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Do you mount 12 inch cintiqs to your desk? We don't. We do for the bigger ones (24 and 21), but not the twelve.

Actually, I use the big 9x5" Wacom Bamboo Create. Yup. I'm low-brow. :p


No, that's a desktop!

I should've said flat surface. Cuz lets face it, only a straight up masochist would walk around with a Macbook Pro cradled in their arms, pecking at the keyboard and touchpad with a single finger.

...not that I'm judging anyone who does that. Well okay, maybe I am. Why the hell would you do that to yourself?

But you can do that with a tablet, which is kind of my point. The size, weight, and form factor means it's almost expected of a tablet PC, which is why I think battery life is such an important factor for them. You're going to be using it in the car, out in an open field taking pictures somewhere, in bed reading a book, or, if it comes down to it, on a flat surface typing up a report. Having a short battery life kills the utility it would otherwise be providing.

See, I think our disagreement comes from a difference in perspective. It seems you see a tablet as a self contained Cintiq, something you can draw on without having it attached to a desktop or laptop. You're going to be using it around the office more often than not, so having it hooked up to the AC while you're sitting in a chair isn't that much of a dealbreaker for you.

(though imagine how much better it'd be if you could use it for 5 hours straight without having any wires running to it. Awww ddaaammmm).

Me? I see them as a light computer you stab at with your fingers and a stylus. Being able to draw and model on them is only one of the many things I expect to do with it. If I have to charge it more than once a day, or keep it on a cord, it isn't a good tablet to me. The screen's too small to use as a laptop on a desk, so...yeah. I'd just rather forego it completely and get a laptop while waiting for battery tech to get to the point where I can do what I want with one.

So neither one of us are really wrong here. If it works for you, then it works for you. Thing is, the current batch of x86 tablets don't work for me yet. They're close, but I want one with decent battery life before I take the powerful tablet plunge.

And for the sake of saying it, and to feed into this whole victim complex thing that's going on in this thread, the iPad is in a similar situation, just from the opposite direction. It's got the battery life, but not the power.
 
Oh I see its ok for you to speak your piece but if I speak mine I'm "muddying up the thread".

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And your not part of the derailment?

Exactly right. I'm keeping my end of the discussion about the tablets, You're so damn butthurt that Apple might have some competition that you're bringing in other threads. If you can't see the difference, you have more pressing personal issues to deal with besides this thread.

Consider creating your own forum and banning anyone that doesn't worship the God of Gods that is Apple, Inc. That way you can just give one another virtual reach arounds all day, every day and pretend nothing else exists.
 
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Exactly right. I'm keeping my end of the discussion about the tablets, You're so damn butthurt that Apple might have some competition that you're bringing in other threads. If you can't see the difference, you have more pressing personal issues to deal with besides this thread.

Consider creating your own forum and banning anyone that doesn't worship the God of Gods that is Apple, Inc. That way you can just give one another virtual reach arounds all day, every day and pretend nothing else exists.

Grow up please, then start speaking. You talk about me derailing the thread and you go off making a million wild assumptions about me.

As for "butthurt"? Hardly. Didn't you read? I make a living supporting Windows environments. I am 100% happy Windows exists, its how I pay my bills.
 
Grow up please, then start speaking. You talk about me derailing the thread and you go off making a million wild assumptions about me.

As for "butthurt"? Hardly. Didn't you read? I make a living supporting Windows environments. I am 100% happy Windows exists, its how I pay my bills.

Yeah, I also read about your dissatisfaction that macrumors doesn't have a clause in it that states you swear a blind allegiance to Apple and all of its products.

You may be happy Windows exists because that's how you make your living, you're clearly not happy that any members of this forum may defend a MS product.

Thats yet another distinction I'm able to make that you are seemingly incapable of.
 
Thats yet another distinction I'm able to make that you are seemingly incapable of.

It seems that Paul Thurrott would be biased for Microsoft. He is a Microsoft Windows Zealot with a Microsoft blog and a weekly podcast - and still blasts the Surface. http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/surface-tablet-microsoft-takes-apple-mimics-google-143481


The devices that Microsoft showed off earlier this week weren’t real; they were simply prototypes. And anyone claiming to have gotten “hands-on” time with a Surface tablet was exaggerating, at best: No one was allowed to touch a working prototype, so those typing videos occurred on dead pieces of hardware without a working screen.

Microsoft talks up the cellular broadband capabilities in Windows 8 but never mentioned whether these devices will offer always-connected functionality. Will they include cellular broadband, if only as an option?

The list kind of goes on and on, and the more you think you want this device, the more you realize you know almost nothing about it.

The Surface tablet looks amazing, but until we know more about it—until it is actually real—I recommend scaling back the excitement a bit. There are just too many questions.



