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Microsoft and Adobe Executives Meet to Discuss Apple, Possible Merger

aristotle said:
What that tells me is that you are a bad designer and nobody should hire you ever. Why? Because you rely on your tools too heavily. A real designer should be able to use even Gimp for crying out loud and create good work. All of the basic tools are there.

Pixelmator has been making progress in leaps and bounds and I don't doubt that either Apple or a third party like the Pixelmator guys would step up and fill the void. I don't see this being a likely scenario but I have to laugh that you would instantly jump when your existing versions should continue to work for some time and you should not be relying on any single tool that much.
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Yeah Mr. Amateur artist. And how are you going to prepare the CMYK files of your masterpiece for prepress with the correct color profiles as requested by your print house or publisher?

All these pretty RGB toys become utterly useless, the minute you leave the RGB color spectrum and enter the real world of CMYK and professional printing!

As a professional graphic designer I can assure you:Without help from Adobe technology NO Pixelmator art will ever get published in print!
 
cheesymogul said:
As a professional graphic designer I can assure you:Without help from Adobe technology NO Pixelmator art will ever get published in print!
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Exactly! Or the simple fact you are working with Agency X and they have an InDesign file they need you to modify and update. Can you use Pixelmator or Gimp to open it and create a new file?

Or the printer wants your press ready design in CMYK separations, or you're collaborating with another designer who hands off a PSD layered file to you to use or one of a thousand other examples of why Adobe's software is the industry standard and no one else has been able to make a dent.

Like it or not there is more to 'design' than Photoshop clones.
 
cheesymogul said:
Yeah Mr. Amateur artist. And how are you going to prepare the CMYK files of your masterpiece for prepress with the correct color profiles as requested by your print house or publisher?

All these pretty RGB toys become utterly useless, the minute you leave the RGB color spectrum and enter the real world of CMYK and professional printing!

As a professional graphic designer I can assure you:Without help from Adobe technology NO Pixelmator art will ever get published in print!
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I think you completely missed my point entirely. My point was that people hire a designer for their skill in commercial art, not their photoshop skills. A client is only interested in the end result and does not or should not care how you achieved it. A commercial artist should be able to use almost any graphical tool to create decent results or even a pencil and paper for that matter. If Photoshop was the only tool on the market for OS X that supported CMYK colour profiles then you would have a point that if Adobe discontinued photoshop, the platform would be at a disadvantage. However, the existing versions would "CONTINUE TO WORK" until a breaking change in OS X was introduced which broke it. There are also alternatives to PS that do support CMYK.

You might not be aware but there are built in tools in the Utilities folder of every OS X contains a tool for previewing and adjusting a file to a specific CMYK profile.

Finally, print is dying. Look at the iPad and the web. Digital media is replacing printed newspapers and magazines.
 
evilcat said:
When your printer moves to CS6, they will be able to open files from CS5 and 6 only. If you are still on CS4, it's time to upgrade. When I get sent a logo in an AI file from a designer for use on a website, my copy of CS3 may not open it if it's from CS5, and they can only save down to CS4. At that point, it's time to upgrade. Equally, if I need a new Mac but Snow Leopard won't run FW CS3, I need to get CS5.
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Incorrect on a couple of counts. First, the latest version of InDesign, Photoshop and Illustrator will open files from any previous version. Second, Illustrator (unlike InDesign) will save down or export right down to Illustrator 3, a release that's 20 years old.

A couple of other items to touch on: CMYK support is essential, but Pantone/Trumatch/Focoltone support is crucial. Pixelmator's price will shoot up if it has to license colour libraries. And for those who think print is dying, solely based on periodical/newpapers trends, they're mistaken. eBooks currently are worth about 10% of the market, corporate design loves print and so do marketing and promotions... and what's more, unless everything you buy comes loose in a brown paper bag, packaging will be with us for a very long time.

Final point: Those who think that you can be hired without Creative Suite skills these days, you're mistaken. Sure I could pen and ink something up, bust out the gouache, get it ready for the camera... but unless you're specifically in illustration, you won't be working with many others, let alone turning work around at even 1/4 of the speed. Besides, very few people set type in photo or metal anymore, unless it's for small high-end jobs...

Quark will leave the desktop, I'm sure of it, to concentrate on large-scale publishing systems. So all in all, Adobe have the market cornered. I have no idea what Microsoft are doing talking with them, but you won't find me dissing either of them: Adobe make the tools that put food on my table, Microsoft have done some excellent work with typography.
 
smali said:
Looks like all the rabid apple fanboys had a field day with this one...

Reading through some of the posts on here by "fellow" mac users makes me kind of ashamed of being an apple fan...
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Pathetic isn't it? They actually get angry with other Ballmer and Co 'cos they work for rival companies.
 
Idiot, really?

chugg said:
What's the point of this?

