Well believe me or not, I own a iPhone3GS, BB Bold 9700, BB Tour, MOTO Droid, and just returned the Incredible. The Incredible is a very nice phone, just not for me. I hope those that buy it enjoy it but for me the iPhone is just better overall and it syncs with my iPad and Macs so for my business I am staying with the iPhone, iPad, Macs and Blackberrys. The next iPhone will be mine on launch day. The Incredible is very difficult to see in bright sunlight, short battery life, and poor reception compared to my Blackberrys. IMHO
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Hold on. I have a 3GS and it doesn't feel like a toy at all.
Question:
Why do 90% of Android raves seemingly carry no supporting info? Basically we get "my iPhone is xxxxx and the Android is soooo super kewl"
Not very helpful. Every product I buy I can rattle off the pro and con of what I bought and what was second runner up.
Question:
Why do 90% of Android raves seemingly carry no supporting info? Basically we get "my iPhone is xxxxx and the Android is soooo super kewl"
Not very helpful. Every product I buy I can rattle off the pro and con of what I bought and what was second runner up.
If that were to happen, you could pretty much say iPhone OS would be better on better hardware, so would every other OS out there...
Seeing as how iPhone OS still manages to be fast and fluid (to an extent) on the 2G, on hardware that is over 3 years old compared to the pre with relatively new hardware, there really is no argument now is there.
WebOS isn't really that good, it doesn't have anything that makes it special or stand out, nor does it being generic do any good either, both of which the iPhone does well: being average and always having the best of whatever it offers, whenever it offers it.
Yes I have used it, not just in a sprint store.
You want a good OS that looks good as well, get a sense ui phone, or the iPhone.
How long did you use the phone? Sounds like you didn't even use the phone for an hour. If iPhone OS and WebOS are on better hardware, I would definitely think WebOS is better buy. I think it has better flow, multitasking, over all experience.
I definitely give props to the iPhone. I always wanted the iPhone until I saw WebOS, Incredible, and Evo. The iPhone is very dull in comparison.
Yes tonie...getting work done is tough. There's a common misconception that Mac users only care about aesthetics when in fact Mac users can about both aesthetics and productivity. Android and WebOS lag greatly on actual native productivity features. Their answer to your contact & calendar and social networking strategy is to use Google, Facebook etc. This absolves them from dealing with local sync issues.
Apple and the iPhone OS are about leveraging the same but you also have constant movement forward for developers to access music, contacts, calendar data and more locally. The reliance isn't on the web it's on your persistent stores.
Sure it's not as sexy as tossing up a Sense "candy" UI or cute little cards you flick across the screen but the iPhone and RIM have excelled because they aren't web based toys. You can actually get work done. How many business people walk around with Pre? Not many.
You usually have good points, but your fanboy-ism in this thread is going a little overboard. I used my friend's Pre for an entire day and that OS is a dream to use. Sure, it's not productive if it doesn't have an app you need, but regarding the interaction between contacts, the internet, notes, music, and other normal, built-in stuff, it is far more efficient to navigate between apps and get things done. You can't just dismiss an intuitive and efficient way of managing open apps by saying "cute little cards." The notifications on both WebOS and Android are also far better. I'd argue that's a huge boost for productivity. The notifications don't completely interrupt your workflow and they're still there when you want to address all of them after you're done doing what you're doing.
I'm not sure if it's fanboyism coming from me rather growing dissent for too much Cloud stuff.
I've recently had breaches of my Google and Facebook account and in both cases lost data. So in that end I'm a bit leery about relying too much on Cloud only stuff. Part of the failing for WebOS has to do with their atrocious marketing. People dancing in fields??? Apple's "there's an app for that" was/is far more powerful because it addressed how people actually used the phone to their betterment. Palm obfuscated their message behind some dreamy and artsy facade and failed to address how peoples lives could improve with a Palm Pre running WebOS.
iPhone's notifications certainly suck. Color me stunned if they're not fixed by launch or at the very latest the iPad launch OS 4 launch.
In summary. My data has to be stored locally as my first preference with a Cloud component as an adjunct. The local datastore is the db of record so that if my cloud stuff went tits up I'd just push out the data again on sync.
I don't hate Palm or Android, both have their place and enthusiastic users.