I think you need to get prepared for the letdown when this thing fails. Microsoft is at the same point that Apple was in the mid 90s - becoming irrelevant. Apple saved itself through the iPod - I think Microsoft's only chance is to follow the XBox lead.
 
It seems that Paul Thurrott would be biased for Microsoft. He is a Microsoft Windows Zealot with a Microsoft blog and a weekly podcast - and still blasts the Surface. http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/surface-tablet-microsoft-takes-apple-mimics-google-143481
Is that the right link 'cause I didn't see him blasting the Surface. Closing piece from the link:
The Surface tablet looks amazing, but until we know more about it—until it is actually real—I recommend scaling back the excitement a bit. There are just too many questions.

I saw him blasting MS for the short notice presser, not giving enough details and not letting the media really handle the product but I didn't get that he was blasting the product itself.


Lethal
 
It seems that Paul Thurrott would be biased for Microsoft. He is a Microsoft Windows Zealot with a Microsoft blog and a weekly podcast - and still blasts the Surface. http://www.winsupersite.com/article/paul-thurrotts-wininfo/surface-tablet-microsoft-takes-apple-mimics-google-143481








I think you need to get prepared for the letdown when this thing fails. Microsoft is at the same point that Apple was in the mid 90s - becoming irrelevant. Apple saved itself through the iPod - I think Microsoft's only chance is to follow the XBox lead.

And it may fail, we dont know. I'm not here claiming it's going to be a stunning success or a total disaster. I don't need to prepair myself for anything, but I do like seeing new products that have potential. Thats the benefit of being objective. I can possess an interest in non-Apple products instead of blasting everything without the Apple logo and getting upset that not everyone will.

Also, not to harp on your parade even further, but, Microsoft saved Apple.
 
Is that the right link 'cause I didn't see him blasting the Surface. Closing piece from the link:


I saw him blasting MS for the short notice presser, not giving enough details and not letting the media really handle the product but I didn't get that he was blasting the product itself.


Lethal
That is pretty much what I read from it too. The announcement was a surprise and the specification sheet is vague. We need to have a street date and price if you are going to announce something!
 
Apple - $29.99/year every year

Microsoft - $150 every 8-15 years (Windows 2001 (XP) is still supported)

Do the math....

You may want to do that math again yourself, Aiden. OSX is every 2 years. Windows is more like $180. And it is coming faster and faster. XP is the only one with a long solo run. They should really consider dropping prices for 8.

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Also, not to harp on your parade even further, but, Microsoft saved Apple.
Don't you get tired of posting this drivel?
 
History has an amazing way of repeating itself.

Apple will be forced to save Microsoft in the near future.

Anything is possible, but what's a certainty is you came up well short of whatever point you were trying to make in your previous post.

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You may want to do that math again yourself, Aiden. OSX is every 2 years. Windows is more like $180. And it is coming faster and faster. XP is the only one with a long solo run. They should really consider dropping prices for 8.

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Don't you get tired of posting this drivel?

No, but clearly you get tired of hearing the facts. I suggest you add me to your ignore list and you won't have to face reality, at least not when it comes from me.
 
That isn't a fact. It isn't even similar to reality. If I give you $10, have I saved you from bankruptcy?

Nope, but I'm not about to file for bankruptcy and it was a lot more than $10... Want to try again?
 
The iPad lacks power, big time. Its quick for a tablet, but its no match for an i5.

An i5 tablet with a full OS, i5 processor, detachable keyboard, and hopefully a decent amount of ram would really be something I could go for. Right now the ipad just doesn't have the power, or a capable OS.

There are people who are going to want this.

I'm not holding my breath for people "wanting" the actual product when it's out, with piss poor battery-life and a price tag of $1,000++
 
You may want to do that math again yourself, Aiden. OSX is every 2 years. Windows is more like $180. And it is coming faster and faster. XP is the only one with a long solo run. They should really consider dropping prices for 8.

Or, more like $110....

And XP is still supported - you're not forced to upgrade....

And don't forget the "Apple tax" for buying a system "designed in California and built by slave labor around the world". You really can't compare Microsoft license fees with Apple OSX prices without looking at the full picture.
 

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An Apple employee won't actually come to your house and hold a gun to your head, but...

If you want continued software support, you do have to upgrade every other release.

"Software support" does not have the same level significance in the OS X world v. the Windows world. Many people are still rocking PPC macs until now, with basically no safety issues. On the other hand not keeping Windows up to date with SP's is calling for trouble.
 
I hope the Surface is a good product and stiff competition for the iPad. I don't care about the companies, I care about me. And I like to have good choices in what I buy.
 
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