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Time to throw my coal in the fire

I ordered my MBP this morning (~8:45am) through the apple store.

17" , 2gb ram

On the website the ship date is estimated for Sept. 26th (after photokina) and I should recieve it on the 3rd. Either way, if it ships with Merom or not, I'm opening that damn box as soon as I see it.
 
suwandy said:
I've been waiting for the MBP for quite long. At first I thought I was gonna wait for Leopard to be released (due to some rumors suggesting it's going to be released sometime around September), and that hope's gone now. Next, I thought, since Merom's out, I could wait for Merom MBP.

I grow uneasy as I waited even longer, and now I started to wonder, should I wait any longer? To be honest, I was very disappointed with 12th September event without MBP updates

If you need it I'd wait until October and then give in (the ipod deal finishes for students in october, maybe that indicates a MB update time, which may indicate MBP just before it).

You can wait and wait and wait for these things though.
 
suwandy said:
I've been waiting for the MBP for quite long. At first I thought I was gonna wait for Leopard to be released (due to some rumors suggesting it's going to be released sometime around September), and that hope's gone now. Next, I thought, since Merom's out, I could wait for Merom MBP.

I grow uneasy as I waited even longer, and now I started to wonder, should I wait any longer? To be honest, I was very disappointed with 12th September event without MBP updates

The 12th Sep event was a disgrace, apart from the new Nanos there really is nothing.
 
generik said:
The 12th Sep event was a disgrace, apart from the new Nanos there really is nothing.

How can you describe anything like this as a disgrace? These are just consumer electonic items we're talking about here. A sense of perspective is required.
 
generik said:
The 12th Sep event was a disgrace, apart from the new Nanos there really is nothing.

The only part that was a disgrace was that horrible iPod 1.2 firmware, effectively killing my (and most people's) 5g iPod. Had to go back to 1.1.2, but not before attempting restores on 1.2 and erasing everything. Ugh.

Ok, now that the rant is over.... here's hoping for that Core2 MBP soon. I no longer get my hopes up for any new Monday-Wednesday releases. I will just wait to be surprised and immediately buy (like the rest of the world, it seems).
 
Well I am giving in. Im buying mine tomorrow at the apple retail store near my house and Ill be happy. Ive been waiting a looong time.
 
deputy_doofy said:
The only part that was a disgrace was that horrible iPod 1.2 firmware, effectively killing my (and most people's) 5g iPod. Had to go back to 1.1.2, but not before attempting restores on 1.2 and erasing everything. Ugh.
Most peoples'? I think that's misleading - neither I nor any of my 5g-toting friends has had a problem.
 
marmiteturkey said:
Most peoples'? I think that's misleading - neither I nor any of my 5g-toting friends has had a problem.

Ok. I'll retract the "most people's" comment since it is too generalized, but I am FAR from alone with my problem since the upgrade. A visit to the iPod discussion forums on Apple's support site will show that.
 
Furry muff! I'm loving Vortex on my 11-month old 60gb... But I fly through Hong Kong on 26th Sept, and it's touch and go whether I'll be leaving with a MBP C2D. Could I be cutting it any finer?
 
almonde said:
I just read this, what do you guys think..

http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34222

(couldn't see it in any other thread using forum spy)

Hi btw, first post (long term reader)

Edit: for title typo :eek:
The Meroms have already been released. Apple just doesn't seem to have a grasp of those chips (or they're just stalling for the holiday). If the wait is too long, I would wait until 2007. What's new for 2007 are the new Intel processors (codenamed 'Santa Rosa') that would sport a faster FSB speed and a possible new WiFi standard chipset. More info here
 
I don't see why processors that are available for the imac, cant' be for the mbp! it's unfortunate that it's taking them for ever to release the new mbp lines

I am currently without a computer, even a crapy one, and using the computers in campus is quite frustrating. but, i will never buy a yonah mb. afterall when i buy a mac i want the newest available. i'd rather buy a cheap toshiba, or a used pbook in the meanwhile and wait for a brand new 15' mbp

let them be out soon apple!!!!!!
 
The iPod promotion ends tomorrow, Saturday the 16th. Will Apple institute a new deal? Was Apple just waiting for the deal to run out so they could go ahead and announce the rest of their C2D product line (such as the MBP?)

The new iMacs were not eligible for the offer which reduced the the products eligible for the promo down to three. If they were to introduce new MBP's, and perhaps MB's as well, before the promo ended, that would reduce the the number of products eligible down to two and one respectively. That doesn't seem like an a very comprehensive promotion.

That's one of the reasons why we'll see C2D MBP's on the 19th (IMO.) Factor in that Apple released the new iMacs a week before one of their recent "big" events, releasing MBP's on the 19th, a week before their next event, might make a crazy kind of sense from our perspective.
 
emotion said:
I'm aware of the nature of the Yonah/Merom pin compatibility.

