually has an anti-Apple slant.

AppleMatt
 
Unless Apple comes out with a dual core processor in the next Iphone, it will be on par with the Incredible and NOT beating it in specs. The 4.0 OS we already know about and it doesn't add all that much especially compared to Android. Is it possible that Steve comes out with something really cool specific to the next Iphone HD that surprises us? Yeah, but I stil doubt it will beat the Incredible and even more so the EVO. Apple OS upgrades are dull.
 
Unless Apple comes out with a dual core processor in the next Iphone, it will be on par with the Incredible and NOT beating it in specs. The 4.0 OS we already know about and it doesn't add all that much especially compared to Android. Is it possible that Steve comes out with something really cool specific to the next Iphone HD that surprises us? Yeah, but I stil doubt it will beat the Incredible and even more so the EVO. Apple OS upgrades are dull.

Who cares about a dual core processor? Why would that be necessary for an iPhone? As long as the processor can keep 3gs type speeds with a 4.0 OS then who cares how many cores it has? I could see an Android phone needing a bigger processor because it has so much stuff running in the background and the OS is full of clutter, but the iPhone doesn't need a processor that is overkill.

If the iPhone is so dull then why are you still here? I don't understand half the people in all these Android threads. Just make yourself happy and switch to Android if thats what you want. Stop digging for support from an iPhone forum because your not going to get it.
 
Unless Apple comes out with a dual core processor in the next Iphone, it will be on par with the Incredible and NOT beating it in specs. The 4.0 OS we already know about and it doesn't add all that much especially compared to Android. Is it possible that Steve comes out with something really cool specific to the next Iphone HD that surprises us? Yeah, but I stil doubt it will beat the Incredible and even more so the EVO. Apple OS upgrades are dull.

Yes, but they're usually stable, polished, easy to use, and incorporate features much better than the competition. I have a Nexus One right now and the copy/paste implementation is terrible. The stock text messaging app is horrible, the browser jumps around even after the page has loaded, and a hundred other things that bug the hell out of me. The OS in some parts is brilliant, in other parts it's completely unfinished. The iPhone, much like a mac computer, just works. It's not for everyone, but there's really not much I can do on my N1 that someone can't do on an iPhone.
 
Yes, but they're usually stable, polished, easy to use, and incorporate features much better than the competition. I have a Nexus One right now and the copy/paste implementation is terrible. The stock text messaging app is horrible, the browser jumps around even after the page has loaded, and a hundred other things that bug the hell out of me. The OS in some parts is brilliant, in other parts it's completely unfinished. The iPhone, much like a mac computer, just works. It's not for everyone, but there's really not much I can do on my N1 that someone can't do on an iPhone.

When the iphone was first released it had numerous issues as well lets not forget to mention that.
 
When the iphone was first released it had numerous issues as well lets not forget to mention that.

Yeah, but that was three years ago. Want to compare now to now? I have a Nexus One, the second "best" android phone behind the Incredible. You know what? I hate it. I want my year old iPhone 3GS back. I'm not saying everyone should hate the N1, and that for some people it's not a better phone for their needs, but the issue is not as cut and dry as you assert.

There are some people here capable of open-mindedness. Seeing as though I sold my iPhone to try out the N1, I'm one of those people who have had experiences with both platforms. You, however, despite your accusations of other peoples' close-mindedness, are no less biased than many of the Apple fanboys. Your "sore losers' and every other comment you make proves that. The Incredible has better specs than the year-old iPhone 3GS. We know, but that doesn't change the fact that I, and many others on this board, would gladly take the 3GS over the Incredible. Get it?
 
The entire "prize fight" is pointless, unless your a geek on message board. (Ooops! that comment resembles me.... :rolleyes: )

Anyway, there is one real way to measure success. Sales. Game over. You can compare the next 4 android devices to the 3gs, and I bet you the 3gs still wins by that metric.

The rest is bluster.

