Merom Laptops Delayed Until 2007?

[DNSTM]

I'm sorry MattDell & BWhaler.

The Inquirer has extremely reliable sources at Intel.

The iMac's do not use Meroms but they use underclocked Conroes.
It's basically a drop-in upgrade with the old chipset but a new socket. A true mobile desktop hybrid.

It's a bit of a hack, possibly apple preferred to use meroms, but they are too thinly spread. Another possibility is they did not have enough time to develop a new iMac platform based on a Conroe chipset.

-DNSTM

 

[dgdosen]

Trolling

i dont understand why every other manufacturer would have plenty of merom but apple would not.

I agree. The article makes no sense whatsoever. If anything, I think more than ever we should make sure prospective customers don't buy an Yonah MBP - the more sales dry up, the faster they'll act.

 

[Andrew F]

I'm sorry MattDell & BWhaler.

The Inquirer has extremely reliable sources at Intel.

The iMac's do not use Meroms but they use underclocked Conroes.
It's basically a drop-in upgrade with the old chipset but a new socket. A true mobile desktop hybrid.

It's a bit of a hack, possibly apple preferred to use meroms, but they are too thinly spread. Another possibility is they did not have enough time to develop a new iMac platform based on a Conroe chipset.

-DNSTM

Are you affiliated with the Inquirer? I only ask because you joined the forum today, your first post reassures us of the Inquirer's reliability, and you seem to be very sure about your information. I too am new to the forum, so I am definitely not ragging on you, just wondering. I had not heard that the iMac is using under clocked Conroes. If that is the case, it is great news because then the Meroms can go into the notebooks with no supply problems. This of course would mean that the Inquirer’s predictions about a Merom supply shortage, a late MBP update, and their use in the iMac is incorrect.

 

[AppleIntelRock]

Are you affiliated with the Inquirer? I only ask because you joined the forum today, your first post reassures us of the Inquirer's reliability, and you seem to be very sure about your information. I too am new to the forum, so I am definitely not ragging on you, just wondering. I had not heard that the iMac is using under clocked Conroes. If that is the case, it is great news because then the Meroms can go into the notebooks with no supply problems. This of course would mean that the Inquirer’s predictions about a Merom supply shortage, a late MBP update, and their use in the iMac is incorrect.

*** I was thinking the same thing. Unless that person owns a C2D iMac, I don't want to hear about it.

 

[aaron.lee2006]

This would disappoint many who are waiting. Moral of the story: Buy when you need, be happy with what you have.

Still hope it isn't true.

True, but now I'm happy I didn't sit around and wait.

 

[DNSTM]

I'm sorry. To clarify, the post is directed towards #8 & #14.

 

[AppleIntelRock]

True, but now I'm happy I didn't sit around and wait.

You wont be when we see new ones next weekend, but then again, aren't we call sad we didn't wait at one point?

 

[Rocketman]

I agree with the comment regarding having enough to launch the imac, seems odd to forfeit the MBP to get the imac out. None of the mac sites have run with this story yet so hopefully there is nothing significant behind it.

Maybe Apple bought/reserved so many Core 2 Duo's that OTHER laptop vendors will be experiencing parts shortages for a change

The Wattage is about 3 higher but Merom has much better energy management. I just hope Core 3 Duo is even lower power since there is more benefit for machine life right now than for a 10% speed bump after an alleged 500% one from Power PC 4 or 5.

I would rather see increases in live feed capacity. 4 HD signals? In a (laptop or) palmtop display smaller than a sheet of paper? Folds in half? Wimax and 4G?

Apple could bundle a Verizon (rebranded) high bandwidth Express 34 card or Firewire/Ethernet dongle. Might be good on the graphics card board too.

Rocketman

 

[ChickenSwartz]

Ha! Even if Apple downgrades the entire MBP line back to 1Ghz G4s what are you gonna do? Get a Dell? It's a classic case of "suck it up baby!"