If MS and Adobe wanted Apple dead/dying, they should just discontinue Office and CS products for Mac. Only idiots use Apple iWork anyways.
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This idiot can save as epub; you need InDesign,
This idiot can look at multiple sheets on the same tab; you're stuck with Excel!
This idiot has been collaborating online with reviewers for way longer than you, if Office 2010 really let you do that now,
And this idiot has paid way less than you...
:p
 
ThierryL said:
This idiot can save as epub; you need InDesign,
This idiot can look at multiple sheets on the same tab; you're stuck with Excel!
This idiot has been collaborating online with reviewers for way longer than you, if Office 2010 really let you do that now,
And this idiot has paid way less than you...
:p
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This idiot doesn't need publisher to do page layout.
 
chugg said:
What's the point of this?

If MS and Adobe wanted Apple dead/dying, they should just discontinue Office and CS products for Mac. Only idiots use Apple iWork anyways.
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A large percentage of CS sales are for the mac version, am I wrong?
 
Too much speculation to be real

I'd rather see Apple buy them both and that's NOT going to happen.

Let's face it, Microsoft has no idea how to organize application menus. Could you imagine a Microsoft Office that includes Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator...?

Why would Adobe be trying to create a tablet device? More likely: Adobe is not happy that Flash is barred from the most popular tablet on the planet (read: lame, outdated code). So it wants to partner with MS to combine junk code with incredible marketing to see Flash perform better than abominably on future crappy Windows tablets.
 
Suit Up Apple!

Hey Steve...Suit Up!

1. Expand your PRO Software Suite NOW!
2. Redesign/update MacPRO Tower NOW!
3. Release a new Mac SOHO computer NOW!

Mac SOHO = 1/2 MacPRO Tower = Aluminum "NeXT" Box for Small Office / Home Office Users that is a "Nano" version of your PRO Tower.

Aluminum Mac OSX Box "ala Drobo" with removable hot swappable drives & upgradable DRAM + Graphic Card. Just HALF of capacity / expandability of MacPRO Tower & use MacPRO base model Intel chip configuration only. INCLUDES iWork + iWeb.

This gets people into the Mac PRO Market, for less money than full MacPRO Tower & fits TODAY's SOHO Pros!

DO THIS TODAY & take charge of the PRO-BIZ Market with Macs.

Go Steve! Go Steve! Go Steve!:apple:
 
kab695 said:
More like
Photoshop CS6 2012 Professional Edition
Photoshop CS6 2012 Home Edition
Photoshop CS6 2012 Multi-media Edition
Photoshop CS6 2012 Student Edition
Photoshop CS6 2012 Toddler Edition
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+1 Great post!
 
Oh God no....if Microsoft and Adobe join that's it for us Mac users for Photoshop and the like,can't you see it? Microsoft would make all media products Windows only to spit in our faces....Apple buy Adobe before it's too late.
 
ThierryL said:
This idiot can save as epub; you need InDesign,
This idiot can look at multiple sheets on the same tab; you're stuck with Excel!
This idiot has been collaborating online with reviewers for way longer than you, if Office 2010 really let you do that now,
And this idiot has paid way less than you...
:p
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+1
This idiot uses iWork 09 Pages to do homework and they open fine on the teachers Office 2010. :p
 
Blue Velvet said:
Final point: Those who think that you can be hired without Creative Suite skills these days, you're mistaken.
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This sounds about right, and on the odd occasion where we have had to employ / contract designers from time-to-time Adobe tools are always what they use and ask for or bring with them.

In fact one of the ad hoc observations I have made is that whenever there is a thread or news article claiming GIMP (or other cheap / free tool) is a Photoshop replacement or killer, all the designers seem very quick to rally round and point out how it might be great tool for geeks and hobbyists, the interface is unusable and only Photoshop can really handle professional work...

But suddenly all the 'professionals' seem to be coming out of the wood-work and pointing out how they could move over in an instant. :rolleyes:

If you were hiring someone, would you a check a CV for design skills and tools ... or operating systems? Somehow, I think not the latter, and it wouldn't hold them in good stead if they started making a fuss about it.
 
Most of these comments are ridiculous

I never feel the need to post on this website as my opinions are usually covered by other users but in recent months I find this community full of immaturity and people talking about industries that they don't have the slightest clue about. It is just degrading this sites reputation and making me look elsewhere for current industry 'news'.

If you have never studied a creative course or professionally produced (been paid for) any creative work why the hell are you arguing a point on this article. Same goes with flash, if you have never used flash or HTML5 please don't go writing rubbish you have made up in your head on those articles.
 
roach said:
Don't know about CS Suite, but Photoshop number in PC is huge. I worked for several game companies that somewhere between 2K and 500 employees. I figure 1/3 of them are artists that require Photoshop.
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They don't count pirated copies. ;)
 
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