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The Surface studio looks glorious for photographer / artist.

I want one. But, not with the internals. Someone needs to create a stand-alone monitor with all this functionality, but without the actual internals.

I'd still rather keep with my legit desktop than an All-in-one. But a surface display with the dial, and the pen spport would be nce

it exists Wacom makes them
http://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/cintiq-27-qhd-touch
 
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Or, per my earlier post, perhaps Apple did the research and decided it didn't add enough value for its users? Perhaps they decided iterating on input methods like the force touch trackpad and multi touch gestures offered more real world benefits? After all, they patented the Surface Studio idea 7 years ago: http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/08/the-mother-lode-welcome-to-the-imac-touch.html

Sometimes these novel ideas look and sound cool, but in practice, they aren't nearly as useful or practical in real world use. Surface Book is a perfect example.

That's one way of looking at it.

Another way is that Microsoft saw the opportunity to show us what can be done with something similar to what Apple patented, and then went ahead and did it.

A device like the Studio has real-world benefits:

An integrated creative/artist workstation that runs the world's #1 OS (i.e. compatible as all hell).

An iMac that can do everything that the iPad Pro can would be a compelling product from Apple. Microsoft did it for them.

Shots fired.

Apple sees no value in integrating iOS and macOS. This here is how you do it.

They need to quit frakking around and get to it.
 
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I was thinking the same thing. With the announcements, there are clearly a few missing items that have debuted late 2016, that would be nice to see. I'm sure Microsoft is already thinking about their 6month or 1 year revision.

interesting to see no USB3/Thunderbolt. At least 1 or 2 ports for "future proofing". Also, using a 9xxm series GPU at this point seems like an afterthought, especially when Nvidia announced about 2 months ago the 1060, 1070 and 1080 would be available in non-mobile configurations for mobile devices.

Likely we'll see the next revision with either the 1050ti or 1060.

I don't think that NVIDIA has anything out yet for the 1000 series mobile chips yet. So would explain why there isn't one in the surface studio yet.

But this is great news and brings great competition to the floor. I used to be really into ultra wide displays especially the new LG 38" monitor running with a resolution of 2160 by 1600. But it all depends really on the work flow you have, so the studio probably has better use for a drafting professional or artist. Don't think we will see a ultra wide large display anytime soon.
 
It all depends on the components being used, such as the GPU

At the risk of self-incrimination ;), I've "toyed" with custom built "Hackint0sh" systems. Primarily for maintaining a lead in a quickly evolving technological world as it's a challenge which requires much research. Knowing the proper boards, GPU's, WiFi+BTLE Broadcom's combo PCIe cards (which we began using late 2012, moving from separate WiFi and BT chips to a single WiFi ac + BTLE 4.x that unfortunately resulted in many having wifi and BT connectivity issues since 10.8 yet performed perfectly running Windows on the same hardware, thankfully 10.12 addressed the kext issue), and much more. Contrary to earlier OS X releases, it seems 10.12 Sierra has become the "easiest" Apple OS to install on non-Apple systems, on par with Snow Leopard which begs the question"why?".

On topic

Skylake-X and Kaby-X
Intel will be ditching the E and K nomenclature in succeeding the Broadwell-E chips. New Mac's have been in a holding pattern primarily due to Intel's shift from their "tick tock" model with the introduction of "X" versions of Skylake and Kaby Lake processors in early June. Unbeknownst to many, Intel has been working with us on first access to early production lines of Skylake and Kaby Lake processors, not unprecedented for Apple and Intel. Unfortunately, constant delays meant benched Mac's. The primary interest is Thunderbolt 3, improved integrated graphics and 4K support, Xeon E3-1500 v5 server chips (Mac Pro), and more. Kaby Lake was on track for a Q2 2016 launch, thus we held back. With the news of "X" variants in June promised no later than Q3, we held back.

In August, Intel announced Skylake-X and Kaby Lake-X would be shelved until late 2017. From what we heard through the pipeline, Cook was pissed. Some close to the situation claimed he channeled Jobs' level of anger as Apple began seeing declines waiting for Intel to get it together. Rumor mills suggest we may begin producing processors as Apple is focusing on in-house production for crucial components (CPU's) while introducing high-end dedicated GPU display components with new production lines.

