This is the correct attitude. Consumers should go for the best quality instead of being led around by the nose. I buy the best device for myself, whatever that might be.
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[Merged] iPhone 4 "Silent Upgrade" / "Running Change" rumors
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This is the correct attitude. Consumers should go for the best quality instead of being led around by the nose. I buy the best device for myself, whatever that might be.
I didn't want to read 14 pages so sorry if this has been mentioned. Some readers have pointed out that the band next to the headphone jack is missing, but there's more. The plastic trim next that goes around the glass seems to disappear when it goes around the corner of the glass and it turns into a 3Gs-like bezel. Speaking of which, the bezel's scratches are super pixelated and the glass looks like its contrast has been upped in Photoshop or something.
They didn't arbitrarily stop it. They put a deadline on it and even specifically said they could extend it if necessary.
It is fundamental to never make open-ended offers on things because it can only cause you problems. Worst case scenario is Apple simply has to extend the period of providing free bumpers longer.
Acting like it is some kind of sign or signal is ignorant. It is not a sign or signal, they are not doing anything magical or sneaky. The deadline is there just because it makes it much easier to manage and control the situation.
The way some people act they would feel they were entitled to get a free case forever. People really are that dumb at least here. So they can't leave anything to chance.
They do however leave the door open, like I said to provide another fix if something comes up or some kind of less expensive case or solution if that works as well. They are just providing themselves room to operate not promising some kind of backdoor change. Believing that is just silly.
They meant what they said. I am not sure why some of you like to set yourselves up for perpetual disappointment in life.
I think not. If you took apart an iphone 3gs from launch day and one made last month, I bet you they are EXACTLY the same. If Apple tries to change a part or redesign any part of this phone especially the antenna, and some site like ifixit finds out.....you can imagine the excrement storm that it would cause after holding a press conference and saying that there is not a problem with the design of the phone.
Ill say it again, they are not redesigning this phone. Period. They are selling them far and away faster than they can build them, the vast majority of owners are totally satisfied, and aside from upping the storage capacity and dropping the price of the original iphone, they release new phones YEARLY.
There is nothing to look into. Apple held a conference and stood their ground. There is nothing they can do without internalizing the antenna.
It's 50% no human touch on the metal antenna and 50% moving the hand millimeters away from the antenna.
Your will not see any improvement by glossing over the metal or whatever modification can be done without fundamentally changing the iPhone 4.
The only possibility by September 30 would be to relocated the meeting point of the antennas.
Lol. I'm not living in a dream. Did you even read the answers Steven Jobs were providing during the Q and A? And why would there be lawsuits if a slight improvement to the phone antenna is completed during the product life cycle? By Apple providing free cases to everyone, they are admitting a problem exists. By Apple acknowledging and fixing the issue, that would place a positive spin on public relations because they will be recognized as proactively fixing the issue.
The reason why the free cases are being offered is due the current ramped up production of iPhone 4s ready for international launch in 17 different countries just 11 days away. Once those phones are sold, I'm sure there will be a more permanent fix in the next production cycle. Hence, this is why Steve Jobs admitted they were re-evaluating the situation. If this issue is so cut and dry as some you may seem to think, there wouldn't be anything to re-evaluate.
This issue will not go away and will only be larger once the phone in launched internationally. There has to be more of formal fix than just providing free cases for the next year until the new iPhone comes out. That's reality. You're the one living in a dream state if you think this issue will just fall under the carpet. The phone has been only launched in the US and a handful of other countries and look at the firestorm the issue has created. Now, add 17 more countries and millions of more iPhones sold...
Is common sense so difficult?
1) And why not? Ifh it's Apple's contention there is no significant problems they shoal proceed as planned.
2) The rest of the world can buy or pass on the phone based on experiences in the US. caveat emptor.
Right...
Im no fan boy, but i am a user plain and simple. After been thoroughly fed up of the "NO SIM" issue i just swapped my phone with o2 for a new one.
Stock was new in today as a point of reference.
I read this thread this morning and thought i'd see if i could indeed see the sensor on my old phone and the answer was no, how ever with my new iphone 4 i can see the sensor much like i could on my 3GS. While the answer is yes i can its not quite as visable, how ever the front is lighter and i can now see the sensor.
Now the photo here ever one is using...
Has been lightened / flash been used i can 100% confirm, because mine isn't that noticeable, that said i can see it and the front is lighter than my old one for sure. I cant do a side by side comparison right now. but i can say that in the same light in the office, in the same place with the new one i can defiantly notice the difference.
Conspiracy or not, new phone = lighter black on the front but only ever so slightly, just enough to see it
I will report back tonight to see if its now better proximity wise and antenna wise.
