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The stats argue against you, but from what I've seen, I would agree. Nobody else I know uses an iPad to completely replace a PC besides one of my two living grandparents. I'm sticking with a 2006 MacBook that's been beaten halfway to death mostly just for computer science class.
Weird. Most of the people I know with a tablet use it without a computer. "Replace" may not be exactly right, many of these people never had a PC. But I think "instead of" counts as essentially the same thing. My sister dropped an old MBP and iMac for an iPad. (to be fair, it was probably a PB G4)

And they aren't all iPads.
 
Comments like these are retarded. There are more computers in the world running windows right now than all of the Apple devices ever made.

Blackberry didn't have it's operating system on 95% of computers worldwide.

That's 95% of almost 1.5 billion computers.

Microsoft aren't going anywhere. If anything there is room for rapid expansion into the hardware market and associated App Stores.

I'll be holding onto my Microsoft shares for at least the next 10 years.

And comments like these show what side of the fence you are on. You can use both products without showing bias. If you want to tout how much share of the world Microsoft dominates over Apple it's best done on a Microsoft forum. Why oh why do you guys come here? This is not MS rumors.
 
The Surface 2 is an improvement over the Surface RT, but Windows RT is still a question mark. Even being a good product, I guess the Surface 2 will flop due to Windows RT, which is failing to gain momentum.

As for the Surface Pro 2, it looks great. I guess it would be a great product. The biggest issue of the original Surface Pro - the battery life - seems to have been solved. The second version also brings some improvements over the original one.

There are still some issues to be solved. An LTE version would be fine, and a higher resolution (2560x1440 or beyond) would also be great. But overall, it looks better than ever.

Some will not like it, of course. Some will prefer the iPad. But each to its own, and Microsoft Surface looks a fine product.
 
What's with all this working!!?
You can do work on an iPad you need the camera kit but I can do
Everything I need with an iPad and some things u can't do with the surface
Or android rigs like pop it into a mackie mixer etc music type work.

I didn't think you could edit RAWs on the iPad yet. I know Adobe had plans on bringing Lightroom to the iPad, but I haven't heard anything about it since.

Though assuming it does come out, will it have the same capabilities as Lightroom, Aperture, and Aftershot Pro? Right now, I don't think the iPad has enough processing horsepower behind it to do it well (it definitely doesn't have the ram), but the Surface Pro does.
 
So an 'evolutionary' update rather than a 'revolutionary' update.

I predict 'FAIL'.

They needed a 'reboot', not a 'tweak'...

And Balmer will have his job how much longer? 4.... 3.... 2....

(I make that comment based on his announced retirement, and the joy and glee that 'the market' reacted to the news)
 
I'm a Mac person but a tech person too and the surface is good for what it is. I think it has more of a purpose than a iPad for me at least.
 
Comments like these are retarded. There are more computers in the world running windows right now than all of the Apple devices ever made.

Blackberry didn't have it's operating system on 95% of computers worldwide.

That's 95% of almost 1.5 billion computers.

Microsoft aren't going anywhere. If anything there is room for rapid expansion into the hardware market and associated App Stores.

I'll be holding onto my Microsoft shares for at least the next 10 years.

Looks like your money is where your mouth is. Personally, I think the stock is going to go down long-term and have never bet on success with the Surface, but these things aren't interesting without disagreement :)
 
Interesting, but the Surface 2 should have been full Windows. At that price, nobody wants a dumbed down Windows OS...

The Pro looks good.

agreed. i have the pro 1 and is amazing. my ipad is gathering dust! The new power keyboard will be good addition for me. i will buy it when its out. that bring the pro1 to work all day (10 hrs).
 
Meh

My roommates and i have a Surface RT in the house and a Windows 8 Samsung Tablet/Laptop hybrid but mainly just for testing because we're sys admins and got them for free. The Samsung Laplet is really nice but the Surface RT is useless. :confused: If there's no applications for RT then it's pointless. Developers need to get onboard or it isn't going anywhere. The Surface Pro will do fine if it can actually sell. The surface altogether is a nice device physically. In the end it's all still running Windows 8....which we all know....is just one big bag of hurt. :apple:
 
The problem with Microsoft is their prices. They still price things like they're a monopoly in the only computing game in town. But they're not. People have options, and they're not using their desktops as much anymore where Microsoft is strongest. If Microsoft priced their hardware to make everyone else's tablets look like terrible value, they might have a chance to gain market share, but at similar pricing models to Android and iOS, it'll never happen. They should practically be giving these away, and making their money on app stores or Microsoft software. They should also forget about Apple for a while and focus on the Android market, which I think is a lot more vulnerable. But that will take some very attractive new services.

To save their business, in general, they need to bring software prices down considerably. They can no longer claim hundreds of dollars of value for their software while LibreOffice and iWork are given away for free. For most people, those options are good enough, so why pay $400 bucks for Microsoft Office? When Microsoft had a virtual monopoly on operating systems and work software, they could set pricing however they wanted, but the world has changed and Microsoft didn't adapt.