I would probably get a Sony. Or a thinkpad.

 

[generik]

I would probably get a Sony. Or a thinkpad.

Enjoy your exploding batteries and butt ugly black notebooks! Oh, and all the virii and spyware that comes with Windows XP

 

[ddrueckhammer]

They are probably right. The Meroms will be in short supply and Apple put all of their laptop processors in the iMac because they were planning on putting out the G5 Macbook Pros next Tuesday!

 

[MacinDoc]

Inquirer: Get your story straight!

So, according to The Inquirer:

1. Merom-based MacBooks and MBPs will be delayed due to use of Meroms, whose supply is allegedly more limited than Conroes, in the new iMacs.

2. Actually, the new iMacs use underclocked Conroes, not Meroms.

So, which one of these is true? They can't both be. I call BS.

 

[ddrueckhammer]

I would probably get a Sony. Or a thinkpad.

Sony's and Thinkpads are really nice but after shopping intensely I find that they are the most overpriced PCs out there short of going Alienware or something. Personally, I would look at HP or Toshiba because they have some decent products that aren't overpriced...

 

[Silentwave]

Underclocked Conroes? get real. UCing them would yield minimal changes in heat IMHO- Allendale and Conroe both have TDPs throughout the E6x00 range that all max out at 65W. They all have significantly faster FSBs, and the L2 sizes are just plain wrong for the clock speeds, underclocked or not.

 

[daveL]

I'm sorry MattDell & BWhaler.

The Inquirer has extremely reliable sources at Intel.

The iMac's do not use Meroms but they use underclocked Conroes.
It's basically a drop-in upgrade with the old chipset but a new socket. A true mobile desktop hybrid.

It's a bit of a hack, possibly apple preferred to use meroms, but they are too thinly spread. Another possibility is they did not have enough time to develop a new iMac platform based on a Conroe chipset.

-DNSTM

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Troll.

 

[ergle2]

Underclocked Conroes? get real. UCing them would yield minimal changes in heat IMHO- Allendale and Conroe both have TDPs throughout the E6x00 range that all max out at 65W. They all have significantly faster FSBs, and the L2 sizes are just plain wrong for the clock speeds, underclocked or not.

Conroe needs a different motherboard to Merom, so as soon as someone pulls one apart (if they haven't already...), we'll find out.

The actual core of all Core 2 processors is the same. Different packaging, Woodcrests have multi-processor support enabled, etc., but the core arch is identical across the board.

In the case of Merom, The heat (and thus power) savings on Merom come from it being run at a lower voltage than Conroe, as well as some minor savings from slower FSB/slower main clock frequency.

My thoughts on the "shortages", etc. are thus:

Intel takes orders and the cores themselves are pretty close, I wouldn't be surprised that Intel could figure out how many of each kind to make based purely on orders/interest.

The only thing that might be cause for concern is that if Intel's numbers are low, Woodcrest (Xeon) is a likely first choice, since that's where the highest profit margin is. Having said that, Merom will have a higher profit margin than Conroe in most cases (Extreme Edition aside, of course...)

The one fly in the ointment is Allendale -- it's the 2meg L2 cache version of Conroe and unlike most "cut down" chips, it's not a regular chip that's had some parts disabled via laser cutting of gates or similar; the die itself is actually smaller. This may be enough to make Allendale much more profitable, and I see it being a major part of Dell's line-up -- Dell's always been great at box-shifting low end kit.

I guess we'll see.

 

[HecubusPro]

I'm sorry MattDell & BWhaler.

The Inquirer has extremely reliable sources at Intel.

The iMac's do not use Meroms but they use underclocked Conroes.
It's basically a drop-in upgrade with the old chipset but a new socket. A true mobile desktop hybrid.

It's a bit of a hack, possibly apple preferred to use meroms, but they are too thinly spread. Another possibility is they did not have enough time to develop a new iMac platform based on a Conroe chipset.