I agree with all your points, but I don't think the marketing has a lot to do with how much work you can get done on each OS. I don't like an all-cloud solution either, but a little bit more integration would be good. For example, I like having the option to upload a photo to facebook right from my Gallery app (equivalent of Pictures on iPhone). Is this possible on the iPhone? I forget. I also like the fact that when I look at a contact there's a pane for their facebook information that gets merged with their contact info on google contacts. I can see people's status on facebook before I contact them. Cool stuff. This doesn't require everything to be in the cloud. Apple can store it's stuff locally (although I use MobileMe, so I guess it's the same, huh?) and then pull more data from other places if you so choose.
I'd love nothing more than for you to be right, but is it really likely they'd redo such a massive part of the UI completely internally and not need to put it out in betas at all? I mean, developers must have already started working on local notifications and all that stuff...
I hate my Nexus One. Can't wait to get rid of this POS. I'm really excited for the new iPhone so I can go back to a polished OS.
I use Mobileme too and it saved my ass. To be fair mail.app saved my bacon (and a lot of files) because it was accessing my gmail over IMAP. I was able to recover a lot of files that way.
I'm actually glad HP bought Palm. I want to see WebOS grow and HP is a company in dire need of rolling out some consumer computer hardware with their own OS and hardware. I'm curious as to whether there's Intel Atom support for WebOS already or if HP will be taking it that direction as well.
I'm actually glad HP bought Palm. I want to see WebOS grow and HP is a company in dire need of rolling out some consumer computer hardware with their own OS and hardware. I'm curious as to whether there's Intel Atom support for WebOS already or if HP will be taking it that direction as well.
Droid Incredible
To all the mac/iphone haters who scream "Well the Droid will play flash... I'll wait for the Droid..."
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/droid-incredible-review/
"It should also be noted that the browser on these phones is equipped with Flash lite, though we had lots of trouble getting videos to play on many of the sites we visited (Engadget included). If someone was hoping to convince us that Flash could work on a device like this, consider the job unfinished."
There are several reviews out there, Engadget was nicer to the Incredible than some of the others. Some of the other reviews state that it had problems on youtube. (ahh the youtube app on the Ipad is flawless)
But hey, maybe when the Courier or the Slate comes out they will have better flash support, right ??
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Thanks Steve for the 'Good User Experience'. Keep them coming.
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Laughing so hard my belly hurts, or is it just bad gas ?
To all the mac/iphone haters who scream "Well the Droid will play flash... I'll wait for the Droid..."
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/droid-incredible-review/
"It should also be noted that the browser on these phones is equipped with Flash lite, though we had lots of trouble getting videos to play on many of the sites we visited (Engadget included). If someone was hoping to convince us that Flash could work on a device like this, consider the job unfinished."
There are several reviews out there, Engadget was nicer to the Incredible than some of the others. Some of the other reviews state that it had problems on youtube. (ahh the youtube app on the Ipad is flawless)
But hey, maybe when the Courier or the Slate comes out they will have better flash support, right ??
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAH
Thanks Steve for the 'Good User Experience'. Keep them coming.
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Laughing so hard my belly hurts, or is it just bad gas ?
Laughing so hard that you didn't do much research, apparently.
The Flash Lite currently on the Incredible is NOT the Flash that everyone is talking about when they mention Flash on Android.
The Flash Lite currently on the Incredible is NOT the Flash that everyone is talking about when they mention Flash on Android.
Yea.. I am sure it will work great (chuckle). Again, several months down the road. Its the same old story over and over. One ac on the forums even used the term 'by the fourth or fifth generation of the Slate...' in reference to iAnything killers. (chuckle even harder). We all know where the Slate and Courier went. Hopefully flash joins them.
Apple has it, everyone else is chasing it.
Apple has it, everyone else is chasing it.
Once and for all, please share with us which phone you actually own. This entire thread has absolutely nothing to do with WebOS but here you are talking about it again. Do you own a Pre? Have you ever owned an iPhone? How about the Incredible? I've owned all three iPhones and my wife owns a Droid and a G1 before that. I can tell you that Android is nowhere near polished as the iPhone. Sure it may get there someday but the iPhone is still at least a year or two ahead in development. Can't say much about WebOS other than I can't get past the horrid hardware.
A lot is obviously riding for Adobe on how well Flash 10.1 performs on the Android. Small wonder they're not releasing it yet until it's fully optimized. And I might have an iPhone but I'd love to see Apple eat crow here.
I had Pre, Pixi, and Hero. Never had the Incredible but I have played with it. My friends have the iphone and I played with it all the time. While the iphone was great but i think the new htc phones are better. I always wanted the iphone but after I saw the Incredible, Nexux (not so much), and Evo (this is the phone) I immediately acknowledged that Android had surpassed the iphone in hardware and OS.
