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Why? Exchange is a POS on a server and client system. While it has tons of installed users, most are SMB's and in enterprise-type operations it's about 50%-50% Notes and Exchange with some "Other" thrown in for good measure.

And don't get me started on Sharepoint. The product most hate to use and even MS admits implementation is ~7x the acquisition cost. It's cumbersome, hard to use, and another utter garbage app from Microsoft.

I'm glad it's a pain to implement, administer, and use. It keeps us SharePoint guys employed. :D
 
I can see where Microsoft wants to go with the Surface Pro (not the Surface) - The problem is the've screwed up:

On the Surface: Why create a separate OS for phones and surface tables? You've just introduced more hurdles, and larger barriers to entry for anyone trying to develop software for the platform. They lose $1 Billion - and now up it again - with very little difference between generations. You've also sent a mixed marketing message where Surface can cannibalize Surface Pro sales

On the Surface Pro: I think the surface pro is a genuinely innovative, logical progression in the tablet/laptop space. The problem is the Surface Pro is a poor implementation. I dislike the kickstand, lack of trackpad while in PC mode, etc... It adds up to a big miss to me.

I think Apple will do something very similar. The difference is, I think Apple will hit a home run. Mostly because do a better job thinking about their products, and secondly, because they can learn from the mistakes that Microsoft is making with the Pro.

Why is microsoft even developing an OS for tablets?
I thought win8 was there to also run on MS tablets:confused:
Now they got: windows phone, windows 8.1, surface and surface pro and maybe other OS i dont even know.
Wtf? Y? They dont have an app store and except for win8 nobody uses them!
iOS is a success story. MS products are pathetic imitations.
 
Windows 8 sucks. Everyone knows it.

The Surface hasn't sold well at all, to the point of having the price slashed. Everyone knows it.

The iPad experience is better. Everyone knows it. Sales prove it.

Fail.

looks like he's the one in a "reality distortion field"

typical microsoft jealousy that apple gets everything and they got nothing :D
 
Who seriously uses Microsoft office or iWork on a tablet besides maybe teachers and students?
 
Hey, Microsoft, make your OS and productivity suite free and then we'll talk.

Yeah, cause Microsoft makes its money from hardware sales like apple does.....:rolleyes:

Apart from keynote the rest of the apple productivity software is not in the same league as office. And mavericks is frankly an incremental update to mountain lion, and it's not free..... That apple hardware you bought came at a nice price. It's like windows 8.1..... You can argue that was a free update after the initial investment.
 
Who seriously uses Microsoft office or iWork on a tablet besides maybe teachers and students?

I used it on my iPad to write stories. I had no notebook computer at the time. Just bring along the wireless keyboard and you've got a little world processor.

Is it optimal? No, because I couldn't send it to our publishing system. The old one we had required a remote login, the new one now requires Firefox. Not sure if it would work with Firefox for iOS, but I doubt it.

Anyway, some people use it. It's especially going to be handy now with iCloud integration.
 
...what were you doing to it? :confused:

Nothing! Barely used it.
Wanted to boot into windows one day and now its stuck on the windows symbol. Since win8 doesnt have safe mode anymore ms support just told me to reinstall it, since there is nothing they can do. :mad:
Ive used microsoft products for two decades before and i am really really sick of their poop!!!
Once you go mac you never turn back!
 
On the Surface Pro: I think the surface pro is a genuinely innovative, logical progression in the tablet/laptop space. The problem is the Surface Pro is a poor implementation. I dislike the kickstand, lack of trackpad while in PC mode, etc... It adds up to a big miss to me.
What is wrong with the kickstand? Did you try the one in the new surfaces? Is it worse to have a (imperfect, at least to you) kickstand than no kickstand at all? In any case, you don't have to use it.

Lack of trackpad? there is one on the optional keyboard if you need. Or you can use a bluetooth/USB mouse. Not sure what the problem is. And what is PC mode? You mean the desktop?


I think Apple will do something very similar. The difference is, I think Apple will hit a home run. Mostly because do a better job thinking about their products, and secondly, because they can learn from the mistakes that Microsoft is making with the Pro.

