Tell the same to Mr. Tim Cook, Jobs, and all the others that attacked MS in many Apple keynotes.
That said, I also wish all the companies stop doing that. Or maybe no? It's somehow fun if it's not taken too far, hehe.
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Tell the same to Mr. Tim Cook, Jobs, and all the others that attacked MS in many Apple keynotes.
That said, I also wish all the companies stop doing that. Or maybe no? It's somehow fun if it's not taken too far, hehe.
It's very different. This has been covered many many times in many many forums. The simple version is that Apple takes a form of positive bashing - call it bashing with a smile, but it's not anti-other, it's why we're better than the competition, while Microsoft takes a form of negative bashing, taking a direct rag against the opposition. And it comes from a position of weakness.
This shouldn't be news to you if you've been here a while.
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Hardly. I know what I said, and I stand by it. You haven't demonstrated that I'm wrong.
The reason people take a stick to Microsoft when they try to bash their competition is that they don't know how to do it properly. It would be nice if they did know how to - it would make for entertaining viewing and hotter rivalry. Unfortunately, it's just not something they have a talent for, and it comes off clumsy and ridiculous. (Like Windows 8, lol.)
butturt! ha
sounds like someones trying to grab at anything to still not make a point, coz it's a freaking iPad... who actually power uses them at this point in time.... no one said ever
sounds like someones trying to grab at anything to still not make a point, coz it's a freaking iPad... who actually power uses them at this point in time.... no one said ever
Tell the same to Mr. Tim Cook, Jobs, and all the others that attacked MS in many Apple keynotes.
It's ok if apple does it. The Apple Enthusiess say so, though they've convinced themselves it's different when Apple does it.
Assuming this is a serious post and you are not someone MS is paying to promote their products. I can think of a few issues here:
1) Tablets are not the best devices for office productivity. If you want to get a lot of writing done, a laptop is far better.
2) The surface is unlikely to be very useable on the plane, on your lap as the keyboard is too flexible. Typing for long periods of time on a touch screen is not fun.
This is the problem with the surface, pretty much it's only advantage over the iPad is that it has Office. But Office on a tablet is not the best way to get work done, a ultra book is a much better option. Now there are some tasks that can be performed better or just as good on a tablet, but then they will be better on the iPad because of the greater number of quality apps.
Positive bashing eh? I'm glad I visited this thread before going to bed. The ridiculousness of what I'm reading here has given me some good laughs.
I might be bashing you, but hey, I'm doing it with a
You're demonizing one side, while canonizing the other. MS didn't make any slights against Tim Cook, didn't say iPad users were mouth breathing morons, didn't say Apple products sucked. They advertised their strengths, while downplaying the competition. Apple's done just as much in the past when they were lagging behind MS in the marketplace, and MS is doing the same now that they're lagging behind Apple.
It's advertising. Nothing less, and nothing more.
If you don't get the difference between focusing on your positives rather clutching at the straws of your competition's negatives, then I really can't help you.
See above. They're different. Anyone in advertising - or politics - will tell you that. Perhaps a refresher in The West Wing might help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_campaigning
Not true. There are tons of people who use their iPad paired with a wireless keyboard to write up reports, stories, and...whatever. A tablet is as productive as anything, provided it's got the proper tools to do it with.
It's what I do, and it works great.
Actually, it'd be just as usable on a plane, if not moreso with a...once again...wireless keyboard. Most planes have a little table built into the seat you can slide out and put your laptop on. Just take the Surface, pull out the little kickstand, pop it on there, and type away with your keyboard in your lap. It'd work just the same with an iPad and the Smartcover.
Though admittedly, the Surface does suck for using in your lap.
I actually seen one the other day while shopping. Was in a store obviously. Yet to see one in the wild.
Anyway first time hands on with it.
All I can say is that "amazingly awesome kickstand" that they like to harp on about would be ripped off by any child under the age of 65 (that's not a typo) as it is so flimsy!
That's the thing. Apple hasn't only just promoted their positives throughout their history. They do now, sure. Most companies in a position of strength tend to abstain from talking about the other guys, positive or negative. But back when, they bashed their competitors plenty of times.
Microsoft isn't doing anything Apple hasn't done themselves. Sega does what Nintendon't.
Positive bashing eh? I'm glad I visited this thread before going to bed. The ridiculousness of what I'm reading here has given me some good laughs.
I might be bashing you, but hey, I'm doing it with a
"Positive bashing" must be as nice as a "positive" kick in your ......
Some day I want to break someones legs while smiling, he/she will feel delighted! I am smiling!!!
This
Apple's software strategy has been pretty consistent. Hype up their first party software during a major hardware release to fuel hardware sales, once they've served their purpose, the sw gets tossed to the background
You seem to now be agreeing with me, because therein lies my point. Apple doesn't get bashed because they don't do it. Regardless of whether they did it before. Microsoft is at a position of weakness, and what they're saying comes from the desperation of that position. It comes across desperate and envious. All of which I'm fairly certain I said from the beginning. If they changed sides - both in terms of weakness/strength and positive/negative - then the reaction would likely flip accordingly (not withstanding the die-hards on either side).
"Positive bashing" must be as nice as a "positive" kick in your ......
Some day I want to break someones legs while smiling, he/she will feel delighted! I am smiling!!!