In regards to the antenna bands, mine still has the two block notches and doesn't feel different to be honest.
I'll see if i can get a photo of mine too
UPDATE: My Phone is week 28 Manufactured Which is the Week Commencing 5th July as a point of reference.
Phil
Im no fan boy, but i am a user plain and simple. After been thoroughly fed up of the "NO SIM" issue i just swapped my phone with o2 for a new one.
Stock was new in today as a point of reference.
I read this thread this morning and thought i'd see if i could indeed see the sensor on my old phone and the answer was no, how ever with my new iphone 4 i can see the sensor much like i could on my 3GS. While the answer is yes i can its not quite as visable, how ever the front is lighter and i can now see the sensor.
Now the photo here ever one is using...
Has been lightened / flash been used i can 100% confirm, because mine isn't that noticeable, that said i can see it and the front is lighter than my old one for sure. I cant do a side by side comparison right now. but i can say that in the same light in the office, in the same place with the new one i can defiantly notice the difference.
Conspiracy or not, new phone = lighter black on the front but only ever so slightly, just enough to see it
I will report back tonight to see if its now better proximity wise and antenna wise.
In regards to the antenna bands, mine still has the two block notches and doesn't feel different to be honest.
I'll see if i can get a photo of mine too
UPDATE: My Phone is week 28 Manufactured Which is the Week Commencing 5th July as a point of reference.
Phil
Name me one cell phone that's been redesigned/recalled mid cycle
NONE.
The only time there's ever been a recall has been a safety issue like a battery exploding or overheating.
But cell phone manufactures HAVE never recalled/redesigned any of their products mid-cycle.
They simply find it far cheaper to either replace each defective product with another phone individual rather than a mass product redesign.
I am still waiting for RIM to fix their UMA to 3g/EDGE handoff issue on my Blackberry Curve 8320 after 3 years. HINT: RIM has released probably 10-15 different phones since 2007 and have left us 8320 owners in the dust with this issue. Samsung promised their Behold 2 owners a Android 2.0 update. It was even listed on their website and they had a video. But Samsung will not give those owners an 2.0 update and won't apologized for it either.
Apple and their bean counters have offered their cheapest solution. They have also let the customer return their iphone if they aren't satisfied. They have somewhat issue a "we're not perfect and cell phone's aren't perfect" statement. That's the most a cell phone company has every done with a product that's not perfect.
Either take Apple's solution or return your phone. Or if you are on the fence, go vote with your pocket book and buy a competitor's phone.
Cell phone companies are in business to make profits. At least Apple has somewhat address the situation. Other companies just lay low and quietly discontinue their product after 6 months to a year and move on.
NONE.
The only time there's ever been a recall has been a safety issue like a battery exploding or overheating.
But cell phone manufactures HAVE never recalled/redesigned any of their products mid-cycle.
They simply find it far cheaper to either replace each defective product with another phone individual rather than a mass product redesign.
I am still waiting for RIM to fix their UMA to 3g/EDGE handoff issue on my Blackberry Curve 8320 after 3 years. HINT: RIM has released probably 10-15 different phones since 2007 and have left us 8320 owners in the dust with this issue. Samsung promised their Behold 2 owners a Android 2.0 update. It was even listed on their website and they had a video. But Samsung will not give those owners an 2.0 update and won't apologized for it either.
Apple and their bean counters have offered their cheapest solution. They have also let the customer return their iphone if they aren't satisfied. They have somewhat issue a "we're not perfect and cell phone's aren't perfect" statement. That's the most a cell phone company has every done with a product that's not perfect.
Either take Apple's solution or return your phone. Or if you are on the fence, go vote with your pocket book and buy a competitor's phone.
Cell phone companies are in business to make profits. At least Apple has somewhat address the situation. Other companies just lay low and quietly discontinue their product after 6 months to a year and move on.
I did a quick Google and there is a long list:
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09744.html
"could fail to connect to emergency 911."
http://www.product-reviews.net/2009...cell-phone-recall-software-t83lgv03-t83lgv04/
"The phones are now to be recalled as they have difficulty keeping a connection, or they have poor voice quality when making 911 calls."
Both of these phones were recalled as having safety issues because of reception issues that prevent calls to 911.
I always post that I'm not the search police, but typing in all caps make cranky. Google is your friend. I apologize if I missed an important point in your post but I didn't read the whole thing.
http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09744.html
"could fail to connect to emergency 911."
http://www.product-reviews.net/2009...cell-phone-recall-software-t83lgv03-t83lgv04/
"The phones are now to be recalled as they have difficulty keeping a connection, or they have poor voice quality when making 911 calls."