I've seen report of an increase in the thermal output of these chips (despite earlier claims saying TDP would be lower). The MBP (and MB) are very hot already so I'm thinking this may also be part of the delay.

Intel's raised the TDP by a shade under 3% but the benchmark tests I've seen suggest this is a rather pessimistic view. Given that, and that at idle both Merom and Yonah are comparable, I wouldn't have thought this would be a problem with the current enclosure.

emotion said:
You're right though I've also seen the reports of shortages. If that's the case then maybe Intel need to step up their game as AMD are hot on their heals (admittedly not in the Apple market though).

Even before Core2 shipped, Intel was predicting demand would be high compared to supply, so it doesn't seem terribly unlikely.

Part of the problem is changing over the fabs from Pentium-4/D production. It's non-trivial and Core2 was brought to market earlier than had been previously planned. Bear in mind Intel expects far more systems to be shipped with Netburst chips than Core2, even up to and including 1Q07.

Intel's on their game. The shortage problem will cure itself in a relatively short period. It's just a natural, essentially unavoidable problem in a transitional phase.
 
HecubusPro said:
The iPod promotion ends tomorrow, Saturday the 16th. Will Apple institute a new deal? Was Apple just waiting for the deal to run out so they could go ahead and announce the rest of their C2D product line (such as the MBP?)

Doubt it. I figure they'd have just made new systems ineligable.

They could have kept eligability for Core-based systems, but not Core-2. Might even help clear any leftover stock. The only downside I see is if there was more demand for Core-Duo+free iPod than they could supply...
 
HecubusPro said:
The new iMacs were not eligible for the offer which reduced the the products eligible for the promo down to three. If they were to introduce new MBP's, and perhaps MB's as well, before the promo ended, that would reduce the the number of products eligible down to two and one respectively. That doesn't seem like an a very comprehensive promotion.

That's one of the reasons why we'll see C2D MBP's on the 19th (IMO.) Factor in that Apple released the new iMacs a week before one of their recent "big" events, releasing MBP's on the 19th, a week before their next event, might make a crazy kind of sense from our perspective.

Those are extremely good observations, and I believe that September 19th is a very logical date for the C2D MBP's to be released. It seems to make much more sense for them to come out earlier than Photokina, than during, for the MBP's would take away some of the fame, if you will, from the releases during Apple's upcoming special event.

But if this is not the case, then Photokina seems to be a very logical release date :p
 
Santa Rosa...

Hey - maybe it would be a good idea to wait for Santa Rosa - that looks to be a bigger leap in perf then the current merom.

And the longer Apple waits, the eaiser it is for us to wait!

it makes me think it's wiser to wait for Leopard and Santa Rosa - why pay for the OS twice?
 
louden said:
Hey - maybe it would be a good idea to wait for Santa Rosa - that looks to be a bigger leap in perf then the current merom.

And the longer Apple waits, the eaiser it is for us to wait!

it makes me think it's wiser to wait for Leopard and Santa Rosa - why pay for the OS twice?

Santa Rosa won't affect performance a great deal.

The faster FSB will make a difference of maybe 3-5%. Maybe a little more in bandwidth-sensitive applications (say, some forms of decompression).

The other big differences are the new graphics core -- which the MBP won't use, the 802.11n - for which the spec hasn't yet been ratified, and is something easily added by changing/adding a wifi card, and perhaps the Robson flash caching technology.

It's an advance but it's incremental, in much the way Merom is an incremental update over Yonah.

Whether buyers wait or not tends to be based on what they need and when-- and bear in mind, you can also say "Why not wait for Penryn" -- it'll be faster than Merom. And then wait for...

You can wait forever :)

However, if Apple waits, a lot of people are going to go elsewhere. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Apple doesn't need to worry about the "true believers" in OS X. Apple has them already, they're not going anywhere.

Apple needs the "switchers", the people who are currently using Windows laptops. Right now, if Apple stays with Core Duo when Dell, Toshiba Sony et al offer Core2, it will cost them a lot of sales.

Some hold out the operating system as the reason to go with Apple. Sure, it's a good reason. However, the "switchers" aren't going to pay premium prices for Apple's hardware when it's using a CPU that is -- according to Intel, no less -- the low-end offering. Remember, people who know nothing compare "bullet points" from ads, and Core2 sounds better than Core.

Remember, the 'switcher" market for the most part hasn't really experienced the OS yet. Once you get them to buy Apple, it might be reason enough regardless of other factors, but Apple can't be behind or they'll lose a lot of sales.

There's a lot of laptops sold in the Christmas period and whether or not people go with Apple will in a lot of cases depend on hardware parity. Apple already has at least the perception of costing more -- regardless of whether that's true (and I personally think it is in the case of the notebooks, but it's a complex argument).