Time will tell. For the moment, there's no question Skylake will be the processor for the newly released portables. Intel announced 7th-generaton Kaby Lake availability in September, yet it was too late for inclusion in a long overdue Mac line update. iMac, Mac Pro, and displays will be delayed due to a shift towards new dedicated GPU options to improve 4K+ support, new displays, and finally delivering on professional level systems.
 
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This product has a wow-factor that hasn't been seen in an Apple device in a long time. That said, hardly anyone will own one - but it is a halo product for sure.

The thing to me is imagining in 3 years that we will hopefully have this kind of product in a more consumer price-friendly price point. Looking forward to it!
 
Comments clearly show who quietly fell asleep in the comfortable environment of Apple walled garden and who had a look outside. Being the first group in difficulty to focus when looking beyond their nose
 
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So you're saying it's as nice as an early iMac - what else you got.
No I think he's saying the iMac used to have the computer in the base. And the original iMac was basically a TV. I don't think he said, said at any point, anything about the niceness of it, just pointing out the iMac wasn't always what it is now.
 
Was that not innovative at the time? You can't dilute that by saying it hasn't been updated in (far) too long.

I said "has become." Innovation is meaningless to professionals unless it is useful/valuable for a reasonable amount of time. The mac "pro" was announced with great fanfare, only left to collect dust.
 
I agree, the price tag is a little too high, while I love everything about the Studio, I think MS got a little greedy in setting the price so high.

I think this would have been an iMac killer at 2,000

I think you're wrong. It's a giant touchscreen that is great to use for presentations. Apple would call it the iMac pro and charge 1k extra for it. And how about testing tablet or smartphone apps? I think this is the 2016 Windows-to-Mac-switchers killer.
 
But it runs.... Windows... But good, a very good move in the right direction.

SPOILER ALERT:
So does every major / enterprise-centric company in the World.

Apple/macOS is not designed, nor does apple care if it makes it into the hands of the enterprise. Which is why they make it as hard as possible to actually work in an enterprise environment.

If apple wants to take the massive amount of adoption they have seen since 2001, and the numbers of devices they have on school networks, they need to begin integrating into, and focusing on making Apple Products outside of iOS actually working in real-world environment without kludgy bolt on additions to push GPOs and other Policies.
 
The Surface studio looks glorious for photographer / artist.

I want one. But, not with the internals. Someone needs to create a stand-alone monitor with all this functionality, but without the actual internals.

I'd still rather keep with my legit desktop than an All-in-one. But a surface display with the dial, and the pen spport would be nce

Since the internals seem to be in the base, imagine if they could make that one part replaceable/upgradable. Too bad no mention of it.
 
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Agreed. If anyone is in doubt, look at the embarrassment the Mac "Pro" has become. "Can't innovate anymore, my ass." Still laughing at that Schiller line.

Yes, they haven't shown the Mac Pro much love.

I find the product cycles over the last few years distinctly odd. I love my iMac Retina 5k but a refreshed design wouldn't have gone amiss.

I cannot help, perhaps unreasonably, putting the blame at the door of Apple Watch, which appears to have taken up far too much time and resources.

Apple isn't out for the count, people. Its products are well-established and mature, and Apple tend to explode with innovation then spend some years iterating and evolving their products, leaving little room for year-after-year wow factors. At the moment, they have a number of very solid products, leaving other companies free to do the big reveals until Apple is ready for its next big moves. But get used to iteration instead of big innovation for a couple years I least, though I suspect the iPhone 8 next year will be immense.
 
Maybe we should bring back this concept... http://joakimulseth.com/imac-touch-concept-mockup
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How much do the other machines with a multitouch + digitizer > 20" display cost?



I love how no matter how impressive a machine is, somebody will eventually come up with "it runs Windows".
Would have been witty in 1999. Now it's just sad and a symptom of denial.