Both of these phones were recalled as having safety issues because of reception issues that prevent calls to 911.
I always post that I'm not the search police, but typing in all caps make cranky. Google is your friend. I apologize if I missed an important point in your post but I didn't read the whole thing.
Motorola had redesign many of their phone mid cycle, happens all the time. The droid actually went to a redesign not long ago (power supply change).
Besides, just because i recall hasn't happen on the cellphone industry yet it doesn't mean it could not happen, recall on consumer electronics are doom to happen sooner or later. (I don't think they should recall by the way, I just think that your argument is flawed)
I did use Google. Most of the product recalls were not actual cell phone recalls. They were all battery/charging recalls.
Plus the Samsung Jitterburg was a very minor product in terms of overall sales for Samsung. A tiny amount compared to what Apple or other big cell phone launches.
I am not trying to defend Apple. They need to do what's best for their profit margins and their stockholders. As long as it's not a safety issue, there won't be a recall. Might they do a quiet antenna coating? Maybe. And they may quietly replace each individual cell phone user who visits the apple genius bar or calls applecare. But they won't do a mass recall. What we have is a very vocal minority. If they aren't happy with the phone, don't get one.
At least Apple address the issues much more quickly than their competitors. I also have the Nokia E71-2 model and it took them over 6 months to finally issue a firmware release. RIM never offered to recall my 8320 model. Clearly a defective design/software issue with UMA but RIM doesn't care.
Oh one more thing: My new Samsung Vibrant (aka galaxy S) has even worse cell phone antenna death grip issues than the iPhone 4. But I use both phones in cases so that's mute point.
The samsung a900 (aka blade) was redesigned because of antena issues. I had the original which was all metal and a couple of months in they redesigned it to be mostly plastic. And I think at the time it was sprints best selling handset.
Steve didn't say there was not a problem -
He said it IS a problem that all phones share, not a problem specific to iPhone 4. He totally left the door open for "improvements" to the antenna design when he said that working to solve those problems is the challenge of all smartphone makers. Apple will market as a feature any revisions or added parts that resolve (or substantially reduce) this challenge that has affected all phones. Whatever change does or does not happen will of course be informed by sales trends over the next few months.
You are 100% right. And when the next phone comes out, Im sure that will be the case. This thread, however is speaking of some kind of cloak and dagger, back room, "silent" upgrade. I am saying that it wont happen, they will not try to sneak in some change, no matter how small or seemingly un-noticeable they think it might be. In this day and age, with the blogosphere in full tilt, they just cant get away with it. Were talking about apple for Pete's sake! They cant file one form with any regulatory agency without 6000 websites immediately posting the contents and speculating the purpose. Every single product they sell is torn down into constituent parts and photographed and posted on said websites with part numbers and suppliers names for every single chip.
Im not taking up for apple here by the way, just stating that if you people are waiting to buy a phone after sept because you think you will get the "revised" one with a fixed (insert problem dujour here)________. Youre just wanting something to fret about or just plain wasting time. Like I said before, can you imagine the PR disaster that would happen if they get caught modifiying the phone after all this. That would force them to admit that there is a flaw in the actual design of this phone (i PERSONALLY dont think so) and that is simply not going to happen. Of course they will improve on their designs and hardware with future revisions, and if you think Im trying to say that they wont, youre missing my point here all-together.
yup.. some people are just going crazy over this and over analyzing..
let me tell you why you can see the prox sensor on some and not others.. because the glass is PAINTED!!.. so you did not get a new version of the iphone.. you just got a one that has a crappy printed glass..check the blogs and even MR front page for story on iphone glass manufacturer in china.
and once again..
1. apple dare not silently update the phone because if news of it ever gets out.. the **** storm will be so huge steph jobs will need a isubmarine
2. any antenna or electrical component changes will have to be approved by FCC.. which makes "silent" impossible (read all FCC filings are PUBLIC!)
some people amaze me with their wishful thinking
If Apple can perform this at the factory...
Here is scientific proof of the issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TclSVCPzEs&feature=player_embedded
Here is scientific proof of the issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TclSVCPzEs&feature=player_embedded
bunk
I actually saw this this AM and don't find it compelling, although of course I KNOW the phone has the issue.
If you look at the video closely, when he goes to touch the phone AFTER putting on the special tape, he ONE doesn't touch if very much at all and TWO it STILL stops just briefly
I actually saw this this AM and don't find it compelling, although of course I KNOW the phone has the issue.
If you look at the video closely, when he goes to touch the phone AFTER putting on the special tape, he ONE doesn't touch if very much at all and TWO it STILL stops just briefly