Sales? So Windows is DEFINITELY better than Mac!

With all due respect, the specs for the 4G phone and iPhone OS 4.0 are pretty well known at this point, and they are not that much different than the 3GS.

In all their categories and the specifics they talked about, there is almost no difference between the new iPhone and the 3GS. The only place the new iPhone's score would improve is in features where multi-tasking and folders would probably bump it up to a score of 4.3 from a 4.0 - still a loss.

Same thing I was going to say. :)

I don't get it. The Incredible could be made of gold and sell for a dollar but it's still not going to run the applications I use day in and day out so why even bother comparing them? As usual, the OP and pretty much everyone else misses the point of owning a smartphone.

So the iPhone is the Windows of Phones and Android is the OSX? That's the exact same arguement a lot of people make against switching to Android. You can do most things that you do in Windows on OSX and most things done on the iPhone on Android... You just need to find the right replacement application.

All that said... Whatever you like is what you should get. So the Incredible is spec'd better than the iPhone... That doesn't help you if you're looking to buy an iPhone.

If you're just looking to buy the most powerful phone on the market, get the Incredible... If you want the most powerful phone in 3 months, wait for the EVO. :)
 
Yes, but they're usually stable, polished, easy to use, and incorporate features much better than the competition. I have a Nexus One right now and the copy/paste implementation is terrible. The stock text messaging app is horrible, the browser jumps around even after the page has loaded, and a hundred other things that bug the hell out of me. The OS in some parts is brilliant, in other parts it's completely unfinished. The iPhone, much like a mac computer, just works. It's not for everyone, but there's really not much I can do on my N1 that someone can't do on an iPhone.

Yeah no offense or anything, but the N1 was/is a piece of crap. I read through the HUGE thread here about all the issues. I wouldn't touch an N1 with your **** attached to a ten foot pole. :p I also think stock Android is blah at best. HTC Sense's version of Android makes it just as smooth if not better than the iPhone OS.

@Steve: I am waiting to be surprised by SJ. Maybe he will introduce the first integrated laser beam smartphone combo. I need me some mobile laser beaming. :D If I don't see anything amazing in the next iPhone iteration, im jumping ship to the EVO.
 
Who cares about a dual core processor? Why would that be necessary for an iPhone?

Stat geeks, that's who. It's the same individuals and they never change.

Who cares about performance... my 1.2 Ghz beats your 1.1 Ghz, no matter what it is doing!
 
Specs, specs, specs. If you want to fight over specs please go to a Windows, Android, or Palm forum. Specs don't really mean a lot around here...to me at least. It's all about the experience. iPhone OS will be the dominant player until Android becomes a polished OS. At that point, we can talk. Until then, it's moot. Most of you probably are not tied into a MacBook Pro or iMac so you can't begin to understand the seamless integration of the iPhone experience to a Mac. For Mac owners, the iPhone completes the experience.

I've never really held the prizefights on Cnet as the be-all end-all. The contests are flawed and the rating editors all have a specific platform bias so it's almost impossible to get a good measure on the phones. The best way is to test them out for yourself and stop posting Android drivel on a Mac/iPhone forum.
 
Specs, specs, specs. If you want to fight over specs please go to a Windows, Android, or Palm forum. Specs don't really mean a lot around here...to me at least. It's all about the experience. iPhone OS will be the dominant player until Android becomes a polished OS. At that point, we can talk. Until then, it's moot. Most of you probably are not tied into a MacBook Pro or iMac so you can't begin to understand the seamless integration of the iPhone experience to a Mac. For Mac owners, the iPhone completes the experience.

I've never really held the prizefights on Cnet as the be-all end-all. The contests are flawed and the rating editors all have a specific platform bias so it's almost impossible to get a good measure on the phones. The best way is to test them out for yourself and stop posting Android drivel on a Mac/iPhone forum.

