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[Merged] iPhone 4 "Silent Upgrade" / "Running Change" rumors

millerb7 said:
The 30 days return is quickly approaching and I'm still torn. I like my iPhone 4 but I REFUSE to have an "older, not working properly model" just because jobs is to bull-headed to admit a MAJOR manufacturing flaw.
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If its even physically possible, just calm down, and answer one question.

Does YOUR iPhone 4 have a problem? Is it difficult to use?

Is the answer is no, then I'm going to very loudly ask you to ****.


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Mass hysteria over absolutely nothing.
 
WeegieMac said:
Explain how that works when they (if they have) fixed the issue but told retail employees to refuse exchanges on the basis of antenna issues?

So unless your phone develops another flaw, you won't actually get a fault free antenna version, which you are entitled to as a paying customer?

Surely you see my point?
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Why exchange phones when it won't help the problem? If this is all true then once Apple knows the revised phones fix the issues they may permit exchanges again.

Also, 30 days is for a refund, not exchange. AppleCare offers 1 year. If you're considering returning it, then do it. If you want to keep it and just hope Apple offers a fix, then 30 days means nothing.
 
I'm not sure what's more annoying, the media blowing this thing out of proportion or people who fall victim to the placebo effect and think they have a new magical revised phone.

It's ridiculous, seriously just stop.
 
pmz said:
If its even physically possible, just calm down, and answer one question.

Does YOUR iPhone 4 have a problem? Is it difficult to use?

Is the answer is no, then I'm going to very loudly ask you to ****.


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Mass hysteria over absolutely nothing.
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As I said, all this over a photoshopped image. That's why gizmodo sucks compared to engadget IMO ;)

Reading comprehension FTW!
 
The most damning evidence of changes to the iPhone will be when the white iPhone is released. If every single person who buys one says they are perfect and cannot reproduce the signal loss (not fluctuate with cupping but actual drop of 3+ bars or stoppage of data) at all then I would venture to say Apple delayed the white iPhone to implement changes to it and the black iPhone should be updated shortly as well.
 
Maybe I missed this..

Is there a post anywhere that the person with the new iPhone rev didn't just unscrew the bottom screws, take the back off, and apply clear finger nail polish to the entire stainless surface on the outside of the phone, put the back on after it dried, and snap the pics?

We know the seam is actually there. We know this photo could have been taken with a camera that had a flash on it (if the phone was close to the camera, there MAY have been some IR that was picked up by the cameras CCD). I am NOT an expert on such things. I could be entirely wrong, and if you know better, tell me I'm up in the night.

Just a guess why the stainless looks "different" (it's lacquered) and the prox sensor is easier to see.
 
Squid7085 said:
Well, I got my iPhone 4 on launch day, and my brother just got his iPhone 4 from the most recent batch. When he gets home and activates it on Wednesday, I'll make sure to do some comparisons. However, I think that this instance is just more of an issue of production between different factories and such. Apple is great at making sure products stick to a very strict look, but with 2 million + phones, it has to be impossible for every single one to be the exact same shade of black and all the metal to have the exact same finish.
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Actually...no. I'd be very surprised if phones looked different due to reasons you cite. This from an Industrial Engineer and PMP....
 
dagomike said:
Why exchange phones when it won't help the problem? If this is all true then once Apple knows the revised phones fix the issues they may permit exchanges again.

Also, 30 days is for a refund, not exchange. AppleCare offers 1 year. If you're considering returning it, then do it. If you want to keep it and just hope Apple offers a fix, then 30 days means nothing.
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I hope that will be the case. The last thing I want is to be stuck with an original iPhone 4 (with a defective antenna) and have no recourse because I waited beyond the 30 day return period in good faith. If Apple would just indicate that original owners would be covered, I would gladly wait until a hardware revision was available. It seems like the only way to be 100% sure of not getting stuck is to return the phone, wait for a revision, and then buy a new one. I just don't trust Apple to do the right thing based on their responses so far.
 