Nothing personal, mind you, could literally have been you or anybody else, there's always someone crying "Windows" in the first page of every thread about Windows hardware which is actually decent (I heard that Windows users can buy workstations less than 3 years old, imagine that).



No, Microsoft Essentials and a working brain are more than enough.
They have been for 14 years now, since XP SP3.
Of course, if you are stupid enough to run that "Viagra.exe" attachment... but this was pretty much established in 1999.

Not necessarily. A malicious ad on a trusted site can still cause issues.
 
But somehow still slightly clunky and boxy. Just what you'd expect from Microsoft trying really hard to copy Apple.
 
I don't think that NVIDIA has anything out yet for the 1000 series mobile chips yet. So would explain why there isn't one in the surface studio yet.

But this is great news and brings great competition to the floor. I used to be really into ultra wide displays especially the new LG 38" monitor running with a resolution of 2160 by 1600. But it all depends really on the work flow you have, so the studio probably has better use for a drafting professional or artist. Don't think we will see a ultra wide large display anytime soon.

nvidia already announced that there are no "mobile" 10xx series GPU's. The standard Desktop GPU's can be fitted into mobile computers as is. (obviously not the desktop boards, i just mean the chips themselves)

There are already anounced products that will feature 1060's and 1070s. Razer and Dell both have announced them already. I believe Razer's New Blade which features the 1060 starts shipping soon

thats why I'm a bit surprised that Microsoft did go with the 9xxm at this point. Especially sicne these aren't going to be on store shelves for a few months.

Just indicates that the Dev cycle for these devices probably is 6+ months, before they announced Kaby Lake or the 10x0 series GPU's for mobile
 
Price may be high....but when you compare with outdated macs like mac pro, maybe it's justifiable. If you're a professional in whatever area and you need power...YOU KNOW THIS PRICE IS NOTHING.
 
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I use both everyday (in fact, i use Android, iOS, MacOS, Windows (7,2012,10), As well as a bunch of Linux variants.

Ultimately, each OS has some things they are better at than others, somethings that they fall behind on others. Each one has a different learning curve. At the end of the day, They are all just launchpads for your programs / Apps and they all fundamentally do the exact same things.

one is not "more advanced" than others. What you do find is that someone who grew up exclusively in one system, will be more comfortable in that system. if you're used to a universal menu bar along the top, you'll be frustrated when it doesn't exist in windows (because the bars stick to the programs). if you're in windows and use windows snap features extensively, you'll be disappointing by Apple's poor window size manipulation. If you're used to MacOS's trackpad focus, Windows Mouse centric focus might feel janky (and vice versa).

it really comes down to personal preference and experience. Ultimately, aside from Program support, there's little differences in the end user functionality.
Cut it out. This is not how you generate clicks. Factions. Factions move the needle. Now quit dicking around and pick a team. I don't need anyone else out there like me.
 
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I have said it before, Microsoft is the new Apple.

Apple has really been too much of the same lately, I am really happy that someone has taken notice and offered some true innovation in the PC-industry. I never expected that innovation to come from Microsoft, however.

I can definitely myself getting a Surface Tablet at some point.
 
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Axios! Hold your head proud Microsoft! You are worthy again! Very well done! Very well done indeed!

Yeah, it brought a silly sentimental tear to my eye to see Microsoft redeem itself.

Now Apple, time to step up your game! Can't wait to see what you have tomorrow!
 
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Since the internals seem to be in the base, imagine if they could make that one part replaceable/upgradable. Too bad no mention of it.
That was my next curiousity with this... how upgradable is that? since it's not in the monitor itself, a box base could be made with some modularity in mind. Could we see potential RAM or HDD upgradalibity? that would be nice. GPU and CPU are likely soldered in though
 
That's one way of looking at it.

Another way is that Microsoft saw the opportunity to show us what can be done with something similar to what Apple patented, and then went ahead and did it.

I really feel that they did show us that it could be done well. Microsoft is really wanting to place its hold in the professional art/drafting market.
 
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Although I generally pan Microsoft's marketing as inapt and this presentation certainly was a disaster as far as generating excitement, I will give them props for putting the i7 in the name since calling this the iStudio would've been a trademark no no :)
 
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