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Sure...and if you go back and look at the numbers, the Mac took a long time to establish itself. The iPhone was much quicker, sure. But that doesn't suggest that the AVP has to follow that model exactly. And of course Apple knew that a $3500 product wasn't going to reach global penetration like the iPhone.

I get that you don't like the product. It may never, ever, ever be for you. But your dislike says nothing about the product or the category, other than you don't like it and it's not for you.

Too many pretending to be experts. An N of 1 is not data.

Yeah, as if I'm the only one with doubts about this product. So is it n=1 or n=many?

You keep trying to ignore the converging opinions of those who have tested, used, or owned the Vision Pro.

The sales numbers tell you there's more doubt than acceptance of Apple's mass market headset.
 
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I still enjoy my AVP every day no matter what others’ opinions are. The features that are coming with visionOS 2 are awesome.

On the business side, AVP brought in more than $2B in sales (rough estimate). With a very high margin. Tell me of another AR/VR business that brings in this much cash from hardware sales. Meta is at $1B with… wait for it… $16B in LOSSES for the year.

Sure. They stopped working on it because nobody’s buying AVP OR they stopped working on it to lower their operating loss in the hardware division.

How do apple’s profits help your experience again?
 
Oh remember the Apple Vision Pro, every YouTuber was talking about it for like almost a whole week! Those sure were the days. It can do so many things, like uh... well it's like having a screen in front of you or something apparently. You can use it to... uhm... do things I guess? Anyway it's pretty cool hopefully one day someone will figure out what it's for, and maybe I'll even see one in person.
 
Regarding Vision Pro sales, that's such a shame. It has so much potential.
True, but Apple nowadays feels way too entitled to create a truly new product category. They simply expect everyone to buy their products no matter what price they charge.
Instead, what they should have done is offer the AVP for a significantly lower price, swallow the losses, invest heavily in developers and content creators for the AVP, and create a market they can then dominate for years.
 
One of the reasons AirPods are so popular is because they deliver rich sound, but at the same time they feel so light that you forget you’re even wearing them. And transparently mode allows you to feel present in the outside world while you’re listening to content.

VR is really isolating and secluding. And believe me, I’m an introvert. But I don’t want to be completely cutoff from the outside world. And the price, yikes.
 
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Smart move

I'll likely be interested in the Quest 4, assuming the resolution gets a bump again (and I'd love to see OLED)

Golf+ really has me interested
 
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More like Apple can’t sell this over engineered device and its competitors don’t want to make the same failure. Not every company has a fan base as loyal as Apple that will buy whatever they release.
Buy whatever they release at whatever price point. I’d argue if Apple charges their first gen vision pro $35000, there would still be Apple fans lining up to “embrace the future”, even taking out a loan to buy it.
Only apple has such a cult to sleep on. Literally only Apple.
 
How do apple’s profits help your experience again?
It helps ensure that the product sticks around and is continued to be supported by Apple.

For example, why do you think there is even an Apple Watch Ultra in the first place? Because Apple is perhaps the only company who can sell a $800 smart watch and actually see any quantity of meaningful sales in the mass consumer market. At a time when android wear is in a race to the bottom.

At this point in my life, I want my devices to work more than I want them to be cheap. Our priorities are not so diametrically opposed in this regard. :)
 
Buy whatever they release at whatever price point. I’d argue if Apple charges their first gen vision pro $35000, there would still be Apple fans lining up to “embrace the future”, even taking out a loan to buy it.
Only apple has such a cult to sleep on. Literally only Apple.

I kind of wish they'd REALLY push the high end with some products ... just for the entertainment value of watching people figure out how to justify the cost and purchase

I'm always amazed to watch it even just with current iPhones (as one example)

Go for it Apple!
 
I kind of wish they'd REALLY push the high end with some products ... just for the entertainment value of watching people figure out how to justify the cost and purchase

I'm always amazed to watch it even just with current iPhones (as one example)

Go for it Apple!
You know what was even more entertaining? Watching people opt for pricier iPhones over cheaper android handsets, with Apple going on to command the lion's share of profits in the smartphone market, while brands like LG and HTC suffer from negative margins and eventually drop out of the smartphone race altogether.

The beauty of the mass consumer market is that buyers don't really need to justify their purchases to anybody, and are therefore free to base their purchasing decisions on intangible (and sometimes unquantifiable) metrics that still matter to them nevertheless.

This is the lesson which Apple keeps teaching, and which others keep ignoring, often to their own detriment. :cool:
 
Meta was aiming to sell the device for under $1,000, but that was not going to be possible with the high cost of the displays.
This needs a citation.
more accurate headline: Meta couldn't out engineer Apple
Just as possible, Meta‘s subterfuge tricked Apple into pouring their money, resources, and focus into a white elephant.
For the life of me, I don't understand why a company with the market cap the size of Apple is focusing so much on something that is so clearly going to have such little appeal.
Because the CEO thought it was clearly going to have large appeal.
What do you mean "focusing so much"? They're not focusing enough.
If you were in Cook’s shoes you would have invested more into this pointless product? Apple wants the little people to risk their capital and sweat on the software.
I totally read MBA as “MacBook Air,” took me a minute to figure out why they’d need more than one!
And Apple is hoping you will also read AI as Apple Intelligence.
VR is niche. Apple refusing to call it VR stinks of naivety.
Arrogance, I would say.
 
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True, but Apple nowadays feels way too entitled to create a truly new product category. They simply expect everyone to buy their products no matter what price they charge.
Instead, what they should have done is offer the AVP for a significantly lower price, swallow the losses, invest heavily in developers and content creators for the AVP, and create a market they can then dominate for years.
Yeah I agree. It’s the best implementation of VR/AR seen yet being squandered by a lack of any support whatsoever by Apple to curate a market.
 
How many MBA's does it take to realize that nobody wants to pay $3500 to strap a brick to their face
100% one of the dumbest things. It isn't ready to release until it is small enough where people can wear it without looking like Cyborgs. Just releasing products that don't have any support or use for. iPad is still way too overpowered while running an OS that can't keep up with its abilities. Now they have a device that no one has any use for.

You can always focus on improving the iMac line by giving people what they want, a 30" iMac or improving the iPhone outside of the chip or camera lens. Do that until you can engineer this new device to be smaller and cheaper.

Apple thinks any new or innovative product they release now has to start at $3,500.
 
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