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Apple vs. Microsoft

The way I see it, both Steve Jobs and Steve Ballmer create products the way they want them to be not really getting the customer involved. The difference is Steve Jobs has a clue, Steve Ball not so much. Steve Jobs has always been a visionary and Ballmer is just an angry person who still thinks Microsoft knows what YOU want.:apple:
 
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anyone remember the HP advert from a few years back...
Two guys climbing a mountain, they stop, whip out a small iPhone-sized HP device and watch their favourite soap on TV... I'm still waiting for that HP device - they never delivered, but they boasted about "HP innovation"

...so I'm glad now I can go up everest and whip out my 24 inch slate and watch 'Countdown' on it... maybe even make a shelter out of it...
 
Fashion Consultant Please

Lordy,

Did anyone in Redmond even consult Ballmer about what he chose to wear. A pudgy, balding old white guy should not come out in public (except for maybe Saturday shopping at the mall) wearing a V-neck sweater over a button down.

Dude - your not cool, not even casual so don't try to be everyman. You come across as a boring loser who doesn't know jack. Either hire somebody to dress you cool or wear a $3000 tailored suit (of which can afford a warehouse of) and come across as the kick-ass corporate professional you are. Devoid of ideas and innovation to be certain, but you know how to accommodate mediocrity like no body's business.
 
Slate versus iSlate?

This is getting tedious and the products haven't even hit the market yet.

I told this to everyone earlier... it's going to be called the iTab. I know this because the guy at the station where I get gas has this brother-in-law who is dating this women from France who gets her hair cut at....

Isn't 6 degrees of separation wonderful!
 
ISOTY Award....

But Mr Jobs wanted to be like IBM - everything from one source. Only that this business model is so 1960s and doesn't work in today's world - except for maybe the iToy market.

And the Ignorant Statement of the Year Award goes to you...

That is probably the most inaccurate statement that has been made in this entire thread. You obviously know nothing about the "vertical manufacturing methods" used by IBM and other companies in previous decades that you are accusing Apple of.

Back in the 60's, 70's, and even into the 80's IBM had a firm hold on every aspect of their business. To the point that they even had captive PCB production facilities that made their own laminate and resins. Almost every thing that went into IBM's products were produced by IBM except the raw materials.

Apple on the other hand is a design company that creates designs and has engineering teams that work closely with their manufacturing partners to make ideas realities. Apple does not own the manufacturing process. But, the ideas and value that they bring to their suppliers has helped to bring other companies desired products to a higher level faster.

Apple is an outsourcing company. The may be vertically integrated in the sense that they have hardware produced and create their own software for it but they are not vertically integrated to the point that they own every aspect of the manufacturing process as IBM did back in the day. Their careful selection of intelligent suppliers and close cooperation with them has resulted in some of the most advanced products coming to market in the last 5 years.

Congratulations Winni! You are the winner...
 
I wonder if they've even built their slate yet. Or maybe they should build a new CEO then build a slate...
 
And the Ignorant Statement of the Year Award goes to you...

That is probably the most inaccurate statement that has been made in this entire thread. You obviously know nothing about the "vertical manufacturing methods" used by IBM and other companies in previous decades that you are accusing Apple of..

Yeah. It seems to be working out pretty well for Apple and its shareholders.
 
Lordy,

Did anyone in Redmond even consult Ballmer about what he chose to wear. A pudgy, balding old white guy should not come out in public (except for maybe Saturday shopping at the mall) wearing a V-neck sweater over a button down.

Dude - your not cool, not even casual so don't try to be everyman. You come across as a boring loser who doesn't know jack. Either hire somebody to dress you cool or wear a $3000 tailored suit (of which can afford a warehouse of) and come across as the kick-ass corporate professional you are. Devoid of ideas and innovation to be certain, but you know how to accommodate mediocrity like no body's business.

This is pretty sad. Out of all the things you can attack Ballmer for, you go after his clothes? If that isn't a commentary that Apple fans can be major trend bigots, I don't know what is.
 
That Keynote just proves how out of touch Microsoft. First the tablets, Winblows 7 on a small touch screen, and Ballmer fumbling trying to start the demo just proved how horrible it will be. This is why Apple products do well, instead of just porting the same OS around to each device they create sleek UI's that work for the device, Win 7 on a small screen with tiny buttons and crap doesn't work.
Next MediaRoom, while yes on the surface it looks nice and the Windows Mobile integration looked snappy(I'm sure in the real world it won't work the seamless) but the downfall is its up to a local service provider to offer MediaRoom. Oh and the 4 DVR programs at once nothing special, and not going to be useful as consumers will need to invest a couple bucks in Cablecards and what not.
Gaming is really the only thing they have going. Natal will be interesting even just for the menu control aspects, I don't think many of us will be playing games with it, but using it to control my DVD and other Xbox Application things is pretty neat.

Sidenote, the blackout was comical and I liked how they couldn't show the "Bg screen with a PC, cause the tube blew up" really what age are we living in that a tube blows up from a little power outage? For being such a former MS fanboy, I wish I saw the light sooner.
 
Over the past few years MS has seemed like a doll that's lost its stuffing. This confirms it.

WTH has MS been doing for the past year??

LOL, even though Apple wasn't at CES, they seemed to have set the agenda. In fact, Apple has been setting the tech agenda for several years now.
 
Don't put words into my mouth..

The straw man is the staple of the MacRumors troll.

And it is Steve Jobs who STILL completely dismisses the entire netbook market -- "we don't know how to build a device for less than 500 USD that does not completely suck". Well, Asus, MSI, Dell and many others actually do know how to build a device for that money that performs nicely AND that is being sold like crazy.

Enjoy those razor-thin margins.

Since Microsoft is still the undefeated #1 corporation in the IT software industry, Steve Ballmer must be doing a lot of things right.

