Microsoft Bashes Apple's iWork Software, New iPads

[Marc-SP]

You make a good point...one is a full OS on a tablet and the other has an os made for a tablet. I would offer the point that perhaps the iPad would be a better fit because it's designed to be a tablet, rather than trying to be a computer squeezed into a tablet. It does what it's made to do, not what it wishes it could do. It could boil down to the concept of do you want to do a fair job at a lot of things, or would you rather do a superior job at a few things?

Please, just try a Surface 2 and talk based at least on your experience, not rumors.
And remember iOS is based on OSX. Does it make it a bad mobile OS? Would it be much better if it had been done "from the ground up" for mobile?.... I don't think so.

 

[62tele]

The Microsoft dude should check out Apple's video call "Life on iPad' and see examples of how people use iPad at work to be more productive. So many company's have found ways to use iPad for their own applications and unique needs. Hell, each member of LSU football team has an iPad to watch game and practice tape with the coaches cut-ups. The iPad is used by the military, airline, pharmaceutical industry and on and on. I electronically signed my consent for treatment in an ER a couple of months ago.

Microsoft knows how people works? Apparently they don't.

BTW, Word is a crap program. Excel and PowerPoint are the only useful things in Office. Sharepoint is also crap.

Microsoft doesn't understand mobile computing. They don't understand the post-PC world. They never will.

 

[rhett7660]

Honestly... simply coming from an enterprise standpoint using exchange, I would rather have a tablet that has full Outlook/Calendar and Office with full SharePoint support... than an iPad with iOS Mail and Cal.

I can see where MS is coming from and what they are trying to prove/do, but they are doing it the wrong way bashing Apple.

Where I work, we are trying to remove all laptops from our field users, and replace them with iPads+BT Keyboards only. I can not wait for that disaster.

Well it hasn't been a disaster for us yet. Granted we have only deployed close to a 1000 and have had very little issues. This is for iPads and iPhones.

Sharepoint would be nice, but most users do not use the site we have setup so at this point that is mute.

But exchange is working fine for emails and so is the calendar function. No complaints from the users.

We too are moving away from laptops in the field.

 

[Marc-SP]

This accounts for all the angry Windows users screaming at us happy OS X users...

I was just listening to Windows Weekly podcast (TWiT Network) and that guy (not Leo) was going on and on about how hard it was actually upgrading to 8.1. And this is the guy who likes Windows. I contrast that to my Mavericks upgrade. Sweet and Painless. While it was installing, I was able to listen to the Windows guy talk about his upgrade nightmare.

The guys in Redmond are living off their mid 80s to mid 90s success. But then again, they've never really been innovators as much as imitators.

Paul Thurrot (that guy you mention) sometimes sounds like an inflitrate to undermine MS from the inside, haha. Well, maybe it is still better than to be a pseudo religious fanatic like happens with other people talking about a brand like it's their god or something, hehe.

I updated my laptop with no problems at all. Aside from the download time (my conexion is slow) it took far less than 1 hour. In fact, I did it while I was out working and the laptop was unplugged. Battery only went down from 70 to 55% after the whole process.

BTW, do you remember that "small" bug in Snow Leopard that could wipe out all the data in your account? Luckily it didn't happen to MS or it would come to the table in every conversation, haha. Really, OS are huge and complex "machines". Bugs and mistakes are inevitable. I don't think the problems MS has are abnormal in their context.

Marc

 

[IJ Reilly]

You seem to not know what an anecdote is. Your "years of observation" still constitutes anecdotal evidence. But I'm wasting my breath, since you seem to enjoy sanctimoniously declaring what the world needs and doesn't need.

I do believe you are confusing your views for mine.

 

[Quu]

Microsoft just seem to love failure.

Zune
Windows Mobile
Windows Phone 7
Microsoft Kin
Windows 8
Windows Vista
Surface
XBOX ONE DRM
XBOX Music on Windows 8 aka Zune Music aka Windows Media Music
Windows XP Tablet Edition
Windows Media Centre
Live Search aka Bing!
That Danger purchase they never did anything with.
1.5 Billion spent on Nokia's advertising before their 7 Billion purchase of the company

I mean how many failures can Microsoft suffer? They love to lose and I gotta hand it to them they are the best at messing up everything.