OLOL UR DUM! EAT A BIG OLE BUTT!
See? If I didn't put my woop emote there, my scathing insult would've totally devastated you emotionally. But since I did, everyone got a good laugh out of it, and we all became bestest friends forever.
Honestly, I think the whole thing is much ado about nothing. I'm not saying Microsoft is being classy here. Far from it. What I am saying is that it's not worth the freakstorms we see every time one of these threads pop up, and Apple is just as guilty of doing the same thing previously.
And if the tables were to switch, I'd think the same thing of diehard MS fans. It's all pretty dumb.
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No u.
If anything, I'm a little freaked out.
This is appropriate...
Difference between you and I... I don't allow myself to be deluded by brand loyalty.
Obviously, you are in the habit of rejecting reality and substituting your own, but If you'd like, I can link you some video's showing Apple doing a lot more than simply highlighting their positives.
Seems like MS saw you coming...
I think Microsoft and quite a few fanboys on both sides have missed the point by a fair margin here.
The iPad IS primarily an entertainment device, most people who use a computer for work DO use a Microsoft based one. This is precisely why Apple sell millions of iPads and the Surface sucks - the majority use their PC for work and any cheap crap from Dell will do fine. When it comes to enjoying yourself you're a lot more likely to splash the cash and buy the luxury items to do that. Many for work drive a white van, but own a BMW for personal use etc.
If you're doing a lot of Word processing/accounting based work then you'll use your work PC or laptop, not your Surface tablet. If you're watching movies or browsing the internet on the move you'll use your iPad, not your Surface tablet. This is exactly where Microsoft got it wrong and fell between the two markets and Apple got it bang on.
The iPad IS primarily an entertainment device, most people who use a computer for work DO use a Microsoft based one. This is precisely why Apple sell millions of iPads and the Surface sucks - the majority use their PC for work and any cheap crap from Dell will do fine. When it comes to enjoying yourself you're a lot more likely to splash the cash and buy the luxury items to do that. Many for work drive a white van, but own a BMW for personal use etc.
If you're doing a lot of Word processing/accounting based work then you'll use your work PC or laptop, not your Surface tablet. If you're watching movies or browsing the internet on the move you'll use your iPad, not your Surface tablet. This is exactly where Microsoft got it wrong and fell between the two markets and Apple got it bang on.
I'm not deluded by brand loyalty at all. Apparently you don't understand the concept of negative campaigning or advertising vs positive campaigning/advertising. If you did, this would have been over 5 or 6 posts ago. Your inability to understand it, and taking your frustration at not getting it out on me, is what has kept this going.
Do a little Googling. They're recognized and acknowledged concepts. You might learn something and possibly increase your IQ.
You look at the iOS app charts and Office substitutes always rank near the top. That tells me there's a definite need for conventional productivity tasks on tablets. Reality is iPads and this current generation of tablets suck at conventional productivity. But instead of admitting iPads suck at conventional productivity, people reframe it by saying tablets are meant to be entertainment devices, so as not to hurt Tim Cook's feelings. 2 sides of the same coin IMO
You could have just said "no" when I asked if you wanted links showing Apple doing negative campaigning instead of dancing around it like you just did here. I get it.
(Comparing Windows and MacOS X)
Windows is Microsoft's livelihood.
MacOS X is Apple's tool to sell expensive hardware.
Apple doesn't have the _goal_ to sell many copies of MacOS X. If that was their goal, Dell / HP / Toshiba / Lenovo and so on would gladly license it, and everyone suffering from Windows 8 would download it immediately.
Windows is Microsoft's livelihood.
MacOS X is Apple's tool to sell expensive hardware.
Apple doesn't have the _goal_ to sell many copies of MacOS X. If that was their goal, Dell / HP / Toshiba / Lenovo and so on would gladly license it, and everyone suffering from Windows 8 would download it immediately.
As far as I remember back in 1990s Apple never gave away for free their office software suit (Claris Works - I had it). Neither their office apps were on the web for free - I mean iWork.com. They didn't have 700 million tablets and smartphones running same, free office software, which is iWork now.
So in a way, the installed base of free office apps for iOS and OS X, made by Apple, is rivaling an installed base of MS Office, which is not exactly free. And moreover, the giving away OS, similar to Android or Chrome, they put pressure on MS which can't do the same thing (they even rely on collected royalties from Android more than Google does). Moreover, one can actually install OS X on almost every PC in the world, especially desktop (notebooks are bit harder but I had it on my Dell notebook). Nothing precludes Apple from releasing more main board or pc card Mac drivers so more and more people assemble their own Macs (i know cause I have i3 3.2 Ghz desktop running Mavericks with Asus P8H61 main board and SSD drive and 8 Gb of RAM plus 1 terabyte hard drive for storage, working marvelous, fast and reliable - best computer I had except a real Mac G3/350 - and with great software selection, especially the new Keynote I just bought is incredible - and I do presentations for living) especially since their own Pro systems are quite expensive now. Either you can choose iPads starting from 299 dollar which work very well for writing, playing and even preparing and doing presentations (and they have already their office software for free - iWork for iOS).
MS won't disappear overnight, just its ecosystem is damaged more and more and main revenue source dry up. At some point, they will have to start to give up unprofitable divisions cause they no longer can milk Office+Windows cow. World has left MS behind. It will be there, but just no one will notice.
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