Fortunately when you have corporate IT by the shorthairs, you can run your business on cruise control. A business plan so foolproof, even Steve Ballmer can manager it!

But Microsoft mainly cares for the corporate business and the game sector, while Apple builds surf boards and photo and music libraries for casual home users who neither play nor really work with their computers. You can hardly compare those two companies and their market niches.

You're right, of course. No Mac user "really works" with their computers. Only Windows is capable of "real work." :rolleyes:

Enjoy your delusion. Nice to see the Redmond propaganda ray is still working to perfection.

A pudgy, balding old white guy should not come out in public (except for maybe Saturday shopping at the mall) wearing a V-neck sweater over a button down.

It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood! Hi neighbor!

Hey, at least the sweater covered the sweat rings.

and come across as the kick-ass corporate professional you are.

Um, aren't we talking about Steve Ballmer?

Devoid of ideas and innovation to be certain, but you know how to accommodate mediocrity like no body's business.

Everybody's gotta have a talent. Mediocrity is Microsoft's.
 
This says it all. As in "subliminal."


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It's what happens when you have ZERO control over the message. That's right MS, you have to *control* things - what goes in, what comes out. Take a page from Apple. Like what you usually try to do.



Hahahaha, look at all the wasted space with that thick border.

Isn't it so your hands/fingers can hold a non-touch area without accidentally inputting touch actions?
 
This says it all. As in "subliminal."

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It's what happens when you have ZERO control over the message. That's right MS, you have to *control* things - what goes in, what comes out. Take a page from Apple.

I was truly amazed at the inadvertent advertising Apple received at this 'unveiling.'

Clear as day - Apple, perfectly centered, proudly displayed between two clasped hands, represented, in the limelight, no less.

Without even attending CES, Apple gets free publicity once again, and top billing, at that!
 
I was truly amazed at the inadvertent advertising Apple received at this 'unveiling.'

Clear as day - Apple, perfectly centered, proudly displayed between two clasped hands, represented, in the limelight, no less.

Without even attending CES, Apple gets free publicity once again, and top billing, at that!

Exactly.

Yes, Steve, we know Twilight is "cool" and you're trying to be "cool" and capture the younger (as in 15-17 year old girl) crowd, but didn't some bright bulb on your reveal team kinda notice the apple? And the apple displayed in a very flattering position at that?

Oh wait, these are probably the same handlers that for some reason allow Macbooks to be displayed in a not-so-hidden fashion during MS interviews, Windows 7 keynotes, etc. Now I get it.
 
Oh wait, these are probably the same handlers that for some reason allow Macbooks to be displayed in a not-so-hidden fashion during MS interviews, Windows 7 keynotes, etc. Now I get it.

Not to mention, top billing exposure in the Lap-top Hunter Ads.

All of this is way too conspicuous and recurrent for coincidence - surely, some members, high in the rankings of the MS PR group, are Apple loyalists. :)
 
MDN is usually ultra-caustic in its remarks, but very often, eerily correct.

This is another example, in light of last night's circus act.

MacDailyNews Take:

Yawnfest as usual. Someone forgot to provide Fester with some content to go along with all that filler. The amount of nothingness they have to show for all their billions of dollars and 93,000 employees astounds even us. Microsoft is a company bereft of interesting ideas coasting on past intellectual property thefts and the benefits of largely-unpunished monopoly abuse that's headed by a clueless buffoon who once got a very fortunate dorm assignment. The good news is, of course, that The Dark Ages of Personal Computing are rapidly coming to a close. Enjoy the renaissance!

Our customary toast: May Steve Ballmer remain Microsoft CEO for as long as it takes!


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This is pretty sad. Out of all the things you can attack Ballmer for, you go after his clothes? If that isn't a commentary that Apple fans can be major trend bigots, I don't know what is.

Well, he does have a point. The overall impression is... High seniority government worker teetering on retirement but looking to save up as many sick leave hours as possible so he can get two years of salary continuation without working... That's what his clothes say about him. Clothes say a lot about a person, trendy or not.

Of course, Schiller wears some pretty bad 80's preppie looking clothes. So it isn't just Ballmer.
 
Ugh! Why does Microsoft let him touch a mic? Microsoft could come out with a total game changer, like a computer than can read thoughts and do things before you ask it to, but Ballmer could make it seem so droll and unexciting not even the biggest MS fanboy could muster more than a meh.

He's just not a good presenter, granted comparing him to Jobs who could get on stage, sell you a plate of poop and have you asking for seconds, expensive poop at that, probably isn't fair. But even as a CEO it seems Microsoft could be in much better hands than this guy.

He's almost cringe-worthy to watch there and, not that the world needs to be about beauty and whatnot but he's not pleasant to look at either, one can't help think "man, this guy has got to seriously work on his diet."

The HP Slate thing I thought seemed kinda cool, but not in Ballmer's hands as much.

And yeah, I tend to concur with others, his rehashing of existing MS products which, honestly, are good, but great? I mean, it felt like a pandering sales pitch and one that either everyone has already heard or the way he does it was a really bad infomercial. When I read the reactions of even the very Microsoft-paid-for and/or usually fanboyism petty much all doing what Apple fanboys do after some of Jobs keynotes where, similar, he's got nothing to really say or present, doing the "um, that was it?" It means perhaps Microsoft would be better keeping Monkey Boy in the cage and just manning their booth with more competent spokespeople.
 
Over the past few years MS has seemed like a doll that's lost its stuffing. This confirms it.

Sorry, I can't remember a time when M$ was ever a doll, or anything else anyone or anything would want to play with. It's more like an annoying uncle with a repertoire of bad jokes who keeps retelling them every Thanksgiving thinking they are fresh.
 
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