 

[2010mini]

The bias against MS on this forum is ridiculous. Yes, I get it, we all like our Apple devices. Was this jab from MS a bit over the top? Probably. That being said, iWork is nowhere NEAR the productivity suite Office is. I really like Keynote as compared to Powerpoint but Excel murders Numbers in ease of use, features, and standardization in the business world. MS knows productivity software and anyone who claims otherwise should go back to making brochures for their beat poetry slam in Pages.

You are quite correct about MS' software being the standard. But MS still SUCKS at implementing these in an OS that is not cumbersome. Had they created a version for iOS years ago, they would've made a killing on selling software alone.

Apple's iWork would've been rendered useless and MS would not have needed to create windows 8 metro mess.

instead they again came to the party late, and are trying to play catch up.

 

[Bhatu]

They just need a good Virus to put the last nail on coffin!

 

[henkerhaus]

Can't Steal or Buy Innovation Forever

The problem with Microsoft is they can't "steal" (like they used to), or even "Buy" their innovation anymore, and Apple is moving forward so fast, that Microsoft knows they're never going to catch up again, so all they can do is bash Apple. You can't cheat your way through life forever!

 

[Marc-SP]

Oh. dude. Dude, dude, dude. Light a candle, it's dark over there in that corner.

Not sure what you mean (you could try to express a valid idea next time, instead of babbling), but I think you didn't even read my whole comment. I will help you to quote the rest of my post:

"Seriously speaking, I don't think the quality of a product is measured by its commercial succes. So many bad products sold milions and so many good products were forgotten in history."

For your information I will say that "Seriously speaking" implies that what I said before about OSX was a joke, an hyperbole, to make a point.

I hope you understand now.

 

[Harthag]

I got the surface pro on release and just sold it today, I won't be picking up a surface 2 and will get the iPad air. I have found I am much more productive on my trusty old and beloved Thinkpad x301 which is only a bit heavier than surface pro. Everything about the surface was just a hassle- wonky touch internet explorer browser that always freezes, wonky type cover touch pad, awkward to hold as a tablet in my opinion, odd start screen errors where tiles were just missing at times, poor battery. I used a USB DVD drive often for work too which became a chore. No thanks windows tablets. Much prefer the laptop. On the days I don't need a DVD drive the iPad experience destroys the surface experience, in my opinion. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Renzatic]

The problem with Microsoft is they can't "steal" (like they used to), or even "Buy" their innovation anymore, and Apple is moving forward so fast, that Microsoft knows they're never going to catch up again, so all they can do is bash Apple. You can't cheat your way through life forever!

If you're gonna bash MS for "buying" their innovation, you might as well do the same thing to Apple. They've bought tons of companies in their day, and incorporated innovations made elsewhere into their own products.

Fingerworks is a big one. And they bought SIRI from SRI Technologies. Same thing with a good portion of their touchscreen technologies. Hell, MS has done more with touchscreen tech inhouse than Apple has, if you want to be honest about it.

 

[Bill Killer]

What's so hard about sharing Pages documents within a company? The problem I have with Pages and Keynote is that the documents are stored as folders, which can be annoying.

Fonts are changed sonetimes, margins are eliminated or obscured, charts don't translate at all....Pages is just underpowered for sharing a real report.

 

[Xerotech]

Because Windows 8 is so awesome.
Mavericks actually makes a difference.

 

[kenosecon]

the problem with iworks its the name. they should change it to ioffice or something like that.
and sell it to windows users ... that would freak out microsoft.
hehehhehhehehe

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btw mavericks is also a terrible name.
what about white tiger or other cat names? I don't think it was a good choice.

 

[erzhik]

So it's ok for Apple to bash Microsoft, but not cool for Microsoft to bash Apple? Oh the fanboy-ism.. When will it stop?

Because Windows 8 is so awesome.
Mavericks actually makes a difference.

What difference would that be? The OS is exactly the same, without any major changes. Oh yes, it took them a year to change the software update notification so it doesn't annoy you.

 

[Stella]

Microsoft just seem to love failure.