-DNSTM

Hello. How are you? Nice to meet you. Do you have proof as to the reliability of The Inquirer on Apple concerns? They're known for having no clue when it comes to such matters. I would say you don't either.

Everyone and their dog knows the iMacs use meroms, not Conroe. Can you back up this ludicrous claim? I will continue to laugh until you do, thnx.

Apple should have received test processors early on. I'm sure they had, what they thought, were the best reasons in the whole wide world to use merom instead of conroe.

I have no problem accepting any truth in what you say, if you would have backed up what you said with actual evidence as to why you said them. You didn't even try. You just made innane statements.

 

[ergle2]

Underclocked Conroes? get real. UCing them would yield minimal changes in heat IMHO- Allendale and Conroe both have TDPs throughout the E6x00 range that all max out at 65W. They all have significantly faster FSBs, and the L2 sizes are just plain wrong for the clock speeds, underclocked or not.

The big heat-saving in Merom is due to it being a significantly lower voltage -- in arch terms, they're the same chip, pretty much. However, Conroe uses a completely different socket to Merom.

Having said that, we know the 24" model uses a different motherboard, since it supports MXM, so it is possible it's using the 2.4GHz chip slighly underclocked.

I wouldn't have thought it likely though. I'm sure someone will pull the new machines apart and document it pretty soon -- if they haven't already -- so we'll soon find out.

 

[matttrick]

Enjoy your exploding batteries and butt ugly black notebooks! Oh, and all the virii and spyware that comes with Windows XP

like macbooks are flawless? or do you enjoy warping and random shutdowns, whining, etc?

 

[ddrueckhammer]

like macbooks are flawless? or do you enjoy warping and random shutdowns, whining, etc?

Amen. That is why I'm opting for an iMac or a PC laptop. Sorry, no yellowing, warping, random shutdowns, mooing or whining for me. Also, Apple had some batteries recalled from Sony as well and the Blackbook may not be butt ugly but it certainly looks kinda like a Thinkpad. I actually like the looks of the HP dv2000. Its not sexy like a macbook but it probably is more durable.

 

[ReanimationLP]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.

The Inquirer is the National Enquirer of the tech world.

 

[dgdosen]

How about another Maybe?

Who wants to bet that new C2D MBP's won't be released on Tuesday?

How about this one:
Maybe the Inquirer is Full of Beans...
Maybe the MBPs will be so cool, cooler than a 24 inch iMac, they decided to devote part of the rollout next week to them
Maybe we'll get a redesigned Merom MBP with easy access and magnetic latch
Maybe we'll get a Merom MBP Tablet
Mabye we'll get a new 12" Merom MBP with RAM as storage (like the ipod mini) instead of a HD that would be so small and light, the battery would last 10 hours.

Maybe...

Next Tuesday we'll know!

 

[HecubusPro]

How about this one:
Maybe the Inquirer is Full of Beans...
Maybe the MBPs will be so cool, cooler than a 24 inch iMac, they decided to devote part of the rollout next week to them
Maybe we'll get a redesigned Merom MBP with easy access and magnetic latch
Maybe we'll get a Merom MBP Tablet
Mabye we'll get a new 12" Merom MBP with RAM as storage (like the ipod mini) instead of a HD that would be so small and light, the battery would last 10 hours.

Maybe...

Next Tuesday we'll know!

The Inquirer is full of beans.
The MBP's are cool.
Maybe we will get redesigned MBP.
We won't get a merom MBP tablet.
We won't get a 12" merom MBP.

Tuesday will reveal no information about the MBP, IMO.

 

[Reaver]

god I hope this is a freaking joke I guess we will see next week, cause that is my deadline for a notebook I got to have one next week so I hope apple doesnt let us down.

 

[AppleIntelRock]

god I hope this is a freaking joke I guess we will see next week, cause that is my deadline for a notebook I got to have one next week so I hope apple doesnt let us down.

haha, good luck getting a merom the day it comes out. your looking at about 2 weeks, IF it comes out next week