That in itself isn't a problem. People will pay a premium for something percieved as a premium brand. But, they won't if there's a perception that they're paying boutique prices for something that is somehow "low end" -- and that's where they'll see Core in the Dells, etc -- the very cheapest will be Pentium-M and the better low-end and cheapest mid-range systems will be Core. Mid-range and up will be all Core2.

Beyond that, Apple doesn't want you to wait either. Apple wants you to buy now.

Damn. What was meant to be a short response turned into an essay. Oops. :)
 
scott523 said:
The Meroms have already been released. Apple just doesn't seem to have a grasp of those chips (or they're just stalling for the holiday). If the wait is too long, I would wait until 2007. What's new for 2007 are the new Intel processors (codenamed 'Santa Rosa') that would sport a faster FSB speed and a possible new WiFi standard chipset. More info here


scott523 - you really need to slow down and know what you are talking about.

Sant Rosa IS NOT any code name for a new Intel processor. It is a new chipset that will provide a small FSB speed increase (667 > 800) and may support the 802.11n standard - even though that standard has been delayed.
 
Apple Corps said:
scott523 - you really need to slow down and know what you are talking about.

Sant Rosa IS NOT any code name for a new Intel processor. It is a new chipset that will provide a small FSB speed increase (667 > 800) and may support the 802.11n standard - even though that standard has been delayed.

Santa Rosa the next platform, not chipset. The chipset is Crestline.

Santa Rosa consists of Merom, Crestline and Kedron (the 802.11n).
 
ergle2 said:
Santa Rosa the next platform, not chipset. The chipset is Crestline.

Santa Rosa consists of Merom, Crestline and Kedron (the 802.11n).

ergle2 - well - I'm partially guilty of the offense I commented on :)

The main point is that Santa Rosa is not the next generation mobile processor, I believe that is codenamed Penryn - yes??
 
Apple Corps said:
ergle2 - well - I'm partially guilty of the offense I commented on :)

The main point is that Santa Rosa is not the next generation mobile processor, I believe that is codenamed Penryn - yes??

Yup. Penryn's a die-shrink of Merom, and last I read it was expected to have 6Meg L2 for the T7xxx versions and 3Meg for the T5xxx versions vs 4Meg/2Meg respectively on Meromm and assuming intel retain the same model numbering scheme, which seems likely.

Not sure you want to use the word "generation" in there, since I'd consider that to be the Nehalem line -- which is the new micro-arch due in '08. :)

Ah, semantics... :)
 
ergle2 said:
Yup. Penryn's a die-shrink of Merom, and last I read it was expected to have 6Meg L2 for the T7xxx versions and 3Meg for the T5xxx versions vs 4Meg/2Meg respectively on Meromm and assuming intel retain the same model numbering scheme, which seems likely.

Not sure you want to use the word "generation" in there, since I'd consider that to be the Nehalem line -- which is the new micro-arch due in '08. :)

Ah, semantics... :)

OK - we can at least agree that Santa Rosa is not the "cpu" :D
 
HecubusPro said:
The iPod promotion ends tomorrow, Saturday the 16th. Will Apple institute a new deal? Was Apple just waiting for the deal to run out so they could go ahead and announce the rest of their C2D product line (such as the MBP?)

The new iMacs were not eligible for the offer which reduced the the products eligible for the promo down to three. If they were to introduce new MBP's, and perhaps MB's as well, before the promo ended, that would reduce the the number of products eligible down to two and one respectively. That doesn't seem like an a very comprehensive promotion.

That's one of the reasons why we'll see C2D MBP's on the 19th (IMO.) Factor in that Apple released the new iMacs a week before one of their recent "big" events, releasing MBP's on the 19th, a week before their next event, might make a crazy kind of sense from our perspective.

The promotion is meant for THEM to clear old stock, that you happen to benefit is just an unfortunate consequence for them. Don't read too much into it and think that Apple is a charity, you had your chance... you choose to sit out on it.

Alternatively you can move to the UK and pay an extra 17% on VAT for some real consumer protection :rolleyes:
 
generik said:
The promotion is meant for THEM to clear old stock, that you happen to benefit is just an unfortunate consequence for them. Don't read too much into it and think that Apple is a charity, you had your chance... you choose to sit out on it.

Alternatively you can move to the UK and pay an extra 17% on VAT for some real consumer protection :rolleyes:

Sitting out on it wasn't really an issue with me. I want the C2D MBP, and I could give a rats about getting a free ipod in the process. If they were to offer a new promotion that would be nice, but I'm not counting on it. I've got blinders on for the updated MBP.

I'm just hypothesizing based on rumor and speculation, i.e. reading into it because it's so darned fun. :)
 
Ordered the stock 15" MBP last night (8/16) at 10:30 PDT. Expected ship date is 9/19 with delivery by 9/26. Here's hoping they announce the updated MBP on the 19th and I get one.

1 MBPRO 15/2.0/1X512/80/128VRAM/SD-USA Sep 19, 2006 Sep 26, 2006
 
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