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And if the idea was to stop supporting Adobe CS on the Mac (which I don't believe at all), I'm sure Apple will manage to develop a truly competing product on their own in no time.

This is said repeatedly on this forum when the subject come up, as if Apple only needs to flip a switch to produce a something that is better than Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Fireworks, etc. It is not like that, if it were so easy there would be a plethora of alternatives on the market. Look at people like Corel and Quark who have been making their products for decades and both have given way to Adobe's own offerings, specially Quark which was the dominant product. Adobe has been working on their products for decades, there is a lot of experience on that which isn't improvised with the mere thought of "let's build a Photoshop killer".
 
They are both so unbelievably stupid aren't they?

Let. Flash. Go.

It sucks, there is nothing to be redeemed here.

So to all the uneducated fanboys on here who clearly cry foul at the mear mention of another company that isn't Apple.

Microsoft don't innovate?

What about Surface? what about Secondlight? what about prototypes like the courier? what about the extra work they put into Project Natal (Kinect).
.

What about the insanely expensive Surface that no one has or uses anywhere? Worthless.

WTF is Secondlight? Obviously not that important.

Natal? Yea let's put biometric scanners attached to the internet, controlled by Microsoft, into our home....we're not the stupidest most naive generation ever to exist are?

Perhaps Nazi germany was slightly more naive. (maybe not)
 
Fixed that for you...

You don't get outside of the North American continent that often, do you?

Wake me up when 3G coverage in your world meets European or SE-Asian standards...and don't be mad, while we use our newest shiny LTE-handsets by then...

Ah, so your one of those connection and feature spec sheet guys.

Nothing to see here, move on.
 
What a disaster for the Publishing industry if this happens!!!!!

This would be the death of them both. As an X-Aldus/Adobe employee... I'd hate to see this happen - Microsoft knows nothing about the publishing industry and I'm sure would have things screwed up in no time. But Adobe is not the same company it was in the late 80's and early 90's either.

Scary.
 
So it'll be idiot and creativity proof? I kid, I kid. But seriously, it would be much better for professionals if there were multiple options and companies competing on mac, and not just Logic or FCP. Some people's workflow works better in Cubase or Live, you know?

Oh yeah, I know... I was using Steinberg's products since Pro24 (even before Cubase V1.0, and I personally know Charlie in person)... so if you know what it means, you know I know what I'm talking about :)

Now, after long time (20+ years) with Cubase and lately with Reaper, Live, Sonar, etc... I'm now staying with Logic for creation and ProTools for tracking and mixing. But that's "MY" workflow... and only mine. Is it the best? No... it's what's working fine for me.

I do agree the more competition will be, the better it will be for consumers, to find what they like better and use what they want to use.

I personally never liked the Adobe workflow... and if Apple does release a Graphic Suite for idiots that works easier and better for me... OK! I actually don't care much to be an "idiot", as long I can be creative and have my work done.

The only thing that matters in the end, is the result... not the tools :)
 
They are both so unbelievably stupid aren't they?

What about the insanely expensive Surface that no one has or uses anywhere? Worthless.

WTF is Secondlight? Obviously not that important.

Natal? Yea let's put biometric scanners attached to the internet, controlled by Microsoft, into our home....we're not the stupidest most naive generation ever to exist are?

Perhaps Nazi germany was slightly more naive. (maybe not)

" Surface that no one has or uses anywhere? Worthless."
You do appreciate that new and groundbreaking technologies tend to be a tad more expensive than current technologies don't you?

Or maybe you have difficulty actually spending a second to consider the incredible things the technology could do? Shame you can't appreciate what is an amazing idea just because of a dislike of anything with a MS logo on it.
 
Many here sure seem to take this news personally. If it were to happen, I doubt there would be much, if any changes to Adobe's major products, with the exception to Flash. That would most likely be killed off.

EDIT: Also ColdFusion. I'm sure Microsoft wants everyone to migrate off of that in favor of .NET.
 
Ah, so your one of those connection and feature spec sheet guys.

Nothing to see here, move on.

NOPE...I'm someone actually reflecting the usage of the gadget he owns. Just FYI I still own a simple UMTS-capable mobile that can do NOTHING ELSE but phone and messaging as an emergency phone for my worthy customers. It may have a media player but it even doesn't feature a camera. But it's really worth it - being on standby for several days and lasting some hours of phone usage - and that's what a phone is for.