Just curious. If that happens, will that be copying Microsoft or not? It seems Apple only gets "inspiration" but never copies, while all the rest are dirty thieves of Apple ideas, even if they make a totally different product (IPad and Surface almost as different, from a physical and philosophical point of view, as it can get for a tablet). Hehe :)
 
I don't understand why Apple doesn't just drop the nuke comment and shut Microsoft up forever..."Unlike our competitors, we don't write off $900 million for unsold tablets...that's our profit."
 
Free OS, free Office software=end of MS as we know it. It may have still servers and xboxes, but it is no longer relevant to consumer computing.

It took 20 years to wait for it beginning from Windows 3, but it was worth it.
 
You were bootcamping, right? What you were experiencing was likely a problem extending from that.

Very possible. I just never had similar problems with anything apple.
But MS products seem to always make problems even when you use a PC.

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Do you mean 99% of the population at one point or another in their lives, then? ;)

Everybody i know uses iwork. Especially on the iPad.
I bought it on mac just so i can syn it to my iPad without formatting problems. I use almost exclusively an ipad mini for word processing, keynotes, prezzi and some numbers because i have a 5 hour commute every day and it fits in my coatpocket.
 
Very possible. I just never had similar problems with anything apple.
But MS products seem to always make problems even when you use a PC.

Eh. Even though I've kinda moved away from Windows a bit recently, I've never had much of a problem with it. My general experiences have been that as long as you don't buy cheap crap, it runs just fine.

Not saying Macs are cheap crap (cuz I know that last sentence made someone around here get all indignant), but bootcamping is kind of a weird way to install Windows, and can occasionally introduce problems you normally wouldn't get on a regular PC.

One thing is for sure, barring hardware issues, Windows doesn't just break for no apparent reason.
 
Free OS, free Office software=end of MS as we know it. It may have still servers and xboxes, but it is no longer relevant to consumer computing.

It took 20 years to wait for it beginning from Windows 3, but it was worth it.

The "free" software from Apple is included in the larger than average profit margin (=more expensive products). There is no free.

It's like the "free" phones in USA.... with a 2000$ 2 year contract.
I pay 5-10$ a month for my mobile phone bill in my country. Sure I had to pay the phone full price, but I can choose to buy a 800$ phone or a 100$ and get the saving directly. In the USA system they "force" you to buy the 800$ phone because you will not see almost any saving by buying a cheaper one.
 
Eh. Even though I've kinda moved away from Windows a bit recently, I've never had much of a problem with it. My general experiences have been that as long as you don't buy cheap crap, it runs just fine.

Not saying Macs are cheap crap (cuz I know that last sentence made someone around here get all indignant), but bootcamping is kind of a weird way to install Windows, and can occasionally introduce problems you normally wouldn't get on a regular PC.

One thing is for sure, barring hardware issues, Windows doesn't just break for no apparent reason.

Ive been using windows since it first came out. And i mean win 1 in the 80s.
It did break for no apparent reason before.
 
The "free" software from Apple is included in the larger than average profit margin (=more expensive products). There is no free.

Plus giving away free software isn't a new thing for Apple. From what I remember, they only started charging for their OSes around the time OSX came out. Back in the day, they'd ship OS7 and 8 out as coverdiscs with Mac magazines.

...and it didn't exactly do all that much to hurt MS even then.

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Ive been using windows since it first came out. And i mean win 1 in the 80s.
It did break for no apparent reason before.

Yeah, during the Windows 1-98 days, it would break for no reason. But hell, everything was terrible back in those days.

But what was true then isn't the case now. Griping about something because of the way it used to be would be like someone hating Macs because they only have one mouse button, or because OSX 10.1 is a crashy, laggy mess no one in their right mind would want to use.
 
Sounds like a sore loser to me!! :p
 

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Surface is a small laptop that comes apart.
Which is why so few buy them. They're too confusing products from your average consumer's point of view who simply wants to buy either or tablet or a laptop.
 
Windows XP broke for no reason, too.
I skipped win vista and win 7. But now theres problems with win8.
I just never had any problems with apple.
I have to run winxp at work on a remote server. It is broken network wide at least once a week.
 
Criticizing

So, Apple can poke fun and make fun of Microsoft, but if Microsoft fights back, they're mean?
 
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