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Ok as for the zune we can all say hands down a paper weight boring non buzzworthy tool of technology stuck in the 90s quick buck, a lame future outcome ahead for that plain piece of m$ plastic toy.

Yep - cause an FM radio is soooooooooooo new millenium
 
Unnecessary. :)

Whatever they do isn't going to help them. It works for Apple because Apple cares about the customers.

M$ just sees numbers. That isn't how retail works. For that fact, neither does "If you can't beat 'em, rip 'em off".

$30 billion in the bank reality distortion field. :D
 
Windows 7 will, however, dominate desktop operating system markeshare over the next few years.

Whether or not you like it, Windows 7 appears to be a very, very good OS - certainly according to the reviews and the one which the vast majority of the computer using world will move to.

Here we go again with the market share thing. You do know why their market share is so high compared to Apple's, don't you? If so you'll know why a lot of Apple fans (me included) want it to stay that way.

Although with convergence, the desktop OS market share will become less important, and therefore so will MS.
 
Fighting Brands

The Zune, the Mobile initiative, the retail stores are all fighting brands. They are designed to weaken a competitor.

As an example, some years ago Coke introduced "Mr. Pibb" a Dr. Pepper taste alike in Dr. Pepper's home town, Waco, TX.
 
I think you are being too harsh (biased?). Look competition is good, and let's face it Apple seems to be resting on its laurels of late. They need some pressure on them. The new Touch is positively uninspired. You've have to be a fanboy with huge blinders on not to recognize that. And the Zune HD itself is pretty cool, though too immature as a system to really compete with the Touch. However, maybe good enough for Apple to take note and put some real innovation in the next Touch version. The fact they couldn't manage to get a camera inside when every other device in the world has one...even pens!...is testament to Apple's stumble of late, SJ's comments that the Touch is a game machine, notwithstanding.

Win 7 is decent for Windows. It's a heck of a lot more useable than Vista and easier on the eyes than that moldy XP. And let's face is M$ owns the business world's computers. That's not going to change so lets be happy there is a half-decent version of Win around. I prefer not to use Win but sometimes there is no option. I'd rather use Win 7 than Vista or XP any day.

I'm trying to be realist about the zune I and I'm sure most would like to have the best of the best but some lean toward the zune an become blind. M$ fans will always get zunes but I see more potential in iPhones then anything there is yet to be something the phone can't do especially jailbroken it's endless a bottomless pit of almost perfection but could use more ram n cores;)

I used xp vista and xp was decent and stable faster etc but win 7 wins IMO. I need something faster n stable for my work. I don't know how people are still using vista I really don't.
 
Once hired, the ex-Apple employees are then contacting some of the top sales people in the Apple retail organization offering them positions at Microsoft retail.

Wow, that's really going after em!
 
Once hired, the ex-Apple employees are then contacting some of the top sales people in the Apple retail organization offering them positions at Microsoft retail.

Wow, that's really going after em!

Our Apple rep used to man the Apple section at CompUSA. He couldn't wait to get out of there. Good timing on his part, cause they folded six month's later.
 
Ok as for the zune we can all say hands down a paper weight boring non buzzworthy tool of technology stuck in the 90s quick buck, a lame future outcome ahead for that plain piece of m$ plastic toy.

For win7 it's stable and fast loaded with new direct x 11 n stuff so yeah but nothing worth braging about. Used it for months now so far so good. Vista is a failing os and will never attain any fixes it'll always will be having issues. sad n pathetic os. So it's either xp or win7 IMO win7 64bit on mac pros as an alturnative os for bootcamp games apps etc...

Okay, let me repeat the question I asked before; have you actually used the Zune HD to be forming such an opinion?
 
The UK might be "Broken Britain" these days, but thanks, you've reminded me that there is one advantage to living here!

I'm not criticizing your country, rather just saying that because the HD is not available there for whatever reason, that you could not have possibly tried the HD to form a credible opinion about it.
 
Okay, let me repeat the question I asked before; have you actually used the Zune HD to be forming such an opinion?

Do you need to use it to know it's an ill-conceived, dead-end device?

Unless MS does a helluva lot more with it, it won't last very long. Apparently, we're being told it's not even competition for the iPod Touch. Which leaves it somewhere between "limited" and "pointless."
 
Some of you guys on here are so mis informed. You describe a Microsoft that hasn't existed for at least a decade.

O RLY?

Ever actually TRIED windows 7?

Actually, yes - it's on my Mac right now (thank you VMware).

I've never gotten a virus. EVER. I don't have an anti virus.

So you're arguing that viruses aren't a problem for Windows users? :rolleyes:

The world does not revolve around Apple.

But apparently Microsoft does.
 
Do you need to use it to know it's an ill-conceived, dead-end device?

Unless MS does a helluva lot more with it, it won't last very long. Apparently, we're being told it's not even competition for the iPod Touch. Which leaves it somewhere between "limited" and "pointless."


Well it's good to know you believe what you're told. :rolleyes:

Yeah, to pass judgment on a piece of hardware, it's always good to actually play with it for at least a few minutes. It's called "having an opinion based on experience" as opposed to "I read it on the interwebz, so it must be true".
 
So you're arguing that viruses aren't a problem for Windows users? :rolleyes:

haha that one always cracks me up. "I've never gotten a virus, and I don't even run AV software". How would you know if you've never had a virus? Do you know how viruses work in the 21st century?

Unless you're a security expert, you should be running AV on Windows. To do otherwise is stupid and incompetent. Unless of course your machine is not connected to a network. At all.
 
Insane?!

This just makes me think less of Microsoft (even less). They need to build their own structure and stop stealing from companies that are doing better than them.

If this rumor is true, it makes me want to never buy a single thing from Microsoft for the rest of my life.

Stop copying, create.



DP :apple:
 
Well it's good to know you believe what you're told. :rolleyes:

Yeah, to pass judgment on a piece of hardware, it's always good to actually play with it for at least a few minutes. It's called "having an opinion based on experience" as opposed to "I read it on the interwebz, so it must be true".

Did we need to play with the original Zune to know right off the bat it was going to go nowhere?

No doubt the Zune HD is a nice music and videoplayer. And?

We've been kind of past that for a couple of years now.
 
Did we need to play with the original Zune to know right off the bat it was going to go nowhere?

No doubt the Zune HD is a nice music and videoplayer. And?

We've been kind of past that for a couple of years now.

Oh, so you're a market expert now, and because a past product failed this one definitely will? You're sure?

I'm not saying I love the HD, I'm not saying it's a guaranteed success. But competition is a very good thing, and with the recent lackluster iPT updates I'd say Apple needs some fire under their butt to start doing something interesting.
 
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