On the other hand the toy in my household being my Samsung Galaxy has to stop by the power chord nearly every 24 hours - same as my wife's toy iPhone 3GS. And it doesn't matter how much you use it, since Apple and Google decided to use you WiFi without your interaction to build location based services.

And as you basically seem to have no ***** clue about LTE and it's rapid development you maybe should educate yourself. LTE is live now, and any Telco with a little intelligence invests in it.

To open your mind just this short info: Telekom and Vodafone are currently building up working (!!!) LTE networks in the so-called white-spots of broadband internet in rural regions in Germany. They will get a buttload of customers that way as even DSL is not an option in these regions. Guess how fast these networks will develop...
 
Brilliant. They will do nothing but tarnish the Abobe brand and secure a brighter future for Apple & Google.
 
A good Artist doesent Care about operating Systems, how Long they work, by the Way Windows 7 Works pretty well, they just doing their Job with the tools they Need. A professionell doesent use pixelmator. They use Photoshop.

False. An artist most DEFINITELY cares about the tools of his/her trade. You are naive to think otherwise.
 
Rather than Apple buying Adobe, they could directly compete against it.

Apple should buy Quark, and sell it cheap, maybe part of iLife, and even have a free schools version.

Then they should have a iPhoto Pro, a beefed up version to seriously compete with Photoshop, but at half the Price.

The same with the rest of CS5, bring out better, cheaper Apple alternatives Apple have a huge war chest. They could see off Adobe at a fraction of the cost of buying it.
 
Unbelievable!

As a graphic artist, I am at a loss to imagine how I will be forced to use Adobe's products made by Microsoft. Crashing, crappy interface design, etc. Hell they'd probably go so far as to pull the Mac versions.

/wrists

:mad:
 
This is said repeatedly on this forum when the subject come up, as if Apple only needs to flip a switch to produce a something that is better than Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Fireworks, etc. It is not like that, if it were so easy there would be a plethora of alternatives on the market. Look at people like Corel and Quark who have been making their products for decades and both have given way to Adobe's own offerings, specially Quark which was the dominant product. Adobe has been working on their products for decades, there is a lot of experience on that which isn't improvised with the mere thought of "let's build a Photoshop killer".

Re: Quark -> InDesign, here's my experience. In '04 we upgraded the studio I worked at, and went all OS X (Panther, at the time). Like many agencies, we upgraded all our software, so moved from Quark 4 to 6 and bumped all machines to Adobe CS1.

Quark 6 was a mess. We paid a small fortune for it (because it was OS X compatible) and it didn't work correctly. Especially bad was the point where it wouldn't save files. Their helpdesk in Europe was rude and unhelpful. Eventually they told us to downgrade from 6.1 to 6.0 and sent us a CD with the software on it... only they sent us yet another copy of 6.1.

InDesign was mature enough to try, and didn't cost anything since it was included in CS. We had taken advantage of the upgrade offer and upgraded from any version of Photoshop to the entire CS suite for the same price... even an old PS 2.5 on floppy disk. We had nothing to lose.

About a month later, everyone was fine in InDesign. Many had used PageMaker years before and adapted quickly. A couple of hardcore Quark users struggled because they were used to using mainly keyboard shortcuts and didn't really want to use new software, but even they, 6 months later, had settled down.

To answer your point about 'just make a Photoshop clone', well it's possible.

Consider this: Apple buy Pixelmator. Apple throw extra resources at it and add the things PS users need (like, say, CMYK support). They spend the next 5 years developing the software, getting it up to scratch. Perhaps they integrate the good bits from Fireworks, too. Once it's suitable for 70% of the main Photoshop uses and 50% of what Fireworks does, they offer it dirt-cheap as an upgrade, say $30 for any PS, FW or CS suite user. Who wouldn't give it a chance? And it's only what Adobe did to make InDesign dominant.

In terms of replacing the CS (design) suite entirely, Apple need only produce a PS clone, an Illustrator clone and an InDesign clone. I'm sure they could afford to buy Quark (or produce their own page layout software). OS X already outputs PDFs so Acrobat need not be replaced. They have no need for Flash and can ignore it. There are many Dreamweaver replacements out there already. Why even build one when people can buy Coda (or whatever) for so little?

A final point: If MS bought Adobe, unlikely as it is, and stopped producing CS for the Mac... so what? In my experience, the last must-have upgrade for Creative Suite was CS2. There are no new features that the average digital studio needs in CS3, 4 or 5 that make it worth spending $700 per seat to upgrade.