It's pointless to even discuss it any more. Many people here are bias, not open minded, and refuse to acknowledge android.
I'm done.
Hmm. It sounds like you're confused and think "WebOS" means its storage and apps are in the cloud or something. Common misconception, if so.
"WebOS" refers to writing _local_ apps in HTML/CSS/Javascript, not to iPhone-style web apps. WebOS apps use local storage and apps have access to everything.
I know a fair number of business people with the Pre, on both Sprint and Verizon. It's a very productive device partly because it's so easy to multitask with.
Those "cute cards" are widely recognized as one of the more clever and easy multitasking UI manifestations anyone has ever invented.
By "it", I hope you dont mean
- flash
- bluray
- multi-tasking
- mms
- copy & paste
Your nexus one has blue ray and working flash?
Your mbp doesn't do multitasking, flash, or copy and paste ?
Even iPhones and iPod touches copy and paste.
My whole point was that the haters bash because of this or that (especially flash) and sing praises of devices not yet out on the market, or how a device will perform 5-10 years from now and it will kill todays present iWhatever. Then when IF (MS and HP) it comes out and chokes on its main feature (read flash) then its back to 'Well in a few months or the next generation it will'.
Dude, who really gives an iCrap about living wall papers ? All the reviewers said it choked on flash and battery life sucked.
iPads and Touches are great products with a lot of usefulness. They don't need flash screwing them up.
Unfortunately, the EVO really isn't comparable right now because it isn't even out yet. People are gizzing in their pants over the specs. We all know the history of specs versus Apple products on the PC side and it never really goes anywhere.
I don't understand why you are so frustrated trying to convince people on a MAC forum that Android and WebOS are better. You would have better luck on an Android or Palm forum.
LOL. Live wallpaper doesn't require flash. Show me a link where the reviewer said it slow down the phone and battery life sucked. My live wall paper on N1 only uses slightly more battery than static wallpaper. Oh, and I'm speaking this from my own personal statement.
None in my posts states iPhone or Touch are not useful. All I am saying is Apple is not perfect and they are not the best on everything. But it's hard for a diehard fanboy to see that.
Even though the EVO is not out yet, it's specs are pretty close with Incredible and Desire. All have the same processor, similar amount of RAM, and all are running 2.1 Sense UI. You can play with the Incredible and that's pretty much how the EVO will perform.
What do you expect? A message board where people can discuss technology objectively without bias? Definitely not here!
Engadget is a pretty cool place compared to here. At least it's not Apple-centric.
I think that kenyapowa was referring to how Apple does indeed play catch-up in certain areas. That they are not always the standard everyone is chasing. But to make a point, when they do "catch up", they rarely get it wrong, and usually make it better.
This goes both ways, there are some very vocal Apple supporters, sometimes going outside of reason in their support, just like there are some very vocal Apple haters, who hate no matter how innovative or impressive a new product is. This is just something we have to live with. It's not uncommon to compare current tech with upcoming or even hypothetical tech. A lot of users enjoy discussing and comparing, some, on both sides, get offensive.
I have a Droid Incredible. Flash works fine. I'm not expecting it to be amazing, but it's tolerable. Youtube on browser is trash, the app works just like the iPhone app, perfect. Live wallpapers don't have much affect on the battery compared to static so that's a moot point in my personal use, maybe different for others. Battery on the Droid Incredible is sub-par in smartphones imo. I can get 28-30hrs between charges for my normal usage. I'd LOVE to get an iPhone HD when it comes out, but I decided for the Droid Incredible for two main reasons.
1. No reliable ATT 3G @ my University and none where I spend most of my summers. I'm not going to use an 3G device while paying $29.99 for EDGE data.
2. I'm tired of waiting for a Verizon iPhone, sick of waiting, and tired of getting my hopes up. Maybe it will come, hopefully by the time my new contract is up (2 years). Or at least by then I'll have moved onto a city with new/better data options.
This is true. I can't wait to get an iPad for myself. Getting one for my mother for mother's day because IMO it's perfect for her as it is for many individuals, hence the remarkable success it's been!
Thats great. I never said it required flash. The article I linked talked about the virtues of live wallpapers. Like that makes a phone functional. They also mentioned battery life was disappointing. All the reviews I read stated it choked on flash.
Didn't say you did, did I ? Thats my opinion. Nor did I say Apple was perfect. You STILL missed my point. Reread my previous post.
Yep, speced pretty much the same. Are we expecting different results ?