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Overall i still dont get why windows 8 is called windows at all, in its native state it doesnt have any. maybe they should have called it Window 8

Total hyperbole. Windows 8 has a desktop that's literally one click away that works the same, functions the same, and looks about the same as Windows 7. For anyone using Windows on a desktop, the Start screen is a application launcher, nothing more.

If you don't like Metro apps, then don't use Metro apps. Except for Netflix and Hulu, every one of my "tiles" is a shortcut link to either a program or a folder.

Win8 isn't perfect. I could go down a list of things that need improving. But it's hardly the unusable mess everyone here is making it out to be.
 
People actually use Windows 8?
Yes, once properly modified (get rid of all of the Metro garbage and put back a start menu), it's probably the best version of Windows that Microsoft has made. It's fast and stable.

As you can probably tell by my comments above, I would not like to see a metro version of iTunes, I think it would be a bad idea, as the Metro interface alone will kill Windows, if they don't build in a way to diable it.
 
No iTunes. No STEAM. I'm beginning to see the picture and it's the picture I saw when this POS OS was first announced.

Steam-Tunes-8.jpg


Here you go.
 
Total hyperbole. Windows 8 has a desktop that's literally one click away that works the same, functions the same, and looks about the same as Windows 7. For anyone using Windows on a desktop, the Start screen is a application launcher, nothing more.

If you don't like Metro apps, then don't use Metro apps. Except for Netflix and Hulu, every one of my "tiles" is a shortcut link to either a program or a folder.

Win8 isn't perfect. I could go down a list of things that need improving. But it's hardly the unusable mess everyone here is making it out to be.

I don't have much experience with Windows 8 other than setting up a laptop for my wife's niece in Brasil. I found it quite different at the beginning, but after a few days of playing with it, I think that it still did the same things basically the same way. Instead of clicking start on the desktop and having a list of programs come up, the Metro screen comes up and give access to the same programs. Different yes, harder, not really. I also counter clicks to do a few common tasks and found them to be the same as in prior versions of Windows. Again, I am not claiming to have extensive experience, but I did play around with it for several hours over the course of a few days as I had to set it up Portuguese and download several programs in Portuguese, language pack for Office 2013 and get her set up with the Brazilian version of Google search, etc.

The laptop we bought her was a touch screen and she loves it. Never saw Windows 8 before and she was using it like a pro in no time. I can see how the swipe in left, right, etc are more natural to use on a touch screen.
 
I think Microsoft and Apple do a lot of work together as they are now. I mean, Office for Mac is "pretty good", a lot better than Pages or Numbers. The two companies have an excellent relationship, given they are in direct competition. Even though I don't use Windows 8, or plan to, it would be nice to see Apple make a Metro app for Microsoft.

Apple and MS are joined at the hip with Windows and x86. Too many of us require both Windows and OS X. Myself, I'm quite happy with Windows 7, OSX and iOS, and together I don't have any other OS needs.

The bigger issue is, I suspect, that Apple is working on a major replacement for iTunes rather that a series of much more than tweaks. Too much technology advancement for an overhaul, in my opinion.
 
So many Windows 8 haters out there. In all honestly you just need to get used to it. The only thing I dislike about it is the fact that you HAVE to update things, with no delaying it.
 
So many Windows 8 haters out there. In all honestly you just need to get used to it. The only thing I dislike about it is the fact that you HAVE to update things, with no delaying it.

Control Panel > Windows Updates > Change Settings > *drop down box* Select the option that says download updates but let me choose whether to install them.

You're never forced to do anything in life ;)
 
i cannot even get the itunes window to fit right in the windows 8 desktop. itunes 11 is so bad and confusing to someone who has been using itunes for as long as i can remember across both platforms that i am starting to get the urge to jump ship. anyone else feel this way? i mean its getting so bad. what happened to "it just works"?

Steve passed away that's what happened. :(

Let's see if Joni Ivy can patch things up because relying on Tim Cook who is the only person on the globe using SOLELY an on screen keyboard and no physical one (and declares it with great pride) doesn't make on very confident about the future of either ios or os x ui.
 
I use it. Best Windows OS I have ever used. People just need to get over the change and actually learn how it works. It is then, you realise it is probably one of the best OSs around.

That doesn't mean it doesn't need improvements though. Some things are questionable but they should be cleaned up in Windows 8.1.

Better than 7? We used it in our studio, but reverted back to 7. It's not the UI that we didn't like, but how much they took away from power users/studio environments.
 
I don't have much experience with Windows 8 other than setting up a laptop for my wife's niece in Brasil. I found it quite different at the beginning, but after a few days of playing with it, I think that it still did the same things basically the same way. Instead of clicking start on the desktop and having a list of programs come up, the Metro screen comes up and give access to the same programs. Different yes, harder, not really. I also counter clicks to do a few common tasks and found them to be the same as in prior versions of Windows. Again, I am not claiming to have extensive experience, but I did play around with it for several hours over the course of a few days as I had to set it up Portuguese and download several programs in Portuguese, language pack for Office 2013 and get her set up with the Brazilian version of Google search, etc.

The laptop we bought her was a touch screen and she loves it. Never saw Windows 8 before and she was using it like a pro in no time. I can see how the swipe in left, right, etc are more natural to use on a touch screen.