The main reason any digital agency I know of has upgraded for is compatibility. When your printer moves to CS6, they will be able to open files from CS5 and 6 only. If you are still on CS4, it's time to upgrade. When I get sent a logo in an AI file from a designer for use on a website, my copy of CS3 may not open it if it's from CS5, and they can only save down to CS4. At that point, it's time to upgrade. Equally, if I need a new Mac but Snow Leopard won't run FW CS3, I need to get CS5.

If CS went PC-only, wouldn't that mean all Mac using creative types would just stick with the final version of CS available to them until something better came along? Unless enough of their clients and suppliers used PCs and the latest version of CS, how would they be affected? Hell, make CS6 the final Mac version. So long as Apple can keep their OS running it, no-one would care.

Looking at what small teams gave been able to create for the Mac (Coda and Pixelmator being good examples) in the last few years, I can only imagine what would happen if they were bought by Apple and allowed to double their resources.

Quark thought they were untouchable, especially since they were so entrenched in the the publishing industry, but it only took 5 years for they to lose their position.
 
Shantanu Narayen, you freaking idiot! WTF. Can you imagine the Mac version of a MicroSoft led Creative Suite. Narayen, you may just kill Graphic Design, congratulations.
 
Shantanu Narayen, you freaking idiot! WTF. Can you imagine the Mac version of a MicroSoft led Creative Suite. Narayen, you may just kill Graphic Design, congratulations.

Graphic Design? Are you serious? What has the profession to do with any software? Are you really so dependent?
 
Re: Quark -> InDesign, here's my experience. In '04 we upgraded the studio I worked at, and went all OS X (Panther, at the time). Like many agencies, we upgraded all our software, so moved from Quark 4 to 6 and bumped all machines to Adobe CS1.

Quark 6 was a mess. We paid a small fortune for it (because it was OS X compatible) and it didn't work correctly. Especially bad was the point where it wouldn't save files. Their helpdesk in Europe was rude and unhelpful. Eventually they told us to downgrade from 6.1 to 6.0 and sent us a CD with the software on it... only they sent us yet another copy of 6.1.

InDesign was mature enough to try, and didn't cost anything since it was included in CS. We had taken advantage of the upgrade offer and upgraded from any version of Photoshop to the entire CS suite for the same price... even an old PS 2.5 on floppy disk. We had nothing to lose.

About a month later, everyone was fine in InDesign. Many had used PageMaker years before and adapted quickly. A couple of hardcore Quark users struggled because they were used to using mainly keyboard shortcuts and didn't really want to use new software, but even they, 6 months later, had settled down.

To answer your point about 'just make a Photoshop clone', well it's possible.

Consider this: Apple buy Pixelmator. Apple throw extra resources at it and add the things PS users need (like, say, CMYK support). They spend the next 5 years developing the software, getting it up to scratch. Perhaps they integrate the good bits from Fireworks, too. Once it's suitable for 70% of the main Photoshop uses and 50% of what Fireworks does, they offer it dirt-cheap as an upgrade, say $30 for any PS, FW or CS suite user. Who wouldn't give it a chance? And it's only what Adobe did to make InDesign dominant.

In terms of replacing the CS (design) suite entirely, Apple need only produce a PS clone, an Illustrator clone and an InDesign clone. I'm sure they could afford to buy Quark (or produce their own page layout software). OS X already outputs PDFs so Acrobat need not be replaced. They have no need for Flash and can ignore it. There are many Dreamweaver replacements out there already. Why even build one when people can buy Coda (or whatever) for so little?

A final point: If MS bought Adobe, unlikely as it is, and stopped producing CS for the Mac... so what? In my experience, the last must-have upgrade for Creative Suite was CS2. There are no new features that the average digital studio needs in CS3, 4 or 5 that make it worth spending $700 per seat to upgrade.

The main reason any digital agency I know of has upgraded for is compatibility. When your printer moves to CS6, they will be able to open files from CS5 and 6 only. If you are still on CS4, it's time to upgrade. When I get sent a logo in an AI file from a designer for use on a website, my copy of CS3 may not open it if it's from CS5, and they can only save down to CS4. At that point, it's time to upgrade. Equally, if I need a new Mac but Snow Leopard won't run FW CS3, I need to get CS5.

If CS went PC-only, wouldn't that mean all Mac using creative types would just stick with the final version of CS available to them until something better came along? Unless enough of their clients and suppliers used PCs and the latest version of CS, how would they be affected? Hell, make CS6 the final Mac version. So long as Apple can keep their OS running it, no-one would care.