... I'm an iPhone owner in a house of more than half Macs... It's nice but I honestly don't plug it into my computer that much. Rarely actually.

Also, if Specs really don't matter in Apple forums can you please explain why 90% of Mac Rumors are related to specs of new devices? "the next iPhone has a HD screen!", "macbook refresh has i7 processors!", "the S is for speed!"... Do most Mac users not care about the 3Gs because it's just a spec boost? Because lots (not me) traded up.

So plenty of Mac users DO care about specs and it's not constructive to suggest a user go to another forum to discuss this. If we all agreed on everything at MR the forums would be full of "+1", "Yea!", "Same!" posts instead of actual, useful discussion.

And as for Android needing to be a polished OS... Not sure what you mean. It seems just as polished to me. Especially the HTC Sense interface that the Incredible and EVO have.
 
I didn't know that, sorry. Let me correct my statement: So a phone that has been released within a couple weeks beat a phone that is almost a year old? No way!!! Phone comparisons can't really be made unless they are released within a couple months of each other. Technology is changing all the time, so if a phone CAN'T beat a phone with 1 year old technology into it, then I think there is something wrong.



What is the point of everyone posting threads like that here? Do you not get enough attention? Why don't you buy an Android device and post on that forum. You will get a lot more positive remarks from there.

By that logic, there's also no point in comparing it to the next iPhone, because clearly the next iPhone should be much better than any phone that came before it... Crazy nonsense!
 
Also, if Specs really don't matter in Apple forums can you please explain why 90% of Mac Rumors are related to specs of new devices? "the next iPhone has a HD screen!",

Because that directly relates to the user experience. I don't care if the phone has a 1 ghz processor if it's less efficient at completing tasks than another phone with a 600 mhz one on a different OS. A high-def screen, on the other hand, is a huge improvement.

So plenty of Mac users DO care about specs and it's not constructive to suggest a user go to another forum to discuss this. If we all agreed on everything at MR the forums would be full of "+1", "Yea!", "Same!" posts instead of actual, useful discussion.

If you want useful discussion, go into the thread about Nexus One Switchers. All the other threads started by Android fanboys are just as biased as the Apple fanboys on Windows sites.

And as for Android needing to be a polished OS... Not sure what you mean. It seems just as polished to me.

I already explained why it isn't polished to me, as someone who owns an Android device running 2.1 update 1. I posted some experiences here and the rest are in the Nexus One Switchers thread. I have not loaded Sense UI onto the phone, so I don't claim to speak about that.

mrochester said:
By that logic, there's also no point in comparing it to the next iPhone, because clearly the next iPhone should be much better than any phone that came before it... Crazy nonsense!

No, you clearly have not grasped the concept of "that logic". By the time the next iPhone comes out, the Incredible will be a month and a half older. As of now, the iPhone is 10 months older than the Incredible.
 
... I'm an iPhone owner in a house of more than half Macs... It's nice but I honestly don't plug it into my computer that much. Rarely actually.

Also, if Specs really don't matter in Apple forums can you please explain why 90% of Mac Rumors are related to specs of new devices? "the next iPhone has a HD screen!", "macbook refresh has i7 processors!", "the S is for speed!"... Do most Mac users not care about the 3Gs because it's just a spec boost? Because lots (not me) traded up.

So plenty of Mac users DO care about specs and it's not constructive to suggest a user go to another forum to discuss this. If we all agreed on everything at MR the forums would be full of "+1", "Yea!", "Same!" posts instead of actual, useful discussion.

And as for Android needing to be a polished OS... Not sure what you mean. It seems just as polished to me. Especially the HTC Sense interface that the Incredible and EVO have.

So a third party overlaying interface doing what the OS failed to do constitutes it being "polished?"

I find that a little contradictory.

You're always arguing specs... You don't realize the sum is greater than it's parts. You're a stat herder, but to act like that's the only way to think is simply wrong. Things aren't so black and white.
 
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