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Microsoft Bashes Apple's iWork Software, New iPads
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If you read my comment again you will realize I did NOT really say Apple or Mac or OSX were a failure. I said:
"Seriously speaking, I don't think the quality of a product is measured by its commercial succes. So many bad products sold milions and so many good products were forgotten in history."
"Seriously speaking" implies that what I said before about OSX was a joke, an hyperbole, to make a point.
I hope you understand now. Sorry if I was not clear
I can't disagree, but I think it's a sad state of affairs given how lousy Excel really is. Numbers has been such a disappointment to me-- I saw a chance to punish Excel for it's complacency, and Numbers pulled its punch. I don't care that it doesn't have some of the "power features" I care that it's freaking slow once you have a table with any number of rows. I hope the new version is significantly faster...
The first problem with Excel is exactly what you say, "it's the gold standard in spreadsheets and databasing". Those are two very different functions that Excel shouldn't be trying to take on at once.
The second is that the UI is garbage. Numbers nailed the concept but failed on execution-- it has a great interface but just doesn't do it's job.
The third is that Excel generates crappy output. It outputs in presentation style graphics that aren't suitable for analysis, but are also subpar for anything I'd want to actually present.
Keynote and Pages win hands down for everything I need, but I'm still stuck with Excel. The world so badly needs a better spreadsheet, and probably one that isn't a spreadsheet at all.
I always thought Oovium could be an interesting concept if it were fleshed out a bit more.
I'm sorry but MSFT Office used to be the ticket but people are using Google Docs and ICloud Apps because they don't want to pay for overpriced software that is buggier and less portable than what the competition is offering. MSFT might try doing a few things great rather than trying to shoe-horn in as many features as quickly as possible that don't really work that well or weren't quite thought out. If MSFT had focused just on software for an OS rather than the OS they'd be much better positioned right now than they currently are. They could've sold much much more to iOS users and Android users by now. Windows now only accounts for 25% of the cash flow. MSFT didn't realize what it's core strengths are....having a Windows OS makes sense on some level to peddle the real money maker Office. I think MSFT was way to reliant on something that isn't actually tangible in nature. Windows was bound to come down in price significantly and it will continue to. MSFT is upset that Apple is giving it's productivity software away and it's far superior OS away for free.
I'm sorry MSFT for people who do real work Windows won't work. People who need to write programs or produce creative documents are using something with some form of a *nix OS. Some of us arent office jockeys.
I'm sorry MSFT for people who do real work Windows won't work. People who need to write programs or produce creative documents are using something with some form of a *nix OS. Some of us arent office jockeys.
Your evidence of the uselfuness of IPad is a promotional video from the company that makes it? Sounds impartial.
And Windows is used in... errr .... everywhere else? Even the Chinese goverment use Windows! (Big mistake, but not because it is from MS but because it is a closed source OS from a foreign country, and NSA and so on... hehehe
)And your "evidence" that Word is crap is... your opinion without even any example?
The reason that your work is switching to iPads is because people love them and now they can use iWork, which is what is making MS worried. Most people don't need the extra garbage that Office provides.
Excel is not the gold standard isn databases... or even close. Oracle, MySQL, Riak, PostgreSQL are all FAAAAAAR and way more suited for a database. I mean you clearly don't know what you are talking about with that statement you made about Excel for a database.
Excel is only the gold standard in spreadsheets and spreadsheets alone and honestly I don't know how much longer that will last. If Apple adds javascript macros or something to their Numbers app it's a wrap.
I don't know what you mean. Microsoft's Skydrive includes the Office Web apps for free (Word, excel, powerpoint and One note). They are at least as good as the ones you mention. Better, in my opinion.
The full Office (not the web apps) has many more options than any of these cloud apps. Maybe you don't need that extra power (only some professionals do), but that doesn't mean it is not a great product.