I would really hate to see Microsoft go out of business, but they're really going to be on the decline unless they get rid of their upper management, and restructure their middle management to change the culture there. They have brilliant engineers, many of the best and brightest still flock to Microsoft every year. But their talent is squandered as long as Microsoft management doesn't have a clue.
 
nice but pricing increment over storage space is scam by both Apple & Microsoft

have to agree with you on that! storage is now a commodity. my guess is they want to sell their cloud offering. i have Skydrive and its really good.i think its the best out there compared to foogle and others.
 
The Surface 2 is an improvement over the Surface RT, but Windows RT is still a question mark. Even being a good product, I guess the Surface 2 will flop due to Windows RT, which is failing to gain momentum.

As for the Surface Pro 2, it looks great. I guess it would be a great product. The biggest issue of the original Surface Pro - the battery life - seems to have been solved. The second version also brings some improvements over the original one.

There are still some issues to be solved. An LTE version would be fine, and a higher resolution (2560x1440 or beyond) would also be great. But overall, it looks better than ever.

Some will not like it, of course. Some will prefer the iPad. But each to its own, and Microsoft Surface looks a fine product.

with microsoft h/w has always been reliable. its the lack of s/w that makes surface 2 less appealing. however surface pro is the best there is. i have 1.0 an i love it. my ipad is gathering dust....
 
I am quite interested in buying one of the Pro units to replace my iPad now that they have the battery life issues fixed.

While it is still not quite as high resolution, the screen is far less reflective than the iPad display.

It has a proper Wacom pen with palm rejection so it's actually useful for sketching and writing rather than finger painting. The image is right on the surface of the glass too, unlike the iPad.

I hate having to convert media to get it running properly on my iPad. With the Surface Pro being x86-based, anything will play on it - and with a 1080p screen it will be displayed at 100% and sharper than the scaled image on an iPad.

The hardware is really solidly built - possibly even better than anything Apple currently makes. They knew what they were up against and arguably over-engineered it.
I really wish Microsoft would start building other PC hardware so that someone is at least giving Apple some competition. There's nothing out there which competes with the MacBooks.


It's a shame that Microsoft has fallen into the trap of criticizing its competitors, rather than running ads which point out the unique features of their device.

The "dance" videos with the cover are reminiscent of the old iPod ads, but the problem is that the iPod was already established in the market and everyone knew what it was before they started airing ads like that.

Nobody wants a sort-of laptop that has no keyboard hinge. It's difficult to use on your lap.
It's a tablet that is more functional than competing tablets when you are at a desk because you have a built-in stand, and (optionally) a keyboard and trackpad.

It seems like they have also greatly improved its usability if you do try to use it on your lap with this revision - but still not as good as a laptop if you want to use the device that way. (though no tablet is)

a platform that shouldn't exist in the first place (Surface 2/Windows RT)
So, in your opinion, should iOS not exist either?

iOS seems like a good option now, because it's six years old and there are hundreds of thousands of apps.

Windows 8 has been out for ten months.

I'm still waiting for one in "Zune Brown"
While the original Zune was an ugly device, the final iteration was pretty nice:


The point is, Microsoft didn't successfully innovate here. They took a successful idea (the iPad) and tried to copy-cat it while using their own desktop OS, shoe-horned into something they thought more suitable for a touch-screen.
Yes, it's terrible how they've been copying the iPad since 2001.

whilist not built in, the smart cover does the same damn thing on the iPad.
The smart cover/case is a terrible stand. I have a big dent in my iPad that proves it.

Go all Intel - Intel has the chips now for it - and they would have full blow Windows x86 capabilities on all their surface tablets (make marketing much easier).
Intel is getting there, but they're still far too slow for a good desktop experience. It would be like running Windows on a Netbook (very slow) rather than an Ultrabook. (MacBook Air class hardware)

surface 2 had 3.5 hours battery life. 75% increase = just a bit more than 6 hours.
still crappy

once that thing has 10-15 hours battery though, id be tempted.
The Surface Pro 2 is running the same generation CPU as the MacBook Airs, with a larger battery. (42Wh instead of 38Wh)

It's a 1.6GHz chip rather than the 1.3GHz chip in the Air, but it uses an HD4400 graphics rather than the HD5000 so you should expect similar battery life as a current generation Air - which is far beyond 6 hours.

And then you have the optional battery cover which adds another 30Wh on top of that.

You could get 8-10 hours with the built in battery, and something like 14-17 hours if you also have the battery cover attached. It's not a very elegant device with that cover attached though.

I picture myself getting a Surface 2 with the docking station. A real desktop keyboard, mouse, Ethernet connection and monitor would be attached to the docking station on my desk. Now I can take my computer on the go, yet have a full desktop at home.
Imagine where this leads if the third generation adds Thunderbolt, and has support for external graphics cards.

While I have a desktop PC at home already, and a Retina MacBook Pro, I really like the idea of having a single device as my computer, which is both an excellent mobile device, and capable of high-end performance when docked at home.

Then I saw the super-tiny mouse pointer and tiny font and the person was using the tiny touch-pad to move around.