Zune
Windows Mobile
Windows Phone 7
Microsoft Kin
Windows 8
Windows Vista
Surface
XBOX ONE DRM
XBOX Music on Windows 8 aka Zune Music aka Windows Media Music
Windows XP Tablet Edition
Windows Media Centre
Live Search aka Bing!
That Danger purchase they never did anything with.
1.5 Billion spent on Nokia's advertising before their 7 Billion purchase of the company

I mean how many failures can Microsoft suffer? They love to lose and I gotta hand it to them they are the best at messing up everything.

Microsoft do a lot more work than just consumer base products - they are not going bankrupt tomorrow, next year, or 5 years time, nor 10 years.

Apple have a consumer based focus and are a lot more vulnerable than microsoft.

For example - Businesses are not going to switch from Microsoft to something else, because there is not something else. Office? Windows server ( to manage window PCs ) , etc. Apple tried and failed on the server. Microsoft have numerous government contracts throughout the world.

Microsoft has a very broad range of products and services.


Said everything, I still prefer Apple.

 

[Marc-SP]

You fail to see the most important point.

Bad sales never prove anything bad about Apple, just that people don't get it. If they did, they'd all buy Apple products.

Haha, you are right. It seems bad sales only proof things for non-Apple products. Good point!

For an Apple fanatics (that are NOT all the people that enjoy Apple products ):

- Apple product sales = good = great product

- Apple product sales = bad = really great product, but the ignorant masses misunderstand it because it is too innovative.



-NON Apple product sales = good = Mediocre product. People buy just it because the masses are missinformed and they lack the class and money to choose a quality (Apple) products instead.

- NON Apple product sales = bad = pure garbage without ANY redemming quality. No need to even have a look.

 

[boombashi]

Microsoft just seem to love failure.

Nice list. Don't forget that Surface was also a BAT (Big Ass Table) before it was a tablet. Also a failure.

Oh, and those Microsoft Stores? I went into my new local Microsoft store a couple months back just for curiosity sake. There were exactly zero customers in the store at the time. I decided to walk down to the Apple store and there where at least 50 people in the store.

 

[cosmos]

Maybe Frank should look back at a few of my personal favorites from Microsoft: Bob, Windows Me, and Vista.

 

[murdock25]

I got to say he's right on some remarks. Surface certainly is better for productivity. Apple definitely should address the more professional market with a tablet that kind of molds the iPad and macbook. Sort of like what Microsoft did.

The competition among tablets meant for consuming content is getting extremely rough with Google and Amazon bringing out tablets as loss-leaders. That's really hard to compete with in the long run. Sure, their products might not be on par with Apple's, but they certainly have the capital and business model to make them almost as good. But at a lower price.

apple's strategy is you want productivity get a MacBook Pro, if you re a writer get a MacBook Air if you want a phone get an iPhone if you want to listen to your tunes while working out get iPod shuffle if you re a graphic designer get an iMac. Etc etc It s not that hard to figure out. MS is just jack of all trades master of none kinda ****

 

[Marc-SP]

True...prices were cut, but not margins.

And you had how do you know that? I think the profit margins should be a quite secret info.

If you see a shadow near your home it could very well be Tim holding his iGun with iSilencer.

 

[Renzatic]

Nice list. Don't forget that Surface was also a BAT (Big Ass Table) before it was a tablet. Also a failure.

A $10,000+ experiment that was only sold to very select markets and never was intended for retail is considered a failure? I can't help but feel that some of you are picking at whatever you can just so you can fling it out to bloat your arguments.

MS does a lot more experimenting than Apple does. 99% of everything Apple does is consumer hardware, and there they only focus on a select few products. You really can't compare the two companies, even though they both cross over into some of the same fields.

 

[tkmcguire1]

I tried a surface
After one day with it,I packed it up and sent it back!
It was the freaking Slowest tablet I have ever used!
Apps took FOREVER to open and it was laggy and glitchy.
Hey Microsoft! It's hard to get work done,if one can't even use the tablet and it takes 3 min for an app to open!
I'll take my ipad any day.You couldn't give me a surface tablet for free
Well you could but I would just sell it!

 

[john123]

I do believe you are confusing your views for mine.

I said "some people need X." You declared, "Virtually no one needs X." Common sense and elementary logic ought to tell you that your claim is much less defensible. Then again, like making a good presentation, maybe those aren't in your skill set either.