You pretty much nailed it in one. Like I said before, there are problems with Windows 8, but for the most part it performs exactly like Windows 7 did. The difference is that it looks different. And if there's one thing that's definitely true of everyone from tech geeks to grandmas alike, is that they're a conservative bunch of people who don't like change.

There's a lot of knee jerking and very little thinking going on with stuff these days. It's like having an iOS like springboard in Mountain Lion. You hear people all the time going on and on about how IT IS A TOUCHSCREEN INTERFACE CUZ IT'S ON IPAD AND DOESN'T WORK WITH A DESKTOP HURRRR (imagine someone saying this with a flappy head, like the Canadians on South Park). Err..why? If you ask me, it's a great way to organize a whole bunch of apps. You've still got the dock to put all your most used programs on. If you've got a bunch of apps you like having around, but only use occasionally, just keep them in there. Even group a bunch of like ones together in a folder. Just because it first appeared on a touchscreen device doesn't mean it automatically sucks with a mouse. It's all clicking icons in the end.

Windows 8 is the exact same thing. The Start menu was a way to organize a bunch of applications, do searches, and have handy links to your PC settings. The new Start screen does the same thing, but bigger. Functionally, it's exactly the same. I can understand people having issues with the aesthetics (everything's a big tile, and it covers the desktop entirely instead of one small corner), but it works the same in practice.

There are some issues, of course. Like Metro apps being a second class of programs that run alongside desktop apps (confusing), the UI being a little too minimalist for it's own good at times, and search not having an "all" category, but it's not an unusable mess. At all.

It does needs tweaking, but that should come as no surprise to anyone. It always takes MS at least two tries to get something right.
 
The thing is, Microsoft don't mention the Desktop going away any time soon, so why should Apple build an iTunes app that _HAS_ to run full-screen just for the benefit of a live tile?

Until Metro apps can run windowed on the desktop, I don't think there's any point in making a new app for Windows 8.

I have a surface RT, and aside from gaming (which no portable machine can do properly, IMO) it does everything I could ask of it, except iTunes.
 
So many Windows 8 haters out there. In all honestly you just need to get used to it. The only thing I dislike about it is the fact that you HAVE to update things, with no delaying it.

We're no longer in the 90's or 80's where we had to suck it up and give in to Microsoft because that was the popular platform to write programs for. Apple products have a reputation for easy of use. That is how it should be and if people don't get windows 8 then Microsoft might have messed up. Seems that way if the rumors are true and they're bringing back the start button.
 
People actually use Windows 8?

As a programmer I use both Windows 8 and Windows 7. I actually use Windows 8 almost always. IMO Windows 8 gets too much negative feedback because it changed. The Modern UI isn't meant for a desktop computer, but the changes to the desktop mode of Windows 8 is very nice and I do welcome them.
 
No big loss there. I've been using W8 since beta and I honestly feel it's a complete joke for use on the desktop. I though the 'start' screen was cool enough at first, but gradually found no use for it. And the way it constantly tried to force you into a MS Live sign in, just pissed me off.

And since I've been using Start 8, I never see it. I do like the rest of the updated UI though. The transparent GUI was getting old.
 
People actually use Windows 8?

Yep, and as a Mac user, I must admit I do like it as a refreshing change from stale Windows. People hate it purely cos it's "change".

If it's embraced and used "as intended", (rather than attempting to bolt in the traditional "start menu") it's a pleasure to use.
 
It's funny how everyone defends the Metro interface by saying that it's not meant for a desktop computer. Which is fine, except that Windows 8 is a desktop OS, and is meant to run on desktop computers. Microsoft offers no official alternative for desktop computers.
 
We're no longer in the 90's or 80's where we had to suck it up and give in to Microsoft because that was the popular platform to write programs for. Apple products have a reputation for easy of use. That is how it should be and if people don't get windows 8 then Microsoft might have messed up. Seems that way if the rumors are true and they're bringing back the start button.

I think they 'll just bring back the start button on the metro ui as a shortcut, and where it was in the desktop, but it won't have the start menu. It will be just a button to switch between the two paradigms. That's what I am hearing at least, which is stupid imho. But it's a slippery slope, cause it they brought back full start button functionality, for searches and all, a lot of people would simple completely do away with the metro ui, and never visit it again...

Anyway, there are quite a few third party apps that mimic the start button with the menu that do the job just fine it seems.
 
It's funny how everyone defends the Metro interface by saying that it's not meant for a desktop computer. Which is fine, except that Windows 8 is a desktop OS, and is meant to run on desktop computers. Microsoft offers no official alternative for desktop computers.

Click the tile that says "desktop" and... you have an interface meant for desktops. I know, it's incredibly complicated.

:rolleyes:
 
It's not the UI that we didn't like, but how much they took away from power users/studio environments.

Out of curiosity, what exactly have they taken away for you? I haven't noticed anything missing from the desktop interface other than the Start Menu (which is obviously replaced with the Start Screen).

I can understand if the issue is due to workflow as Windows 8 changes a lot of things, but I haven't noticed a reduction of features. If anything, I find the desktop interface now more focused for pro users with its emphasis on keyboard shortcuts and the added stuff such as the improved task manager.

Or am I totally missing your point here? :)
 
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