Out of curiosity, I just put my multimeter on my iPhone across the "death grip" gap, and my reading came out to .3, which essentially means the two sections are connected. In theory, those sections should be isolated from each other and I should get a far higher reading. So that means even when I'm not holding the phone, it won't be performing as well as it should.
 
kntgsp said:
And yet the only people saying it's missing the gap at the top (which it isn't) are the MacRumors members. It's simply being held at a slight angle to show the proximity sensor better in the light and it makes the black border around the glass appear to be the top antenna band. It isn't rocket science.

Where in the Gizmodo post do they mention the antenna gap being removed at the top?
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There you go making sense. That seems to be against the rules here lately.
 
I bought my iPhone on the release of it at AT&T. I can see my proximity sensor when it is in the sunlight. This is not a different iPhone. If they do a recall they will announce it, not do a "silent recall".
 
jayducharme said:
Out of curiosity, I just put my multimeter on my iPhone across the "death grip" gap, and my reading came out to .3, which essentially means the two sections are connected. In theory, those sections should be isolated from each other and I should get a far higher reading. So that means even when I'm not holding the phone, it won't be performing as well as it should.
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That's actually a very interesting idea. Why hasn't anyone else tried this. Something else that would be interesting is attempting to bridge the two with a small wire or conductive tape. This could eliminate the act of holding the phone as a variable, and isolate it to bridging the antennas.
 
gizmodo's been on an anti-apple spree ever since their little incident.

are they telling the truth or trying to get back some readers? :rolleyes:
 
jayducharme said:
Out of curiosity, I just put my multimeter on my iPhone across the "death grip" gap, and my reading came out to .3, which essentially means the two sections are connected. In theory, those sections should be isolated from each other and I should get a far higher reading. So that means even when I'm not holding the phone, it won't be performing as well as it should.
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I thought that was weird too but I think tominabox1 has a good explanation.

tominabox1 said:
RF does not equal DC - many types of antennas have a DC connection like this (the details are..well technical) At RF frequencies (you know, the ones where cell networks operate) those "shorts" become less "short" and more "open." Without getting into the technical stuff I think that answers your question.

(for a more detailed example...take an inductor, its DC resistance is basically zero, but it will become highly "resistive" at a high frequency, which is inverse to a capacitor which has a DC resistance which is very high and an RF resistance that is very low...get it?)
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Hrrrmmm...

I can see it now....Apple silently releases iPhone 4.1

The caption would read: This Changes Everything. Yet again that changed everything. Again. :p

No worries - fence-sitter here patiently waiting for the white 4 - hopefully with the aforementioned issues (antenna and proximity sensor) resolved. Here's to waiting this out.
 
Gimzotoy said:
Originally Posted by jayducharme
Out of curiosity, I just put my multimeter on my iPhone across the "death grip" gap, and my reading came out to .3, which essentially means the two sections are connected. In theory, those sections should be isolated from each other and I should get a far higher reading. So that means even when I'm not holding the phone, it won't be performing as well as it should.

Originally Posted by Gimzotoy
That's actually a very interesting idea. Why hasn't anyone else tried this. Something else that would be interesting is attempting to bridge the two with a small wire or conductive tape. This could eliminate the act of holding the phone as a variable, and isolate it to bridging the antennas.
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You'll get a minuscule voltage reading on about anything. Use your multimeter's continuity checker instead. Im sure it will indicate an incomplete circuit.
 
jayducharme said:
I just put my multimeter on my iPhone across the "death grip" gap, and my reading came out to .3, which essentially means the two sections are connected. In theory, those sections should be isolated from each other and I should get a far higher reading. So that means even when I'm not holding the phone, it won't be performing as well as it should.
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Electrical circuits behave VERY differently at RF frequencies than with direct-current. Your multimeter test is meaningless.

Example: a capacitor is highly resistive to DC voltage once charged but becomes more like a short circuit at RF voltage. an inductor behaves the opposite; it acts like a short to DC voltage but becomes very resistive to RF voltage.
 
jrlepage said:
Okay bored nerds, I have a project for you:

Make one of those maps on the web where people can register their location... Forget which sites have them, maybe google maps will do it.

Get people from these forums to pin themselves to the map, and lump them into categories based on signal issues. Then overlay an AT&T coverage map of some kind.

I'll betcha the problem cases match up well with areas that have known spotty coverage from AT&T.
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Smart.....
 
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