For most users in an office setting, Pages is more than what's needed. OpenOffice can be used if Pages isn't sufficient. Keynote is definitely a much better preso app than PowerPoint. I do agree with you that Excel blows Numbers (and pretty much everything else I have tried) away. I think it is a great app, but the other Office apps could completely vanish as far as I am concerned.
The people who use office aren't the pros. Those are the paper pushers in management who don't actually produce anything.
That's nice, MS.
In the real world, every device you have with any and every form of Windows 8 absolutely sucks.
I mean, it is bad. Very bad. I sit an office with Macs, Windows 7 machines, and a lowly Windows 8 machine that I use regularly. I've tried. Hard. I'm a Mac guy, and productivity guy, and a 'software is supposed to work fast and get out of your way' guy......Windows 8 is absolutely disgusting. Its terrible. What a failure of all considerations.
Worst operating system in the history of such.
In the real world, every device you have with any and every form of Windows 8 absolutely sucks.
I mean, it is bad. Very bad. I sit an office with Macs, Windows 7 machines, and a lowly Windows 8 machine that I use regularly. I've tried. Hard. I'm a Mac guy, and productivity guy, and a 'software is supposed to work fast and get out of your way' guy......Windows 8 is absolutely disgusting. Its terrible. What a failure of all considerations.
Worst operating system in the history of such.
No, not really. The whole world is turning to other solutions that are not overpriced and out of date.
MS No Longer Relevant
Remember when Microsoft was relevant? Me neither.
If you have to yell about how much better you are, then you're not.
Remember when Microsoft was relevant? Me neither.
If you have to yell about how much better you are, then you're not.
If I do real work, I need a dual 26 inches monitor and a workhorse computer. It it's on the go, I bring my Mac Air. If it's a simple presentation to clients, I prefer my iPad more than anything else. I just don't see the use for a Surface. I guess Microsoft has a different opinion.
The whole world is using PCs over Macs and not because they liked them... so what's your point?
As far as office goes 90-95% of the time you don't even need most of the bloat in office and on an iPad there are dedicated apps for the 5 or 10% of the time iWork or Google docs doesn't have the feature you want or need...Google docs works just fine. Hell if NYT can use google docs Im sure everyone else can do what they need to as well.
Outlook on the web is a hot mess...and I mean that. Its abysmal.
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If I could get all my supervisors up the ladder to understand that one point, life would be so much better.
The iPad does not cover my needs (for example, I need a USB port because I have to transfer data to older computers without a net conection) and is more expensive (at very least 50$), but you convinced me to buy an iPad. I don't want to be excluded from the group. My classmates will think I am weird and laugh at me if I don't have the same device as they have...
Nope. Luckily I am not an insecure teenager anymore
. I will buy the product I need. Sales mean little to me (I am not a shareholder or work for them, why should I) As far as I have a valid warranty I am OK, and MS is not going away any time soon whatever happens to Surface.You're defending the wrong thing and that's where you're creating a heated argument for nothing. Your tone is unnecessary. I didn't speak to you in that manner at all. This is not a "public forum", it's privately owned, ran and moderated so people can't just tell other members to get lost and send PM's if they can't handle people coming at them they way you came at me.
This is where you were defending the wrong thing. I never said or suggested that he should use Pages instead of Word. Excellent job at throwing words in my mouth. Sheesh. I was defending Pages for what he stated about it, because what he stated was flat out wrong. These were his words below..
I disputed that. That's all. Please re-read. I replied him saying that Pages has very professional editing tools and if he found Pages to not have any professional tools then he wasn't using it to it's full potential because I use it for professional reasons in my own office.
Also since he didn't state what tools he needed in Pages (as you said) then there was no reason for you to come at me that way. Here's a thought, maybe he could've been more clear instead of you deciding to pick a fight with me.
Just for the record. You either didn't understand what I said or decided to deliberately misrepresent it. At this point I don't much care which.
Apple is giving away iWork to sell OS X and iOS devices. They are not trying to get more users to use iWork. If a person buys an Apple hardware product, they could care less if you use iWork or Office.