I'm not one to toss around the "FAIL" word, but that's the first thing that came to my mind.
That sounds like someone changed the desktop size from 150% to 100%. Items should be the same size as an 11" MacBook Air. (but Retina quality)

Microsoft just doesn't understand that one of the big differences between Windows and Mac is as follows; Every Mac regardless of prices comes with the great iLife package of apps in addition to excellent mail, calendar and contacts apps. You can buy a new Mac and instantly start doing things.

If the Windows Essentials apps (or whatever they're called this year) were as complete and great looking as iPhoto, iTunes, iDVD, Mail, Contacts and Calendar I would be switching back. I prefer Windows 8 (desktop) over Mac but the total software integration of Mac OS and Mac to iPhone just cannot be beat.
That's an interesting point. I don't find the iLife suite of programs particularly useful, and replace them immediately when I buy a new Mac (Lightroom for photo editing, for example) so that's not something I had really considered before.

I do wish that the Pro version came with the same stripped-down version of Office that the "RT" version comes with - that's all most people need for home use. I'll probably end up sticking to LibreOffice on the desktop, which lacks any sort of touch support.

This will fail until it gets unanchored to Wi-Fi and picks up LTE. When it gets LTE, it has a potential to compete.
LTE in 2014

Browsing the web in LANDSCAPE on a 16:9 screen? lol. :rolleyes:
It's crazy what people consider doing on laptops and computer monitors! I don't know why they aren't all 4:3.
 
While I still see more Windows laptops than Macs, I see primarily MBA's when I _DO_ see a Mac being used on a tray table. And if you fly international business/first, its almost entirely MBA's with the occasional ultralight windows rigs.

My 13" MBA remains my primary computing device. Yes, Parallels/BootCamp isn't a GREAT experience on it, but I can run the odd Windows app when I've no other alternative available on OSX. But most people who buy Mac's already know that going in and don't buy one if they primarily need a Windows device. So I'm not sure that's a rational benchmark.

I fly international business class a lot. I've had just about every iteration of "small" laptop from the Dells of the early 2000s (what was that called again) to Vaios, and since 2009 I've had every iteration of MBA. I use the 11 inch 2013 exclusively and get everything done that I need to, including some processor intensive tasks involving DNA analysis.

Boot Camp gets better battery life than OSX in my experience.

It's better than the Surface Pro for this segment, with the exception of a touchscreen--but it has a touchpad that does 80% of what you need to do. I have an iPad for the rest.

Citrix on either the MBA or the iPad works just fine. Sure, my IT guys are not happy about leaving the MS comfort zone with the back end server integration, but too damn bad. That's what IT guys are supposed to do -- integrate. That's what we pay them for.

The Pro is trying for a segment that the MBA occupies, and will fail.

The RT and in some small cases the Pro is trying for a segment that the iPad occupies, and will fail.

Nice machines (a bit heavy) but Apple products beat them hands down for the problems they are trying to solve.

That's the issue with MS, going back to Bill Gates.

What problems do their products solve better than the competition?

Like BB, they are living on corporate inertia. Like BB, if they don't innovate, and find a new niche and/or do it better than everyone else, BBs fate awaits.
 
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1 month wait for delivery? What are they thinking? On the other hand, this is classic Microsoft.

normally that works to make customers take a minute to decide on somebody else's big day... and Microsoft delivers "something" a few weeks later not that great. Except that Apple is going to swoop in with "buy right now" iPads in the same week. Microsoft is like a duck lined up for shooting at the fair for this one.
 
64-bit apps, plus the Windows desktop does real multitasking (apps don't get tombstones when they're in the background).

Many apps can use huge amounts of RAM, and tend to be run together. Big spreadsheets, big databases, professional-quality photo and video editing apps (Photoshop especially), software development tools. And the whole point of Surface Pro is that it can run these apps with this kind of data load, but iPads can't.

For serious software developers, 8GB RAM can actually be very cramped.

I see, but at this point get a typical laptop with full set of ports and "real" keyboard and save some $$$.

The S Pro is more a niche tool then mass market.
 
What's with all this working!!?
You can do work on an iPad you need the camera kit but I can do
Everything I need with an iPad and some things u can't do with the surface
Or android rigs like pop it into a mackie mixer etc music type work.

You can't do work if the software doesn't exist for the ecosystem. And ARM software is way too simple for a lot of people.

I can't do any meaningful CAD work on ARM. I can't do any type of music creation on ARM because all the software feels like toys for microwave DJ's. I can't game anything AAA quality. But I can do all this on x86

And you CAN connect a Mackie to a Surface Pro through a dock or USB in. You'll be limited by the # of simultaneous channels you're recording because it's ultrabook specced but it's totally doable.

I have 2 keyboard controllers, a Kaosscilator, an Octapad, 4 channel interface, and an APC40 connected to my Surface pro through a USB3 dock, and my Pro has both Studio One and Ableton installed. You cannot do stuff like this on an iPad or any ARM based tablet for lack of power
 
Apple updates iPad to fevered celebration,

Microsoft updates Surface to a whimper.
 
Just saying...

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