Looking at what small teams gave been able to create for the Mac (Coda and Pixelmator being good examples) in the last few years, I can only imagine what would happen if they were bought by Apple and allowed to double their resources.

Quark thought they were untouchable, especially since they were so entrenched in the the publishing industry, but it only took 5 years for they to lose their position.

InDesign CS was not the first version of InDesign. That was already at version 3 of the software by that point. Version 1 was an absolute dog
 
Non-issue. Apple is becoming a consumer electronics company and Microsoft isn't going to pull the plug on a revenue stream that is profitable. Worst they'll do is charge 20% more for the Mac version and watch everybody pony up for it.
 
InDesign CS was not the first version of InDesign. That was already at version 3 of the software by that point. Version 1 was an absolute dog

...which is why I said Apple / whoever should spend five years maturing something like Pixelmator before offering it dirt cheap. That's exactly what Abobe did with InDesign, and when Quark screwed up there was a reasonably mature piece of software already sitting in people's CS box.
 
A good Artist doesent Care about operating Systems, how Long they work, by the Way Windows 7 Works pretty well, they just doing their Job with the tools they Need. A professionell doesent use pixelmator. They use Photoshop.

Wrong. A "good artist" uses tools to get the job done with the least amount of money required to do so. Photoshop has name branding and most of it's tools are are much more than the creative professional even needs and it has extremely high learning curve and extremely expensive.

I don't give a rats ass if Windows 7 works "pretty well", nothing has changed in terms of Registry issues and constant maintenance and extracting files and adding/removing programs which leads to a slow experience which is such a pain for the end user, if you want to install your own clean copy of Windows you'll need to download this driver and that driver, so people can go on talk about how great the Snap feature is, it's still Windows in the end with a prettier face.

And BTW, just by your post I can tell you really haven't "used" Pixelmator, it's much better than you think, the price is extremely good for what it offers.
 
Wrong. A "good artist" uses tools to get the job done with the least amount of money required to do so. Photoshop has name branding and most of it's tools are are much more than the creative professional even needs and it has extremely high learning curve and extremely expensive.

I don't give a rats ass if Windows 7 works "pretty well", nothing has changed in terms of Registry issues and constant maintenance and extracting files and adding/removing programs which leads to a slow experience which is such a pain for the end user, if you want to install your own clean copy of Windows you'll need to download this driver and that driver, so people can go on talk about how great the Snap feature is, it's still Windows in the end with a prettier face.

And BTW, just by your post I can tell you really haven't "used" Pixelmator, it's much better than you think, the price is extremely good for what it offers.

This sums up how I feel to the T. I like Pixelmator and find myself using Photoshop less and less the better Pixelmator gets. I'm hoping Gimp 2.8 turns up the heat on PS but I'm not holding my breath.
 
Looks like all the rabid apple fanboys had a field day with this one...

Reading through some of the posts on here by "fellow" mac users makes me kind of ashamed of being an apple fan...

i just threw up in my mouth a little

Yeah this thread can certainly do that to you...
 
This is said repeatedly on this forum when the subject come up, as if Apple only needs to flip a switch to produce a something that is better than Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Fireworks, etc. It is not like that, if it were so easy there would be a plethora of alternatives on the market. Look at people like Corel and Quark who have been making their products for decades and both have given way to Adobe's own offerings, specially Quark which was the dominant product. Adobe has been working on their products for decades, there is a lot of experience on that which isn't improvised with the mere thought of "let's build a Photoshop killer".

The fact of the matter is that it's not in Apple's policy to offer software that is a full-fledged competitor to an established software already operational on Mac OS X.
But if said software would stop being supported on the Mac platform, that would be a totally different story. The "Photoshop killer" is not something that needs to be invented from scratch. It's already out there in the form of GIMP which is open source. What GIMP lacks is a handful of functionality that shouldn't be hard to implement for a software giant as Apple and an UI that looks and feel more "pro", here again nothing that should really be uber-challenging for the company that has developed Mac OS and iOS.
Then again, I believe the whole argument is moot as far as, unless the Adobe guys are absolute morons, they're not going to abandon their Mac CS user base.
 
Graphic Design? Are you serious? What has the profession to do with any software? Are you really so dependent?

Yes? Do want to create website graphics/content without a computer? Do you want to make magazine spreads without Indesign? Care to go back to doing post production/animation without After Effects? Of course we are dependent on Adobe's software for most of our work.

Naturally hand-drawn elements and hand-crafted items are still readily used but not for the majority of our work.
 
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